Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture

Mike Pettit
Mike Pettit Member Posts: 1,041 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I am mulling over buying this resource as there is a pretty good offer on elsewhere but I would like to see how people value these volumes

http://www.logos.com/product/8100/ancient-christian-commentary-on-scripture

One question that I have is how different are they to Catena Aurea (apart from the obvious breadth differnce i.e. Gospels v whole bible)?

 

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  • Mike S.
    Mike S. Member Posts: 477 ✭✭

    Check out this thread and I think it will give you what you're looking for. 

    http://community.logos.com/forums/p/32386/241246.aspx

    There is also a great series overview and preview here: http://www.ivpress.com/accs/

  • Ronald Quick
    Ronald Quick Member Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭
  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    I may be in the minority, but I have gotten little if anything from it. Knowing what I do now I would make it a third tier purchase (an extra you can happily live without).

    As I said, perhaps a minority view and I haven't sampled every volume so may have missed the gems. The promise far exceeds the delivery AFAIK.

    As far as Catena VS ACCS, they are a bit difficult to compare because they approach the task somewhat differently. For example ACCS begins each chapter in the gospels with an overview of the chapter citing (usually briefly) a number of writers. Catena does not do this. ACCS often takes smaller pericopes which can be helpful locating information on a specific verse.

    In the body of the exposition, Catena typically cites more authors (sometimes many more). Some of these might be cited in the chapter introduction in ACCS, but not all of them. For example In Luke 4:9-13, Catena has citations from eight authors, ACCS from four. They share quotations from Ambrose and Origen, but Catena adds Athanasius, Chrysostom, Cyril of Alexandria, Gregory of Nyssa, Theophylact, and Maximus. ACCS adds Ephrem the Syrian and Prudentius.

    There is overlap, but for the gospels I'd prefer Catena.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • George Somsel
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    I am mulling over buying this resource as there is a pretty good offer on elsewhere but I would like to see how people value these volumes

    http://www.logos.com/product/8100/ancient-christian-commentary-on-scripture

    One question that I have is how different are they to Catena Aurea (apart from the obvious breadth differnce i.e. Gospels v whole bible)?

     


    I don't know about the ACCS, but I managed to get Oecumenius' commentary on the Apocalypse and Andreas of Cappadocia's commentary in one volume in what I think is a related series of Ancient Christian Texts for Kindle (I also got Hoskier's The Complete Commentary of Oecumenius on the Apocalypse in print [Greek]).  I'm glad to have them from an historical perspective.  I would imagine that the ACCS would be good for historical background as well.

    george
    gfsomsel

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,606

    I am mulling over buying this resource as there is a pretty good offer on elsewhere but I would like to see how people value these volumes

    http://www.logos.com/product/8100/ancient-christian-commentary-on-scripture

    One question that I have is how different are they to Catena Aurea (apart from the obvious breadth differnce i.e. Gospels v whole bible)?

    I often recommend ACCS (or St. Vladimir's Press Popular Patristics) as a gentle introduction to people with no familiarity with the Early Church Fathers. The Catena I actually use for study.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Jacob Hantla
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    I may be in the minority, but I have gotten little if anything from it. Knowing what I do now I would make it a third tier purchase (an extra you can happily live without)


    Mark would you mind posting (or emailing me) an excerpt on the commentary for a verse...perhaps 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 since that's what I'm studying now. I'd like to see how the information is laid out.


    Jacob Hantla
    Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
    gbcaz.org

  • Mike Pettit
    Mike Pettit Member Posts: 1,041 ✭✭

    I phoned Logos and they could not go below the list price, so I purchased the discs from a third party at a hefty discount. I will have to go through the palava of liscensing with Libronix before using them on Logos 4. 

    The Ipad compatibility swung it for me and I do find it useful to see what the historic Churches view is rather than to be follow the modern trends without even knowing that is what you are doing. 

