Per the mockup here, can we please move the social networking stuff on the order review page over to the left column?
Seriously, it looks like I bought this from Facebook or twitter. (HT Alan Macgregor)
Yup. And could it be made a wee bit smaller?
Yes please, or make them much smaller. At least make a printer-specific style sheet that excludes those page elements when printing.
To piggyback on this I don't have enough theological nerd friends to bother tweeting or statusing
"Hey I just got The Antithesis between Symbolism and Revelation by Kuyper on Logos!"
I can only picture the ensuing conversation (if interested)
[Friend] "wait! did you just say you got Kuyper on Logos?????"
[Me] "yeah caught a great deal through their pre-pub pricing!"
[Friend] "you said you only paid $XX.XX for it. I'm going to have to pay double that"
[Me] "Yeah isn't it great!"
[Friend] "...so can I just borrow yours?
[Me] (*sigh*)
The last time I tweeted what I bought it was the subscription to Bible Study Mag and I quickly tweeted an apology to my contacts (lol)
Yes, I think that the tweeting/posting of one's purchases is a somewhat boorish behavior. I'm wishing Logos wouldn't encourage it.
Seriously, it looks like I bought this from Facebook or twitter. (HT Alan Macgregor) Yup. And could it be made a wee bit smaller?
Couldn't agree more.
Yes, I think that the tweeting/posting of one's purchases is a somewhat boorish behavior. I'm wishing Logos wouldn't encourage it.Boy am I glad I read this before hitting that tweet button.
I'll give an exception to anything by Kuyper. And Rick Brannan. And Turretin, if we ever get it.
As someone pointed out in another thread, CSS provides style specifications that let you indicate the target media. Thus you can include Facebook / Twitter stuff on-screen (though smaller and not front-and-center would be nice) and exclude them altogether when printing. This is done on sites all over the web.
Donnie
We have a print CSS file coming very soon.
...the tweeting/posting of one's purchases ... I'm wishing Logos wouldn't encourage it.
[Y] +1
I agree. It very much disturbs me that social networking has begun to cause us to allow our friendships to be co-opted and monetized by external forces. The theory is that what our friends “Like” will influence what we buy. Of course it is nothing new to ask our friends for product recommendations on occasion, but in the past it was our choice, and it didn’t dominate our relationships. Now it is becoming the driving motive behind these “free” websites like Facebook that we think exist purely for our social enjoyment or convenience. They are making it fun and easy to recommend products to each other, so people's friendships revolve more and more around consumer activity and less and less around friendly dialogue.
Amen!
[Y] Good suggestion, to "sideline" the ads for other social networking sites.
It very much disturbs me that social networking has begun to cause us to allow our friendships to be co-opted and monetized by external forces.
Rosie
That's why I have never visited Facebook or Twitter or the like. I can count my friends on the fingers of one hand, whilst my acquaintances are myriad. I guard my friends, and their privacy, jealously. I may tell them, usually face-to-face, about something I have, but I would never recommend that they buy it. 2 John 12 has it right.
Every blessing
Alan
Very well said, Rosie. I tried Face Book for a time, but soon became disturbed with people sharing with the entire planet what they would not dare say in person. I closed my account and have avoided all other such networks.
2 John 12 has it right.
Yes, but modern society has become "I won't say this face-to-face, but I will publish it for everyone to read." It seems that people more and more seek to avoid personal contact.
The last time I tweeted what I bought it was the subscription to Bible Study Mag and I quickly tweeted an apology to my contacts (lol) Yes, I think that the tweeting/posting of one's purchases is a somewhat boorish behavior. I'm wishing Logos wouldn't encourage it.
Thank you. . . my thoughts exactly [Y][Y]
It very much disturbs me that social networking has begun to cause us to allow our friendships to be co-opted and monetized by external forces. Very well said, Rosie. I tried Face Book for a time, but soon became disturbed with people sharing with the entire planet what they would not dare say in person
Very well said, Rosie. I tried Face Book for a time, but soon became disturbed with people sharing with the entire planet what they would not dare say in person
Indeed, the boundaries between public and private have become blurred, and that is unfortunate. Young people in particular tend to not understand the value of privacy. They post compromising photos of themselves for all to see, and then are shocked when it affects their in-person relationships. It's as if they see their online persona as completely disconnected from who they really are. Kids have always done stupid things and bragged about them, but in the pre-Internet days, the extent of their embarrassment over it once they came back to their senses was relatively limited to the people in their own high school or town, and their stupidities would be gratefully forgotten before long. Now with the rapid ability for videos to “go viral,” a kid can achieve sudden unwanted national celebrity or infamy. Some are able to handle it better than others and figure out a way to make money off it (but I question whether that is going to help their character at all). Some end up enduring harassment and derision and needing psychiatric care. Some even end up committing suicide over it. I think we adults need to do a better job of educating young people about the consequences of sharing stuff online, making public what should remain private. Either that or perhaps it’s a generational sea change that we old fogies are not going to be able to adjust to but that sooner or later everyone will accept as normative and no big deal. However I believe in the innate sinfulness of humans, and people will continue to do hurtful things to each other no matter how “accepted” the lack of privacy ever becomes in our culture. A recent article on cyber-bullying put it well, “hate spreads like a virus.”
