John Piper's Sermon Library

Josh
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edited November 2024 in English Forum

In the descriptions of this resource is states: "Functions as a roughly 5,000 page commentary"

What exactly does this mean? Will it come up under my commentaries in my PG? Is it arranged by Bible verse? I'm a bit confused...

http://www.logos.com/product/8601/the-john-piper-sermon-manuscript-library

 

Also, is Mark Driscolls's Sermon Library set-up the same way?

http://www.logos.com/product/4925/mark-driscoll-sermon-archive

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  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,523

    "Functions as a roughly 5,000 page commentary"

    What exactly does this mean?

    I assume that since Piper tackles sermons "verse by verse," that a collection of his sermons would function like a commentary, i.e. "verse by verse." I do not own the resource, so others will have to chime in.

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  • Rich DeRuiter
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    In the descriptions of this resource is states: "Functions as a roughly 5,000 page commentary"

    What exactly does this mean? Will it come up under my commentaries in my PG? Is it arranged by Bible verse? I'm a bit confused...

    Actually what it means is that those who are selling this want you to buy it.

    I have it and it does not function like a commentary, not even roughly. Nor does it come up as a commentary, nor is it arranged by verse.

    What I've done is create a collection called "Sermons" with his, Spurgeon's, and a few others and pull them up in my passage guide when I want, or pull them up one-by-one in another guide I call "Sermons." Then I just open that guide to my passage and I've got his sermons to look at.

    Personal note: I've not really found his stuff that helpful for my work. (YMMV)

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  • Josh
    Josh Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭

    In the descriptions of this resource is states: "Functions as a roughly 5,000 page commentary"

    What exactly does this mean? Will it come up under my commentaries in my PG? Is it arranged by Bible verse? I'm a bit confused...

    Actually what it means is that those who are selling this want you to buy it.

    I have it and it does not function like a commentary, not even roughly. Nor does it come up as a commentary, nor is it arranged by verse.

    What I've done is create a collection called "Sermons" with his, Spurgeon's, and a few others and pull them up in my passage guide when I want, or pull them up one-by-one in another guide I call "Sermons." Then I just open that guide to my passage and I've got his sermons to look at.

    Personal note: I've not really found his stuff that helpful for my work. (YMMV)

     

    Thanks for the reply.

     

  • NetworkGeek
    NetworkGeek Member Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭

    I have both the Driscoll and Piper sermon collections noted, and they are most certainly NOT commentaries. I did a passage list on the Piper resource, it is 10 years of sermons but only has 31 scripture references in it. That said, I have gotten some good preaching thoughts from both resources; I would say they are nice resources for answering the old question "So what?". Sometimes we exegete the passage well, but struggle with applying it to our lives.  But given the lack of scriptural references in the Piper resource, you will have better luck looking for keywords that you think a passage is speaking to you about, and see what Piper has to say about that topic (love, judgment, mourning, thirst, etc. etc.)

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    John Piper is a very good expository preacher.  His sermons do teach the scriptures, but they are not commentaries.

    I would compare them to Spurgeon or Jame M. Boice.  I am refering to the type of the material, not comparing Piper to Spurgeon, of course.


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  • Wes Saad
    Wes Saad Member Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭

    Like Richard, I've got Piper set up in a collection which I've added to a custom passage guide. (Unlike Richard, I find Piper quite helpful and will often check to see if he has a sermon on the text I plan to preach; I like to see how he handles the text). This doesn't make the collection a commentary, per se, so that description isn't quite accurate, but because of Logos' ability to take you to every place where an author mentions a particular passage, you can find what that author comments about a passage.

  • Wes Saad
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    But given the lack of scriptural references in the Piper resource, you will have better luck looking for keywords that you think a passage is speaking to you about, and see what Piper has to say about that topic

    Methinks the passage list must not have been done right since the resource is loaded with Scripture refs. This is one thing that impresses me about Piper - everything he does is Bible saturated.

    I made a passage list from the refs in the first sermon of the first volume of sermons (1980 sermon, The Wisdom of Men and the Power of God) and it picked up 11 passages in just that one sermon. You won't have any shortage of Scripture in Piper's sermons.

  • NetworkGeek
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    Methinks the passage list must not have been done right since the resource is loaded with Scripture refs. This is one thing that impresses me about Piper - everything he does is Bible saturated.

     

    I did both a copy to clipboard and using selected text to create a passage list. Maybe the scripture isn't in a form Logos can recognize, but I thought that my approach was valid because if that is the case you won't easily find it in a search either, which reduces its usefulness. Like I said I enjoy them by topic, if there is a more comprehensive way to find all the scripture let me know.

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,523

    Methinks

    Have you been watching too much Jar Jar Binks? [:)]

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  • Rich DeRuiter
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    Methinks the passage list must not have been done right since the resource is loaded with Scripture refs. This is one thing that impresses me about Piper - everything he does is Bible saturated.

     

    I did both a copy to clipboard and using selected text to create a passage list. Maybe the scripture isn't in a form Logos can recognize, but I thought that my approach was valid because if that is the case you won't easily find it in a search either, which reduces its usefulness. Like I said I enjoy them by topic, if there is a more comprehensive way to find all the scripture let me know.

    Actually, one can quickly find these references by putting the sermons into a guide, either a custom Passage Guide, or a new guide designed from scratch (which is what i did). Then one types in the passage and the sermon(s) which include the text are listed. I have such a guide that I use from time to time and it works quite well.

    The down side is that it also captures those places where the passage may be only briefly touched upon, not only those sermons that are base primarily upon the passage you want to study.

    Once it's set up, this is much quicker and easier than a search. Just make a collection of his sermons, and one for any other sermons you want to include (Most of Tozer's writings are his sermons, e.g.), create a new guide template, include those collections (and anything else you want) and you're good to go. I did this a while back, but since I already had the collections made it didn't take very long to set up the way I wanted.

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  • Josh
    Josh Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭

    These are good suggestions. Logos needs to change this products description. Saying that this resource functions like a commentary is misleading. I was going to buy this sermon library but I'm going to hold off - maybe it will go on sale for Xmas.

  • Eric Ruhnow
    Eric Ruhnow Member Posts: 59 ✭✭

    I purchased this one well before L4 rolled out and I must say, it functioned better in the pseudo-commentary department under L3.

    The "Home" page that would install under L3 for this resource made it much easier to go through the sermon manuscripts by Scripture or topic than a standard search in L4.

    My current tactic in L4 for this resource and others similar to it is to setup a collection of sermon resources and us the Cited By function.

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  • Jason Skipper
    Jason Skipper Member Posts: 145 ✭✭

    Does anyone have any suggestions for getting the results to be more narrowly associated with the text with which one is dealing?
    I have this set up as a collection under my passage guide. I find that the results are relatively broad and would like to see only the sermons on the text with which I'm dealing. Instead I have to sift through them a bit.

  • Andy
    Andy Member Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭

    Josh said:

    In the descriptions of this resource is states: "Functions as a roughly 5,000 page commentary"

    What exactly does this mean? Will it come up under my commentaries in my PG? Is it arranged by Bible verse? I'm a bit confused...

    http://www.logos.com/product/8601/the-john-piper-sermon-manuscript-library

     

    Also, is Mark Driscolls's Sermon Library set-up the same way?

    http://www.logos.com/product/4925/mark-driscoll-sermon-archive

    I own both sets and have set up a collection which I run in My Passage Guide as per Richard's suggestion above. In my experience, this arrangement works pretty well and I usually have little problem in identifying sermons which comment on the passage I am studying. In this sense, the sermon sets perhaps work a little like a commentary, but they are obviously not commentaries (as has been noted above).

    I would also make the observation that the quality of the Mark Driscoll Sermon Archive is poor, particularly in comparison with Piper. I am not referring to the content (I find the content of both collections helpful), but the formatting. The Piper collection is well laid out and a pleasure to read. The Driscoll collection is (in my opinion) the crudest of transcriptions. The transcriber has inserted 'stage directions' in the text ([laughter]) and any comment on the original languages appears to be marked as [inaudible] (whereas, in fact, Driscoll has just referenced a Hebrew or Greek word).

    I did correspond with Logos on purchasing the collection (through pre pub) and have no confidence this will ever be fixed. Notwithstanding this, the content is helpful, particularly if you find Mark Driscoll interesting/helpful.

    The quality of the Piper collection is, however, in my opinion, roundly excellent. I would particularly recommend the Piper collection.

