Say What? Libronix no longer supported????

Emile ... download my credits and move on.

Kent Hendricks said:

Two quick updates:

 

1. The "Download Instructions for Previous Versions" is once again available on the Order Summary page. There, you'll find the button that unlocks and downloads the files, just as before. Note, however, that this section appears for all products, including new products that don't work in L3. (This is why we removed it site-wide.) In the future, it will only appear for relevant products.

Hmm, just a thought..., it's ok to include new products that don't work in L3 in the 'Download Instructions for Previous Versions' option, but in such cases tag the new products as 'L4 Only' and grey out the unlock and download button. That means all other product versions are downloadable from a script update, except for the newer L4 files. Just like catching fish in a filter net, let through the previous version (L3) files and hold the tagged L4's.

This should only be a minor change to the web order summary page and hopefully would keep everybody happy. It seemed a bit draconian to chop out the 'Download Instructions for Previous Versions' to avoid unworkable L4 downloads on other versions.

Of the seven prepubs shipped today six of them came with a download link for Libronix 3 versions. I wonder how many are left in the pipeline?

Milford Charles Murray said:

I want to assure you that many, many of us long-term (and I'm sure short-term, also) Logos users have complete and total trust in your honesty, your ethics, and your leadership at Logos Bible Software. It is remarkable besides that -- that you are so open and so often communicate with us about what is happening and what is going to happen.

[Y][Y] from 15 year user!!!

Shawn Drewett said:

Bob Pritchett said:

 

We write Logos 4 on Microsoft's announced new tech platform for Windows, which runs slower on existing machines

 

Wow, I wish L4 was built on a platform that worked on my PC like L3 does! Not trying to be facetious, but wouldn't it be a better idea to build for the majority of users instead of just those with cutting edge machines?

It benefits Logos users for Logos to stay ahead of the technology, rather than behind it. If Logos released a version of L4 built on technology that everyone had when it was still in development, their product would be underpowered on the first day of its release (to say nothing or a year or two down the road). It is now two years past L4's release date and most users now have machines that can handle L4.

Even if Logos did design L4 to run on old machines, how far back should they go? Why not Apple 2 or Commodore 64?

Well, I used to think I was in the minority but after semi-following the forums for the last few months I don't feel so alone in my opinion. Nevertheless I'll continue to use L4 simply because I have to if I am going to access all my resources.

No, I didn't know that. I guess I'm just a veteran Logos user that misses the speed of L3.

Otto S. Carroll said:

Milford Charles Murray said:

I want to assure you that many, many of us long-term (and I'm sure short-term, also) Logos users have complete and total trust in your honesty, your ethics, and your leadership at Logos Bible Software. It is remarkable besides that -- that you are so open and so often communicate with us about what is happening and what is going to happen.

from 15 year user!!!

Here is another 15 years user thankful Milford for his words. [Y]

Jonathan said:

It benefits Logos users for Logos to stay ahead of the technology, rather than behind it.

It sounds good in theory, and I agree with it, but Logos took a big gamble on WPF and unfortunately... Hey, you win some, you lose some. I am glad they are innovating.

Thank you, once again, for your response. I do believe I have stated I understand the cost of "doing business", and the expense involved in bringing such a huge and massive project to us. While it sounds very much like I am tearing Logos down, and to some degree, perhaps I have, understand, I do appreciate the system and the work that has been done, undertaken, and underway.
I also understand Logos is a business, not a ministry (which. I disagree with. I do believe it is both). And, there is nothing wrong with being a business. Nor do i believe there is anything wrong with being a business based in Christianity-- so long as fraud is not involved. There is frustration on my part. And that has come across very strongly. There is also what was intended to be a word of caution; which came across very strongly-- and without apology, but with explanation. In that Logos is a business in an area that is God's, not man's, treading carefully is a word to the wise.