Incidentally, what I wrote in my previous post comes almost verbatim from an article of mine on the erosion of privacy in an online world that was just published yesterday in Comment Magazine (a Christian publication aimed mostly at college students).
Your abilities and accomplishments continue to amaze me. [:O]
Pondering recommending this thread on Facebook/Twitter just for irony's sake...
Resurrecting a seriously old thread in order to report progress:...
It looks like the social networking junk is gone! THANK YOU!
Resurrecting a seriously old thread in order to report progress:... It looks like the social networking junk is gone! THANK YOU!
Yay! [Y]
It doesn't seem to have worked in mine yet! [:(]
Alan, it looks like they haven't yet fixed it for the case when you review the order receipt for something you'd previously ordered (your order for Leupold went through automatically, as it appears you got it via pre-pub). It looks like Thomas was testing the case of actually going through the steps of putting through an order.
As for me, I got this funky overlapping order summary when I went to look at my Leopold order (can't reproduce it now):
Interesting! Since I've got no less than 4 orders in the last week, I checked:
EDIT: Btw, I've also seen images like yours occasionally.
I hope that they get it sorted soon for all orders – past and present, direct purchase and prepub.
I need an attributable receipt for HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) for income tax purposes. As matters stand the current layout just won't cut it with the taxman! [:(]
As matters stand the current layout just won't cut it with the taxman!
I have the same problem. An e-mail to CS should get you some nice invoices, though. I got some for the first 2-3 purchases I made, and one of these days I'll e-mail them about the ones I've done since.
Furthermore, forcing them to manually look up my invoices and mail them to me also has the added advantage of (hopefully) making them realize that it's going to be a lot cheaper in the long run to make the webpage look and print like it should, so that you and I and others like us can do the work ourselves.
As a stopgap you can change this manually using Google Chrome or Firefox+firebug.
On Chrome....
I hope that they get it sorted soon for all orders – past and present, direct purchase and prepub. I need an attributable receipt for HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) for income tax purposes. As matters stand the current layout just won't cut it with the taxman!
I need an attributable receipt for HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) for income tax purposes. As matters stand the current layout just won't cut it with the taxman!
Alan is there a way you could submit all your receipts to the HMRC by way of a twitter tweet or a facebook status??? [^o)] ...[:P]
As someone pointed out in another thread, CSS provides style specifications that let you indicate the target media. Thus you can include Facebook / Twitter stuff on-screen (though smaller and not front-and-center would be nice) and exclude them altogether when printing. This is done on sites all over the web. We have a print CSS file coming very soon.
No.
You don't.
Sorry guys, but this is a very long standing problem, and it just get's worse. If you can code a new section for advertising, you can code a decent receipt in less time.
Behold the current receipt/order summary page:
You have finally moved the social networking stuff.
But only because you've replaced it with a massive header advertisement for your applications. (seriously?)
Sigh.
I don't mind the advertisements but come on, we need a decent tax receipt.
Some of us are printing these out for receipts for the IRS or other relevant tax agencies.
Pretty please? A decent receipt would be excellent.
If I were a betting man Logos is the most popular Bible software, 2 to 1, among IRS workers and CPAs due to the amount of energy Logos focuses their way!
With the recent postcard campaign hitting users already owning advertised base packages, Logos user-ship amongst mail carriers and trash truck drivers is steeply increasing! [:O] *
Sorry guys, but this is a very long standing problem, and it just get's worse. If you can code a new section for advertising, you can code a decent receipt in less time. Behold the current receipt/order summary page: You have finally moved the social networking stuff. But only because you've replaced it with a massive header advertisement for your applications. (seriously?) Sigh. I don't mind the advertisements but come on, we need a decent tax receipt. Some of us are printing these out for receipts for the IRS or other relevant tax agencies. WE NEED a Logos logo identifying where it comes from. Or even simply change the wording from"Thank you for your order" to "Thank you for your order from Logos Bible Software". PLEASE!!!!! put a collapse button next to your enjoy the free apps section, you know just like the one's below under "download instructions for...".make it expanded by default of you want, but I /we really need to shrink this so we can print a decent receipt for tax purposes. Follow the arrows to the top green circle to see what I mean. Pretty please? A decent receipt would be excellent.
Thomas
I couldn't agree more! My accountant is going to have coniptions when he sees my Logos receipts. … and I shudder to think what HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) are going to make of them. I hope they aren't going to ask me to produce "proper receipts".
What a monstrosity!
Logos: would your own accounting department accept something that looked like that? I doubt it!
I have a contact I e-mail now and then to have her mail me proper invoices of everything I've bought since the last time. I've been hoping that sooner or later Logos would figure out that it would be much cheaper for them if I could get those invoices myself (either from the purchase e-mail or from the order page) rather than having to take up the time of a real live employee -- but so far that doesn't seem to have sunk in...
How hard can it be to automatically attach that perfectly nice invoice directly to the purchase e-mail?
I agree.
