Expositor's Bible Commentary -- Original vs. Revised
Logos currently has a sale on the EBC for $129.99: http://www.logos.com/product/5457/the-expositors-bible-commentary. But this is the original, and a revised EBC has been produced during 2005-2010 (2 volumes forthcoming): http://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/revised-expositor-s-bible-commentary-rebc/.
The revision does not appear to be yet available on Logos. Does anyone know how extensive the changes are in the revised EBC?
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I love my "Original" copy, but would love for Logos to upgrade us for free to the "Revised" copy. By the way, the price for the original is great considering how much time you save looking up cross references within the commentaries; plus, is a complete OT & NT set, even though is a little bit uneven in some books. But I highly recommend it. Some practical outlines that can preach too if you want to do a brief overview of a book.
DA
The Expositor's Bible Commentary, Revised Edition (13 vols.) is now on Pre-Pub! http://www.logos.com/product/20185/expositors-bible-commentary-revised-edition
I see that there is the possibility of getting it cheaper if you own the original already. Would you lose the original, or keep both if you went this route?
I put in my pre-pub order today. You will still have the original EBC plus the new revised version. Some of the same authors are in the revised version but I understand that most of the authors have changed. It maintains the same theological perspective as the orginial commentary set. Therefore, you basically get a completely new set of commentaries in the same great format and quality as the original set. There is special pricing for those who already own the set but the special pricing expires on May 15th. For the commentaries that are written by the same author in the original set, they authors have enhanced and updated their material - especially in the introductions. Money is tight...but I couldn't let this one pass.
I own the original and really have enjoyed it, but it's hard to justify upgrading to the new revised volumes. Logos can do whatever they want, but IMO they are going to have to do better than discounting original owners $45 if they want a good number of us to buy.
I just don't see the vast majority of original EBC owners switching anytime soon - if ever. Not for $275 anyway. And with the dirt cheap price of the original EBC, I'd assume that many people thinking about purchasing EBC will still opt to purchase the original over the new revised volumes.
I'd assume that many people thinking about purchasing EBC will still opt to purchase the original over the new revised volumes.
I'd assume that the "original" will disappear fairly quickly. Perhaps even before the updated ones ship.
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I'd assume that many people thinking about purchasing EBC will still opt to purchase the original over the new revised volumes.I'd assume that the "original" will disappear fairly quickly. Perhaps even before the updated ones ship.
I would be shocked if this happened - Logos carries the old ISBE still. However, maybe you're correct.
EDIT: And if you are correct - I would be very thankful I picked up the original set when I did.
Would you need to pay out the $275 at once, or is that doable on the time basis? I'm absolutely sure this will be a splendid resource. The EBC sets a great balance for useful material without overwhelming the reader.
The only downside is if they put the NIV 2011as the base text. The NIV was adequate, but I would prefer the scholar to make his own translation.
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Michael, I don't know if pre-pubs can be financed. I doubt it.
I'm still kicking this around. We have 10 more days to decide. The old set has 10,078 pages. The new has 11,939. The claim of 60% more content is confusing to me.
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Don't they mean new content? I.e. old stuff has been replaced...
I have the EBC for Logos and have pre-ordered the revised EBC. The original is very useful and I anticipate more of the same from the revised edition. But my question is what do Logos (or Zondervan?) mean when they say that "This new series contains 60% more content..."?
The original EBC has 10078 pages and the new, revised EBC has 11939 pages: a difference of 1861 pages. The number of additional pages works out as about 18% of an increase, so what does "60% more content" mean? Does anyone know?
what does "60% more content" mean?
I too wondered about this. For instance, is the barely revised Carson (on Matthew) included in the 60% and, if so, is the entirety of this work counted (as it is, technically, a revised work)?
I appreciate that the 60% is, no doubt, an approximation rather than a precise figure, but further clarification would be appreciated, particularly as the price is $16 higher (for 40% less content) than the entirety of previous version (I bought the previous version on prepublication).
Hello, all! Good questions and discussion here. I plan to be back on later today to (hopefully) answer some of these questions.
Jesse
Zondervan
Hello, all! Good questions and discussion here. I plan to be back on later today to (hopefully) answer some of these questions.
Thanks, Jesse, really appreciate any information you can provide.
I personally do not own either set but am itching to get the revised version in Logos. I asked the same question in another forum and the replies suggested that it is a pretty big rewrite with different authors.
Rick, that is helpful to hear. I had searched for a discussion of it here in the Logos forums before posting, but had found nothing. What was the other forum where you got the information?