Some frustrations I spoke of do actually involve the Perseus collection, and how Logos organizes the library. The Perseus collection (while awesome, and a huge thank you to you, Logos, and all involved is warranted) is indeed a massive collection, that heightens the problem. Perhaps this is my own ignorance on how to use L4 (which adds further to my frustration); but, as I am sure you are aware, this collection is not isolated, but pretty much individually mingled within our library; seems the only way to deal with this, is to hide the collection. The suggestion and hope here, is that Logos will be able to find a way to precategorize libraries, so collections can be condensed (ie, Perseus, commentaries that are in volumes, etc.) so there is only one title, then perhaps once opened, the individual volumes/titles. Much like how Windows categorizes music-- Artist, Album, songs. If there is a way for that to be done, so that it shows when we open our Library, I have not seen how to do this (and, honestly, it's much easier for us, if Logos does this).
I do know there are some tutorial videos; this is good, but, they seem extremely basic, and do not go into more detail. Unfortunately, I am unable to attend the MP seminars; and quite frankly, I do not see them as being good. That's my opinion, and I may be wrong, but, I just don't get it; and paying $200+ for the DVDs is just as problematic to me. After all, as one slogan says, "Bible software should not be difficult". And while there is a simplicity to Logos, there is a huge learning curve required if one wishes to make best use of the software.

Again, thank you for your response; the desire to run an open and upfront business, and great phone support (well, usually). Please take my comments with the intended spirit, as outlined above. Thank you for the great things Logos has to offer; and, hopefully the not so great things can be looked into-- although, as they say, "You cant please all the people all the time".

Bob Pritchett said:

LegendsOfBatman said:

The so-called "Home page" is not much more than an ad-campaign.

As mentioned, you can turn off this marketing very easily. You can even keep the Home Page features that use your library, and turn off the parts that come from Logos. It's the "Customize" button in the bottom left of the home page. 

LegendsOfBatman said:

Rather than being a company that makes researching Scripture easier and more productive, the main goal is that of every secular company out there: find new ways to make more and more profit.

We're not a ministry, we're a business. Always have been, and always have been super-clear about that. 

With that said, there's a reason we're in this business, and we do care about equipping people to study the Bible. But since we don't pass an offering plate or solicit donations like a "ministry", we have to do things that people will pay for.

I'd argue it's even noble -- we're prioritizing things that are arguably the most important, importance being judged by the collective willingness of our Bible-studying-and-preaching users to pay for the product or feature!

(There are downsides to a profit orientation over a non-profit orientation, but the profit orientation has upsides, too: better accountability and direction of resources towards valued  output.)

But that wasn't even the point! The point was we stopped NEW book production for Libronix. My observation that Libronix users don't buy lots of stuff wasn't to indicate they're "less important to us", but rather that since as a class they don't buy much new stuff, stopping "new stuff" production in their format doesn't impact very many people.

LegendsOfBatman said:

I do not believe Logos' intent is to make research more practical, but, rather to find copyright free materials, to sell at maximum prices.

Sigh. This is just silly. The vast, vast majority of what we publish is not copyright free. We have to license it, or create it at great expense. Most of the public domain stuff you think we crank out in volume actually goes out through Community Pricing, where we've designed a (unique in the world?) system that minimizes our profits while reducing your price!

Did you miss the Perseus Project release we did for free? PD content that we did much, much more processing work on than most of our PD content, and gave to all of you for free.

Have you noticed http://www.sblgnt.com/ ? That's the Greek NT we produced for free and give away, even to our competitors.

Seen http://lexhamenglishbible.com/ ? That's the new English translation we produced at our cost and give away for free.

How about http://biblestudymagazine.com/ ? http://evangelicalexegeticalcommentary.com/ ? http://lexhambibledictionary.com/ ? http://www.raysd.com/ ? The entire Lexham series? High Definition Commentary? Our syntax databases? etc.

All content we're paying to create and produce, and selling at very reasonable cost.

I'd really like to retire this "you just make money selling public domain content" canard. Not true.

(And I can't even tell you about the big one... yet...)

We do public domain stuff because people want it. It costs a lot to type, because old files can't be reliably scanned. We earn most of our revenue on copyrighted material, and we produce more and more of that at our own expense every day, and we keep pushing price points down year after year after year.

NewbieMick said:

WOW.

Anybody seen that: http://blog.logos.com/2012/01/new-resources-for-logos-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosBibleSoftwareBlog+%28Logos+Bible+Software+Blog%29 

'WOW' is right.

I think Bob listens to the whiners too much.  This just cost him (Logos) a lot of money.  Some of that will come back on the rest of us, as we foot the bill for the whiners.

I respect Bob and his decision.  He's a better man than I am...that's not the group of folks to whom I would have catered.