Morph Search on TR1894

Pastor Brad Berglund

I am having difficulty getting a morph search on the 1894 Scrivener's TR.

I have my search parameters as follows:

Search ALL MORPH TEXT in COLOSSIANS in TR1894MR with ROBINSON GREEK MORPHOLOGY for:

I type @ and the window opens

I choose VERB then INDICATIVE - the program fills in the search box.

I tell it to start and it returns 0 results

I delete one of the ? in the search box and I get 96 results. (I get a similar response for SUBJUNCTIVE.

This workaround does not work for any other morphs.

What is going on?

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Kevin Becker

Welcome to the forum! I can duplicate this behavior. Even a @V search comes up empty. I suspect there is a bug, either with the resource or with the way the indexer deals with it.

If you see this in time, edit your subject with BUG:

http://wiki.logos.com/Using_the_Forum#Editing_or_deleting_posts

hopefully Logos will fix this for you soon.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/337090#Comment_337090

Using Logos 4.5a Beta 4 on Mac and PC, can replicate 0 search results in two Greek new testaments with Robinson Greek Morphology:

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Bradley Grainger (Logos)

I can reproduce this error and have filed a bug. I'm not currently sure what the cause is, so I don't know if there's an easy workaround or fix for the issue, unfortunately.

Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/337144#Comment_337144

Has anything been resolved in the last month?

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/344848#Comment_344848

Open Scriveners and Esv Interlinear, go to 1:3, there are many verb forms there. If I understand correctly a verb is an action word, so if you are looking for a particular, this should give you some ideas on the morph structure for the search.[the verb must be ‘showing/displaying/pointing to’ the action of xxxxxx]

verb

— n
1.	(in traditional grammar) any of a large class of words in a language that serve to indicate the occurrence or performance of an action, the existence of a state or condition, etc. In English, such words as run, make, do, and the like are verbs
2.	in modern descriptive linguistic analysis
	a. a word or group of words that functions as the predicate of a sentence or introduces the predicate
	b. ( as modifier ): a verb phrase

[C14: from Latin verbum a word]

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/344919#Comment_344919

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/344848#Comment_344848

Has anything been resolved in the last month?

Sad to say, nothing has changed. But it is a simple fix, when Logos get around to it.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/344923#Comment_344923

Observation: ESV reverse interlinear uses Logos Greek Morphology. The Logos morphology @VPUP-PNM corresponds with Robinson Greek Morphology @VP?EP?PNM

Wonder about Greek Morphological tagging in TR1894MR since a search using Logos Greek Morphology finds results in TR1894MR:

Likewise Elzevir Textus Receptus (1624) can be searched using Logos Greek Morphology:

Right click in Elzevir and TR1894MR have Logos Greek Morphology tagging (instead of Robinson Greek Morphology).

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Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345034#Comment_345034

KS4J,

This be true. Why I cannot say, but I noticed that this is functional many years back.

Maybe, Hopefully - a Techie from the Logos Book Programming Dept could log in and give us a better understanding of how this is.....it may be possible that the two different types of Morphology's are so similiar that they rarely make the distinction....I do not know but this does sound plausible.

Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345121#Comment_345121

Yes! I remember this working in earlier updates of Logos4. I still have Libronix3 on an old laptop. I have to use that to get accurate results.

Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345263#Comment_345263

It appears that someone has fixed the bug. Things are now working like they are supposed to. Thank you.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345461#Comment_345461

Really? The scenario in the first post works for you now? It does not for me --

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345469#Comment_345469

Concur:

Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345560#Comment_345560

I don't know what to say now. I am more confused. I cannot get the results I did on Saturday. Does this have something to do with LOGOS MORPHOLOGY vs. ROBINSON MORPHOLOGY?

Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345747#Comment_345747

Dear Room4more - I am not getting the options you get on your screens.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345750#Comment_345750

Dear Room4more - I am not getting the options you get on your screens.

Ok, I just did the same routine again and this from a fresh startup of L4, nothing open, just clicked the mag-glass[search] typed in the @V??I and did the @V??S as well, using the same choices and got the same results from what you see in the pics….[Sub. had fewer hits]

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345750#Comment_345750

Dear Room4more - I am not getting the options you get on your screens.

something went froggy. du'kno why 2 posts...?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345747#Comment_345747

I don't know what to say now. I am more confused. I cannot get the results I did on Saturday. Does this have something to do with LOGOS MORPHOLOGY vs. ROBINSON MORPHOLOGY?

Appears starting with a Bible Search of TR1894MR using Logos Greek Morphological code works (e.g. @V??I), then can change to Morph Search. Caveat: Morph Search pop-up is not usable to build search since TR1894MR has Robinson Greek Morphology pop-up:.

Robinson Greek Morphology search for indicative verbs is @V???I (finds nothing in TR1894MR)

Logos Greek Morphology search for indicative verbs is @V??I (finds lots of indicative verbs in TR1894MR)

Doing a Bible Search using my Greek Bibles collection with Logos Greek Morphology code for imperative verbs @V??M shows Elzever and TR1894MR have Logos Greek Morphological tagging:

Philippians 4:4 has two imperative verbs. The Bible Grid results show four Greek Bibles with Robinson Greek Morphology where @V??M finds middle voice verbs. Note: Philippians 4:3 has a middle voice imperative verb so @V??M matches both Logos and Robinson.

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Louis St. Hilaire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/345777#Comment_345777

We've decided to change the morphology in this and other resources using Robinson to Logos. The work is complete and the update will be released shortly.

My apologies for the delay.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/348377#Comment_348377

We've decided to change the morphology in this and other resources using Robinson to Logos. The work is complete and the update will be released shortly.

My apologies for the delay.

Hey Louis, thanks for getting back to us - I was thinking that this was just about dead.....Is this going to affect all w/Robinson Morphology?

Thanks again....

Louis St. Hilaire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/348380#Comment_348380

Is this going to affect all w/Robinson Morphology?

Yes. The other resources affected are:

Wescott and Hort Greek New Testament (1881) with Morphology [WH1881MR]
Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology [TR1550MR]
The Interlinear Translation of the Greek New Testament (Newberry Interlinear) [TR1550INT]

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/348384#Comment_348384

Yes. The other resources affected are:

Wescott and Hort Greek New Testament (1881) with Morphology [WH1881MR]

Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology [TR1550MR]

The Interlinear Translation of the Greek New Testament (Newberry Interlinear) [TR1550INT]

Ok, Thanks again..

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/348384#Comment_348384

Is this going to affect all w/Robinson Morphology?

Yes. The other resources affected are:

Wescott and Hort Greek New Testament (1881) with Morphology [WH1881MR]

Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology [TR1550MR]

The Interlinear Translation of the Greek New Testament (Newberry Interlinear) [TR1550INT]

Looking forward to resource switch to Logos Greek Morphology [:D] so can use Logos Greek morphological filters in English Reverse Interlinear resources and more Greek resources.

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Pastor Brad Berglund

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/348377#Comment_348377

IT WORKS like it used to. THANKS!

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