As a work around, you can use AdBlock Plus to rid the receipt page of those sections (it works on FireFox, and also Chrome now?):
I created these filters using the Element Hiding Helper (an add-on to AdBlock Plus), but they should work fine if you enter them in directly as new filters:
logos.com##.enjoylogos.com##.share-this
The "enjoy" one hides the section at the top, and the "share-this" filter hides the social networking buttons.
Todd
Thanks for the workaround. Unfortunately I use Safari on my Mac, but, that said, surely I shouldn't have to do that.
If I find that my receipts are not acceptable to HMRC (US IRS) then I'll have less to spend on Logos resources this financial year. That, for me is a lose-lose situation. I lose since I can't afford to buy as many Logos resources, because I can't claim them against tax; and Logos lose because they don't sell me as many resources this year. [:(][:(]
Alan [:'(]
Surely you should not. Hopefully the mere suggestion that an ad blocker would be needed will be added incentive for Logos to fix the problem.
(You know, you could install Firefox or Chrome, if only for printing receipts. )
Or...
Logos could just code up a proper receipt page.
Alright, so I just looked into this, and while I can't say anything about the delay or reasoning, I can say that this was coincidentally moved just last week to the top of the list for our web dev team to do.
I know it may be a stretch to believe that, but, well....it's true. [;)]
Thanks, Thomas, for the reminder. I just wanted to let you all know we hadn't forgotten about it and have already bumped it up in priority, ahead of other things our [finite] team is working on. Stay tuned. Should be done shortly.
As a work around, you can use AdBlock Plus to rid the receipt page of those sections
Not good enough. For one thing I don't want my e-mail address on the receipt (or the download instructions for that matter). For another I do want Logos' address (or rather the tax authorities do).
If I find that my receipts are not acceptable to HMRC (US IRS) then I'll have less to spend on Logos resources this financial year.
Like I said, just contact CS or accounting. They'll mail you nice ones (the same as you get if you order CD's, if you've done that). If you want, I've got a good direct e-mail address to someone who's extremely effective. I tend to get the first one within 5 minutes, and then one or two a minute until she's done.
EDIT: AdBlock works on Safari as well; I just tried. Looks better, but like I said, not good enough.
As a work around, you can use AdBlock Plus to rid the receipt page of those sections Not good enough. For one thing I don't want my e-mail address on the receipt (or the download instructions for that matter). For another I do want Logos' address (or rather the tax authorities do).
I never promised good-enough. [:D] I don't think "work-arounds" ever are.
FYI, you can remove the download instructions with this rule: logos.com###ctl00_CenterColumn_divDownloadInstructions
And you can remove the email address with this one: logos.com##STRONGHOWEVER, that rule isn't specific enough for general use, and it will affect other pages on the Logos site including the forums (it removes any text that is tagged as "STRONG"), so you'd want to turn it off when you're not printing receipts.
Anyhow, I hope Logos reads your requirements on what should not (and should) print out.
I never promised good-enough. I don't think "work-arounds" ever are.
That we can certainly agree on! Wish Logos did too...
Unfortunately I spoke too fast. The left column's no problem, but removing the top ads destroys other Logos pages as well. This is what my prepub page looked like afterwards:
[:(]
Had to return those ugly ads. [:'(]
If they just attached the invoice they already have on their systems, I'd be perfectly fine.
Alright, so I just looked into this, and while I can't say anything about the delay or reasoning, I can say that this was coincidentally moved just last week to the top of the list for our web dev team to do. I know it may be a stretch to believe that, but, well....it's true. Thanks, Thomas, for the reminder. I just wanted to let you all know we hadn't forgotten about it and have already bumped it up in priority, ahead of other things our [finite] team is working on. Stay tuned. Should be done shortly.
I know it may be a stretch to believe that, but, well....it's true.
Thanks for checking in to it Stephen. Finite teams are just that. And I wouldn't have been upset (much) if Phil hadn't said 8 months ago that a CSS file was coming soon; and if suddenly a new feature hadn't appeared on the page.
Thanks for that I'll do just that if the page fix isn't ready for when I need to have my tax return in.
I can't remember now if this is brand new as of yesterday or if this has been out for longer, but the Order Summary now has social sharing buttons moved to the sidebar. The print CSS will be coming out in the next few iterations. We almost had it ready to roll out yesterday but noticed a few broken elements under certain conditions. Thank you for your patience!
Ryan
Thank you for the update Ryan.
I'm grateful for the work being done.
As usual, you can go to your past orders at https://www.logos.com/user/orders and get a fresh copy for your records. In many cases, you won't see the "Enjoy on any of our apps" messaging. (At least, on many of my old orders I don't see it.) The print css will be coming within the next few weeks, so you can still wait for that if you like.
As usual, you can go to your past orders at https://www.logos.com/user/orders and get a fresh copy for your records. In many cases, you won't see the "Enjoy on any of our apps" messaging. (At least, on many of my old orders I don't see it.)
FWIW, every old order I looked at in my past orders had the large "Enjoy" section. (just checked them)
We should have the print css coming in the next few weeks. I know many of you have waited for this for quite a long time.
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