  • Ronald Quick
    Ronald Quick Member Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭





    6:19 A Temple of the Holy Spirit
     
    A TEMPLE AND AN ALTAR. ANONYMOUS SYRIAC AUTHOR: The body and heart in which our Lord dwells—also because the Spirit resides there—is in truth a temple and an altar, seeing that our Lord resides there. BOOK OF STEPS 12.2.24
     
    THE BODY NOT A PRISON BUT A TEMPLE. TERTULLIAN: In the Platonic view, the body is a prison; in that of Paul, it is the temple of God because it is in Christ. ON THE SOUL 54.5.25
     
    YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN. AMBROSIASTER: Paul said this with the intention that we should keep our bodies uncontaminated, so that the Holy Spirit may dwell in them. COMMENTARY ON PAUL’S EPISTLES.26
     
    CORRUPTING THE TEMPLE. SEVERIAN OF GABALA: The fornicator is also guilty of impiety, for by doing harm to his body he has corrupted the temple of the Holy Spirit. PAULINE COMMENTARY FROM THE GREEK CHURCH.27




    6:20 Glorify God in the Body
     
    BRING NOTHING DEFILED INTO THE TEMPLE. CYPRIAN: Let us glorify God and bear him in a pure and spotless body and with more perfect observance. Let those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ submit to the rule of our redeemer with the absolute obedience of servants. Let us take care not to bring anything unclean or defiled into the temple of God, lest he be offended and leave the abode where he dwells. THE DRESS OF VIRGINS 2.28
     
    BOUGHT WITH A PRICE. AMBROSIASTER: Someone who has been bought does not have the power to make decisions, but the person who bought him does. And because we were bought for a very high price, we ought to serve our master all the more, so that the offense from which he has bought our release may not turn us back over to death. COMMENTARY ON PAUL’S EPISTLES.29
     
    WE ARE NOT OUR OWN. CHRYSOSTOM: What is Paul trying to prove when he says that we are not our own? He wants to secure us against sin and against following the improper desires of the mind. We have many improper desires, but we must constrain them, and we can do so. If we could not, there would be no point in exhorting us like this. Paul does not say that we are under compulsion but that we have been bought— and bought with a great price, reminding us of the way in which our salvation was obtained. HOMILIES ON THE EPISTLES OF PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS 18.3.30


    Bray, G. L. (1999). 1-2 Corinthians. Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture NT 7. (58). Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press.

     

    Hope this helps.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    In addition to what Ron posted, there is a section heading for 6:12-20:

    6:12-20 RIGHT AND WRONG
     
    OVERVIEW: “All things are lawful” does not imply a new slavery to desires (CHRYSOSTOM), lack of self-discipline (CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA) or pretending that no choices are wrong (THEODORET OF CYR). Nor does it mean anything that might go against natural law. The rational soul is given to rule the body and draw it toward its true spiritual ends (AMBROSIASTER). Having become members of the body that has Christ as its head, we must not defile the body or use it for purposes for which it was not created (CHRYSOSTOM). God finally brings to nothing what is intended primarily for the stomach (CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA). To worship food is to substitute one’s belly for God (NOVATIAN). If one belongs to Christ, one ought to know better than to indulge in sexual sins (CHRYSOSTOM). Treat the body as if it is risen with Christ’s body (CHRYSOSTOM, OECUMENIUS). In joining oneself to a prostitute, one becomes one body with her (AMBROSIASTER). One thereby sins both against his own body and against his wife, because the two are one flesh (OECUMENIUS).
    As the soul of Jesus clung to God and became one spirit with him, so does the soul of faith cling to light and truth (ORIGEN). To be united to the Lord is to become one spirit with him (AMBROSIASTER). Christians understand that the body is a temple, not a prison (TERTULLIAN). Bring nothing defiled into this temple (NOVATIAN, SEVERIAN OF GABALA). Keep your body uncontaminated. The fornicator not only defiles his entire body, sinning against his own body and against his soul (AMBROSIASTER), but also compounds the sins of others (PELAGIUS). We who have been bought with so great a price (AMBROSIASTER, CHRYSOSTOM) must be aware of the deviousness of temptation (THEODORET OF CYR).


    Bray, G. L. (1999). 1-2 Corinthians. Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture NT 7. (55). Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,883

    Thank you. Are they linked well to the original sources?

    Jacob Hantla
    Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
    gbcaz.org

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Are they linked well to the original sources?

    When the resource is available in Logos, many in the passage you asked for are not.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    One of my most valued resources. A wealth of knowledge. Invaluable.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley