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Blair said:
They appear to be not so well endorsed by the official voice of Logos. Is there a reason for that, other than their potentially competitive relation to Camp Logos?
Blair - Camp Logos is the official training organization for Logos, which is why they are promoted on the website. John Fallahee (LearnLogos) is a former employee of Logos, and he advertises in the Logos created Bible Study Magazine. Is there some other reason you feel that LearnLogos is not "so well endorsed"?
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I don't spend a lot of time on the forums (this last week is highly unusual for me) but this week is the first time in 18 mths or so that they've been mentioned by anyone. (Or maybe they were and I just missed the reference). Just a little surprsied, that's all.
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Blair said:
They appear to be not so well endorsed by the official voice of Logos. Is there a reason for that, other than their potentially competitive relation to Camp Logos?
I think your insight is right on the money Blair. I have both Morris and John's Training CD's. Both of these guys do a great job training, but clearly John is a much more economical solution. I think Morris's product is good but albeit an expensive option for most people. Keep in mind John also has Monday night online streaming training for free, which is great for those who are on a tight budget.
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At first glance, It would appear that you have a mustache. Closer investigation reveals it to be a Kool-Aid stain.alabama24 said:Blair said:They appear to be not so well endorsed by the official voice of Logos. Is there a reason for that, other than their potentially competitive relation to Camp Logos?
Blair - Camp Logos is the official training organization for Logos, which is why they are promoted on the website. John Fallahee (LearnLogos) is a former employee of Logos, and he advertises in the Logos created Bible Study Magazine. Is there some other reason you feel that LearnLogos is not "so well endorsed"?
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Blair said:
I don't spend a lot of time on the forums (this last week is highly unusual for me) but this week is the first time in 18 mths or so that they've been mentioned by anyone. (Or maybe they were and I just missed the reference). Just a little surprsied, that's all.
Well maybe those of us who appreciate John Fallahee's training videos and webinars that you can find at his site http://www.learnlogos.com should speak up more often!
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Kilroy said:
At first glance, It would appear that you have a mustache. Closer investigation reveals it to be a Kool-Aid stain.alabama24 said:Blair said:They appear to be not so well endorsed by the official voice of Logos. Is there a reason for that, other than their potentially competitive relation to Camp Logos?
Blair - Camp Logos is the official training organization for Logos, which is why they are promoted on the website. John Fallahee (LearnLogos) is a former employee of Logos, and he advertises in the Logos created Bible Study Magazine. Is there some other reason you feel that LearnLogos is not "so well endorsed"?
This is hilarious! I must admit -- I laughed so hard, because there might be some truth here.
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Blair said:
I don't spend a lot of time on the forums (this last week is highly unusual for me) but this week is the first time in 18 mths or so that they've been mentioned by anyone. (Or maybe they were and I just missed the reference). Just a little surprsied, that's all.
Blair, I echo what alabama said. I think the main thing is the "official" status of MPS. And the fact that he has been around a lot longer and has a larger footprint as far as Logos training. Fallahee came out when L4 was introduced. Chief "likes" by users of his: price, and on-your-computer instant, interactive training. You don't have to start and stop a DVD. But MPS is hard to beat as a teacher if you can afford his training. I have not come across anyone who was sorry they went to a seminar of his.
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MJD said:Kilroy said:
At first glance, It would appear that you have a mustache. Closer investigation reveals it to be a Kool-Aid stain.alabama24 said:Blair said:They appear to be not so well endorsed by the official voice of Logos. Is there a reason for that, other than their potentially competitive relation to Camp Logos?
Blair - Camp Logos is the official training organization for Logos, which is why they are promoted on the website. John Fallahee (LearnLogos) is a former employee of Logos, and he advertises in the Logos created Bible Study Magazine. Is there some other reason you feel that LearnLogos is not "so well endorsed"?
This is hilarious! I must admit -- I laughed so hard, because there might be some truth here.
this would be funny if the relationship were more mutual. instead it feels a little more like two school boys laughing at another (instead of with). Am I missing something?
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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At first glance, It would appear that you have a mustache. Closer investigation reveals it to be a Kool-Aid stain.alabama24 said:Blair - Camp Logos is the official training organization for Logos, which is why they are promoted on the website. John Fallahee (LearnLogos) is a former employee of Logos, and he advertises in the Logos created Bible Study Magazine. Is there some other reason you feel that LearnLogos is not "so well endorsed"?
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Kilroy said:
At first glance,
To be honest, after our earlier interaction on the previous now deleted thread (where you accidentally posted under this name before deleting and posting under your nom de plume), I hoped you might have retired this profile recognising that the joke has worn thin.
There may be a very good reason as to why one individual has two active profiles, but, given the nature of many of your posts (in which you appear to persistently campaign against the same few MVPs), I don't see it.
If you feel that individuals are unhelpful, perhaps you could correct this by actually assisting people with their queries? Maybe this would then bring about the sea-change you so obviously seek?
Edit: Reported post as personal abuse.
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To simplify matters, Why don't you note the posts you Don't report. [:D]Andy Evans said:Edit: Reported post as personal abuse.
Keep plugging away, in defense of the MVP's.
I have no doubt you will wear a star someday, You are perfect for the job. [:D]
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Yes.Dan DeVilder said:this would be funny if the relationship were more mutual. instead it feels a little more like two school boys laughing at another (instead of with). Am I missing something?
You fail to see that there are many more than two schoolboys laughing at the Kool-Aid junkies. Morris is not the official trainer because he was here first, because Logos believes he is the best, or because he is a nicer guy than John. He is "official" because he coughs up a pound of flesh for every disc sold. The bottom line is always the Bottom Line.
"It's about the Money, Lebowski."
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Andy Evans said:
I don't get it? Why is this funny? When did it become okay to be personally offensive, particularly on a website dedicated to Bible Software?
I agree. No board should be a forum for personal abuse. I do not wish to post on this matter again.
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We all have to establish an M.O. defining our attempt to be "protestants." Some preach doomsday on the street corner. Some hold their breath till they turn blue. ( or worse) Some combine tactics, Such as Posting copious amounts of irrelevant screen shots then reporting others for similar infractions. Everyone is unique. I enjoy watching the various approaches.Andy Evans said:Edit: Reported post as personal abuse.
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Are you absolutely certain about your diagnosis? I concur, It was some sort of stain. However,Kilroy said:At first glance, It would appear that you have a mustache. Closer investigation reveals it to be a Kool-Aid stain.
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Willard Scott said:
You fail to see that there are many more than two schoolboys laughing at the Kool-Aid junkies.
Willard, whether it is two or 15 or 195, that is not the heart of my point. what I am highlighting is the way invective and guffaws are used and thrown about. I am calling for grace and restraint. Sometimes people say things that are not overt, but could betray motivations that are not grace-oriented, such as "don't believe in it, don't buy it." Saying it that way does not mean one thing or the other, but it could be interpreted in various ways. I think it is okay to get clarification of intent and meaning after statements like that, as well as to listen to the response and weigh that. But phrases such as "Kool-aid junkies" is pejorative and dismissive from the get-go. I just think there is a better way to deal with our differences or our questions or our assumptions about the motivations of others. I also think it is incumbent upon all to offer grace to perceived offenders, and not perpetuate the argument by name calling and diatribe. We all (well, most of us) have done it. I know we are all called to a higher way of relating to each other, whether or not we have a star. and as for the "star" people, we also hold each other accountable, too.
Willard Scott said:Morris is not the official trainer because he was here first, because Logos believes he is the best, or because he is a nicer guy than John. He is "official" because he coughs up a pound of flesh for every disc sold.
well, Logos has never revealed their motivations to me. But I find Morris an excellent trainer. I spend $200 on a seminar years before I posted on a forum (or got a star), back when I was preaching at a small church earning food-stamp level money. Yeah, I groaned and griped about the price. But after I went, I perceived I had gotten my money's worth. I always want something cheaper. But I consider both the value of a product received, and I try to temper my criticisms because I know griping and labeling and judgments come too easily for me (and my family of origin), and are often said in ignorance of many things. And they betray a lack of living out grace.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Sometimes unique individuals make illogical, unsubstantiated statements. When called on the absurdity of said statements, They will make an insincere apology, all the while maintaining they can't understand why anyone would be offended. They will immediately follow that apology with a reworded version of the original absurdities. (if you scan this thread start to finish, you will find such an individual) Before you can successfully communicate with such an individual, you must get their attention.. Sometimes colorful language is the only way to accomplish this. A picture is worth a thousand words.Dan DeVilder said:it is okay to get clarification of intent and meaning after statements like that, as well as to listen to the response and weigh that. But phrases such as "Kool-aid junkies" is pejorative and dismissive from the get-go.
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Willard Scott said:
Sometimes unique individuals make illogical, unsubstantiated statements. When called on the absurdity of said statements, They will make an insincere apology, all the while maintaining they can't understand why anyone would be offended. They will immediately follow that apology with a reworded version of the original absurdities. (if you scan this thread start to finish, you will find such an individual) Before you can successfully communicate with such an individual, you must get their attention.. Sometimes colorful language is the only way to accomplish this. A picture is worth a thousand words.Dan DeVilder said:it is okay to get clarification of intent and meaning after statements like that, as well as to listen to the response and weigh that. But phrases such as "Kool-aid junkies" is pejorative and dismissive from the get-go.
succinct statements can betray much more than intended. they can also portray much more than intended, depending on how recipients project onto that statement.
Infusing grace even where we think it is unwarranted and undeserved . . . to me, is the best, and often hardest, option.
I see camps divided, and people trying to heal (perceived or actual) disease with chainsaws. I wish there was more balm.
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