Keith ... this is directly from the Zondervan site. What is most impressive to me was the irenical treatment of opposing opinions.
This is a completely revised edition of Gold Medallion Award-winning Expositor’s Bible Commentary. This revised commentary has undergone substantial revisions that keep pace with current evangelical scholarship and resources. Just as its previous edition, it offers a major contribution to the study and understanding of the Scriptures. Providing pastors and Bible students with a comprehensive and scholarly tool for the exposition of the Scriptures and the teaching and proclamation of the gospel, this ten-volume reference work has become a staple of seminary and college libraries and pastors’ studies worldwide. Its fifty-six contributors—thirty of them are new—represent the best in evangelical scholarship committed to the divine inspiration, complete trustworthiness, and full authority of the Bible.As before, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary features full NIV text, but also refers freely to other translations and to the original languages. In addition to its exposition, each book of the Bible has an introduction, outline, and an updated bibliography. Notes on textual questions and special problems are correlated with the expository units; transliteration and translation of Semitic and Greek words make the more technical notes accessible to readers unacquainted with the biblical languages. In matters where marked differences of opinion exist, commentators, while stating their own convictions, deal fairly and irenically with opposing views.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
I asked about it in a Logos competitor's forum. Their forums are within the program itself and not accessible via the web. I know that Logos has clarified the mentioning of other programs in the Logos forums but out of respect I will not mention the name. If you would like to know, please email me at rick68 at vqme com You will get a "challenge response" where you have to type two words since your email address won't be recognized the first time you email me. Once you type the two words, it will come to my inbox. I know it is a hassle but it keeps me from getting a lot of bad stuff.
I am copy/pasting the pertinent parts below:
ME: While visiting a local Bible bookstore two days ago I noticed that Zondervan
has released a revised version of the Expositor's Bible Commentary (the volumes
have a brown cover which say "Revised" on them and it is now 13 volumes instead
of 12. Looking through one it looked great!
Amazon says that some volumes are not yet released, I'm not sure.
I know that this is very early in the game, but can anyone from <competitor program>
(or anyone else for that matter) comment on whether or not the revised edition
might have a chance to be seen in <competitor program>?
Any information (if known) would be cool to know.
Thanks
Below is a excerpt from Amazon.
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Product Description:
Gold Medallion Award-winning Expositor's Bible Commentary. This revised
commentary has undergone substantial revisions that keep pace with current
evangelical scholarship and resources. Just as its previous edition, it offers a
major contribution to the study and understanding of the Scriptures. Providing
pastors and Bible students with a comprehensive and scholarly tool for the
exposition of the Scriptures and the teaching and proclamation of the gospel,
this ten-volume reference work has become a staple of seminary and college
libraries and pastors' studies worldwide. Its fifty-six contributors---thirty of
them are new---represent the best in evangelical scholarship committed to the
divine inspiration, complete trustworthiness, and full authority of the Bible.
As before, The Expositor's Bible Commentary features full NIV text, but also
refers freely to other translations and to the original languages. In addition
to its exposition, each book of the Bible has an introduction, outline, and an
updated bibliography. Notes on textual questions and special problems are
correlated with the expository units; transliteration and translation of Semitic
and Greek words make the more technical notes accessible to readers unacquainted
with the biblical languages. In matters where marked differences of opinion
exist, commentators, while stating their own convictions, deal fairly and
irenically with opposing views.
authors.
> I would love to see the updated EBC in <competitor program> . It is a complete re-write
with
> new authors.
Hi rcs_mike,
I thought that it was a new rewrite with a different format even (more color
etc), but could not be 100% sure. I have only looked at the first version
briefly and simply thought "another book" to myself but when I browsed through
the revised version there was a more exciting reaction from this time. Thanks
for confirming that it is a complete rewrite.
I have the old set and it is well worth the price. One of the big plus factors for me is it presents many things from a dispensational view point, which gives a balance to many of my other resources.
The scholarship level is about the same as the Tyndale series. I uses both often to see both sides of issues. Both contain solid scholarship as far as they go. This allows almost anyone to get a good handle on a passage for further research and studies. On the real positive side these commentaries are on both the New and Old Testament, which is also important to help balance most of the Logos libraries out. Too many sets have no OT coverange!
I will also consider the new set when it comes to Logos, it will be alot different from the old set. I hope it sticks with the dispensational point of view on most passages, but it will be worth considering even if it does not.
In Christ,
Jim VanSchoonhoven