  • Michael A. Lasley
    Michael A. Lasley Member Posts: 226 ✭✭

    The Desiringgod,org website has the sermons indexed by Date, Topic, Series, Scripture, and Occasion. So you would think that an index would have been available to Logos. I find them very useful, but when I need to find one I generally go to the desiringgod.org website to get the name or date of the sermon.

  • Jacob Hantla
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    I have it and it does not function like a commentary, not even roughly. Nor does it come up as a commentary, nor is it arranged by verse

    I understand what you mean, Richard. But I disagree. To me Piper's collection has absolutely functioned as a commentary. I set up a collection called "Piper" and just stuck that collection in my passage guide. While it pulls any sermon in which he has referenced a passage, it is pretty easy to pick out where and when a major portion of the sermon (or book as I included his books in the collection as well) focuses on the passage at hand. 

    I have found especially for Romans that he has thought through the exegetical details in some areas in ways that far exceed the detail given by many commentators. You will have to "wade" through some very helpful and heart-shepherding pastoral exposition to see the exegetical detail.

    Nevertheless, I have found this collection in Logos to be of more benefit than simply going to desiringgod.org and finding the passage referenced in their passage list on the site. He will often discuss the details of one passage in a sermon on a different one. 

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  • Does anyone have any suggestions for getting the results to be more narrowly associated with the text with which one is dealing?

    Welcome [:D]

    One idea is searching Heading Text; Large Text in a Sermons collection for intersection with Bible text: e.g. Ephesians 4:17-32

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    I find that the results are relatively broad and would like to see only the sermons on the text with which I'm dealing. Instead I have to sift through them a bit.

    Another idea is searching Sermons collection for intersection with Bible text plus some relevant word(s):

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    Caveat: still needs to sift through them a bit (e.g. noticed last search result is a sermon on Acts 8:12).

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • spitzerpl
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    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:


    Does anyone have any suggestions for getting the results to be more narrowly associated with the text with which one is dealing?

    I just bought this resource today. This search works pretty well and has only a few extra hits (the month of May gets confused with the word may. Search his collection for:

    (January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December) NEAR <bible intersect Colossians)

    [edit] Once you've create the search drag it to the shortcut bar or favorites. Then all you have to do is change the passage to run a new search.

  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
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    (January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December) NEAR <bible intersect Colossians>

    Searching a sermon collection using:

    (January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December) NEAR <bible intersect Philippians>

    may include spurious results.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    In case new users come across this old thread, you may like to know that it's now possible to have John Piper's sermons appear in your passage guide, using this Personal Book.

    This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

  • Jason Grubbs
    Jason Grubbs Member Posts: 6 ✭✭

    Thanks, this is something I have been looking for for a long time.  I know this may be a dumb question but how do I get the .doc file into my logos books?

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Thanks, this is something I have been looking for for a long time.  I know this may be a dumb question but how do I get the .doc file into my logos books?

    1. Download the .docx file and the cover image.
    2. Go to Tools > Personal Books
    3. Click Add book
    4. Enter Title
    5. Enter Author (optional)
    6. Choose the book Type (Bible Commentary).
    7. Optionally add the cover image: click Change... under the blank book cover and choose the image you downloaded earlier.
    8. Click Add file... and select the .docx file from your hard disk.
    9. Click Build book

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  • Jason Grubbs
    Jason Grubbs Member Posts: 6 ✭✭

    Mark,

    Thanks, that is really a nice addition to my John Piper Sermon Library.  

    God bless you!

  • David Medina
    David Medina Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    Josh,

    Your question is valid but I think some of the answers are just complicating and making more of it that what really is. And It is very simple, really.

    They are sermons.

    But because of the way these Bible expositors teach the Bible their sermons "Functions as" a commentary.

    What is a commentary? Some one that comments of a book of the Bible. Your notes are your commentary over the books of the Bible as you study them. As you know, there are different types of commentaries. 

    They are not saying that they are Commentaries with uppercase "c" but that because they teach book by book, verse by verse, in an expository manner "Functions as" "like" a commentary. Keywords "Functions as" and "like".  Neither of the two words means "is" a Commentary.

    So it is rather simple. It amazes me how sometimes we tend to complicate simple things.

  • Peter Bongers
    Peter Bongers Member Posts: 46 ✭✭

    Thank you so much! What a helpful addition to my library and to Logos!

    I especially love that you can access the sermons which are not available in Logos by clicking on the link... brilliant! [:)]