Gluttony a sin in the bible?

Dominick Sela said:

I think you can look at 1 Cor 15:19, where St. Paul says the life he has chosen is pitiable if there is no resurrection. He goes on to say in 1 Cor 15:32 "If the dead are not raised let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die".

There is a good discussion of this in Desiring God, Meditations of a Christian Hedonist; he makes the point that gluttony is the alternative to resurrection.

????? [^o)] I'm trying to make sense of this, but it doesn't compute.

To me, one of the most important verses regarding this subject is Deut. 32:15. Related is Deut. 31:20. Deut. 32:16-17 shows the result.

One of the other verses that speaks to this is 1 Cor. 6:18. This kind of indulgence is also a sin against the body. Of course, by "body" I mean not just the physical body, but also the body of Messiah. Therefore, this also ties in with 1 Cor. 11:27.

What is interesting is that YHWH says that those who are worthy of blessing will eat the fat of the land, and then they will be punished for succumbing to indulgence. This concept also ties into the ban on eating fat. There are spiritual and prophetic principles that are much more germain than physical over-indulgence, but the physical issues aren't unimportant. They are just exemplar of the greater issues.

Peter Cellini said:

George Somsel said:

This thread shows that we need The Joy of Cooking by Rombauer and Julia Child's books. 

 

This thread proves that we care more about fun and food than we do about lost souls...instead of preaching to the lost we share recipies with them...

If you say so Grinch.  How was Christmas this year?  Did you manage to steal it?

Peter Cellini said:

I don't celebrate christmas, since it means "Christ's Mass" and that popish re-sacrificing denies the one-time, sufficient atonment made by Christ.

I understand, Grinch.  [:S]

8 In that region there were shepherds living in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. ⁹ Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. ¹⁰ But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for see—I am bringing you good news of great joy for all the people: ¹¹ to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is the Messiah, the Lord. ¹² This will be a sign for you: you will find a child wrapped in bands of cloth and lying in a manger." ¹³ And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying,

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and on earth peace among those whom he favors!"
"Glory to God in the highest heaven,

Peter Cellini said:

George Somsel said:

The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen, as it had been told them.

 

 

I don't see anything in those verses about re-sacrifices. 

BTW, I glorify and praise God for the saviour every day... 

I dont' need pagan rituals and blasphemous masses to prove my love for Christ.

I also don't see anything in the concept of Christmas which has to do with "resacrifice."  The name of the service comes from the closing words Ite, missa est, "Go, it is the dismissal."  The Mass (if you choose to call it such) is simply the celebration of the Eucharist.  Your problem is that you are the posterboy for the image of the Presbyterians as dour.  You should learn to live in joy. 

For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Rom 14.17

Peter Cellini said:

Does the word Transubstantiation ring any bells?  I think even the episcopal church used to understad these things

How is the concept of transubstantiation involved in celebrating the birth of our Lord?  You seem to be including a lot of factors which aren't necessarily implicit in it.

Peter Cellini said:

Wow, now you really hurt my feelings...You can imagine I've been called worse...

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.

Yes, poor little martyr.  [:P]

BTW:  We'll have nun of that—or is it "none"?

Peter Cellini said:

Read some systematic theology books (plug for Logos) and get back to me...

I would be willing to wager that I have read more theology than you—after all, I'll be 39 on my next birthday.  Learn to enjoy the world which God has created for our life.  When you do that, get back to me.

Peter Cellini said:

 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Obviously you don't understand the passage.  The world was created for the sake of man.  The same word does not always signify the same idea.  In 1 Jn 2:15 it signifies the world system opposed to God.

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Bless the Lord, O my soul.     O Lord my God, you are very great.     You are clothed with honor and majesty,  2 wrapped in light as with a garment.     You stretch out the heavens like a tent,  3 you set the beams of your chambers on the waters,     you make the clouds your chariot,     you ride on the wings of the wind,  4 you make the winds your messengers,     fire and flame your ministers.  5 You set the earth on its foundations,     so that it shall never be shaken.  6 You cover it with the deep as with a garment;     the waters stood above the mountains.  7 At your rebuke they flee;     at the sound of your thunder they take to flight.  8 They rose up to the mountains, ran down to the valleys     to the place that you appointed for them.  9 You set a boundary that they may not pass,     so that they might not again cover the earth. 10 You make springs gush forth in the valleys;      they flow between the hills, 11 giving drink to every wild animal;      the wild asses quench their thirst. 12 By the streams the birds of the air have their habitation;      they sing among the branches. 13 From your lofty abode you water the mountains;      the earth is satisfied with the fruit of your work. 14 You cause the grass to grow for the cattle,      and plants for people to use,     to bring forth food from the earth, 15 and wine to gladden the human heart,      oil to make the face shine,      and bread to strengthen the human heart. 16 The trees of the Lord are watered abundantly,      the cedars of Lebanon that he planted. 17 In them the birds build their nests;      the stork has its home in the fir trees. 18 The high mountains are for the wild goats;      the rocks are a refuge for the coneys. 19 You have made the moon to mark the seasons;      the sun knows its time for setting. 20 You make darkness, and it is night,      when all the animals of the forest come creeping out. 21 The young lions roar for their prey,       seeking their food from God. 22 When the sun rises, they withdraw      and lie down in their dens. 23 People go out to their work      and to their labor until the evening. 24 O Lord, how manifold are your works!      In wisdom you have made them all;      the earth is full of your creatures. 25 Yonder is the sea, great and wide,      creeping things innumerable are there,      living things both small and great. 26 There go the ships,      and Leviathan that you formed to sport in it. 27 These all look to you      to give them their food in due season; 28 when you give to them, they gather it up;      when you open your hand, they are filled with good things. 29 When you hide your face, they are dismayed;      when you take away their breath, they die      and return to their dust. 30 When you send forth your spirit, they are created;      and you renew the face of the ground. 31 May the glory of the Lord endure forever;      may the Lord rejoice in his works— 32 who looks on the earth and it trembles,      who touches the mountains and they smoke. 33 I will sing to the Lord as long as I live;      I will sing praise to my God while I have being. 34 May my meditation be pleasing to him,      for I rejoice in the Lord. 35 Let sinners be consumed from the earth,      and let the wicked be no more.      Bless the Lord, O my soul.      Praise the Lord!