Guide: Export to Kindle with native TOC, Footnotes, and Chapter Navigation Marks

Nice work.  I do similar on my Mac...

-- copy book text as you suggest

-- paste into M$ word

-- add a cover image and the other book meta text to the start of the Word doc

-- save doc in .doc format and email as an attachment to your Kindle email address with the word convert in the subject line.  Of course, you need to set up your Kindle page so that you have an email address of the convert process.

-- wait a few minutes and the books will appear beautifully formatted like a nice Kindle book.

I have used this method to shift a small pile of Vyrso fiction books from Logos to my Kindle.  It is a little painful but worth it as I cannot read the books on Logos or Vyrso.  Kindle by contrast is wonderful !!!

PS. You could probably use Mellel and export as a .doc file, but Mellel just doesn't have the great importing support that Word has.

I don't know about the copyright restrictions.  I don't share these books with others and all have been paid for legally.

Your comments suggesting "just buy another copy" however may be fine for those in the USA who have too much money.  For the rest of us, perhaps you would like to gift all those Amazon copies to us.  I have recently bought about $300 New Zealand dollars on Logos books.  These were all on sale.  Amazon costs for replacing those books (giving me a needless 2nd copy) would probably cost you $500 USD ($700-$800 New Zealand dollars).  

Shall I send you my Amazon account so you can gift those books?

" rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus said:

Sir Maru said:

Doesn't this technique violate Logos and other other publisher copyright protections?

Noticed Logos article (EULA) => http://www.logos.com/ArticleViewer/2090 includes:

You may not:

-- reverse engineer, disassemble, decompile or make any attempt to "unlock" or circumvent the digital copyright protection of the Content.

Keep Smiling

 

That seems to confirm my initial premise.  Thanks.

Buying a second copy conforms to all present laws so far as I know and is the proper way to use eBooks with more than one brand of device or software.

Rob said:

 So what is the reality of the situation? Many are using Kindles and violating the letter of the law, but we do so anyway and don't share or copy or steal our books.  If Logos or the publishers were to prosecute, then they wouldn't since the cost would be too high, and probably they would lose in the court of public opinion.  I for one would stop purchasing from Logos and go elsewhere.

I would love to buy all my books from Logos as it keeps the dollars inside the Christian community where it is so needed.  Perhaps a dedicated Logos-Kindle would be a good future option?

 

Logos has a beta android app now for the Kindle Fire.  It still requires WiFi available for proper searches.  Thus, I've purchased equivalent Tecarta eBibles and eNotes from Amazon specifically designed for rapid searches on a Kindle Fire as a temporary measure to duplicate my Logos eBibles.  They each run $ 5.99 USD.  They do search super fast without WiFi being available.

As soon as Logos gets their android app to gold, I'll only be using my Logos resources on the Kindle Fire.  The Kindle Fire is far better than the Kindle Keyboards other than the glare problem.  That is easily correctible by using a glare shield as available here:

http://www.amazon.com/GreatShield-EZseal-Guaranteed-Anti-Glare-Protector/dp/B006NZ8YDG/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1332112374&sr=1-1

You did not itemize a single resource but approximated.  Kindle also has sales and price changes.  If a PUBLISHER requires a higher price than Amazon's, that is clerly stated and I probably would avoid that resource unless it was very necessary.

Anyway, we are only talking about a wait of a few months and Logos will have an app perfectly tailored for the Kindle Fire without WiFi being required for searches.

Mark Barnes said:

I currently have three copies of every single one of my resources, and five copies of some (home desktop, home laptop, work desktop, plus iPhone and/or iPad). This is all OK, because the EULA says "We hereby grant You a nonexclusive license to use the
Software and "unlocked" Content on the computer or computers used
primarily by You, the licensed user. (For example, on a home, office,
and laptop computer, all of which are used primarily by You.)"

But that could also be interpreted as including Kindles, could it not, so long as the Kindle is used primarily by you?

Think how nice it would be if there was an "Export to Kindle" in Logos.  Perhaps Logos could do this and DRM the exported book so it only worked on the owner's Kindles.  I would not even care if they exported the book in two halves and DRMed them to my Kindles, or time limited them as Lendle.me and Amazon do.

Rob said:

Well, I'm glad it works for you Sir Maru.  Living in the USA and having plenty of $$ must be nice.  I'm currently unemployed with a young family.  Hopefully I have a job starting in a few weeks.

People use Logos and eBooks using various devices.  As I said, I'm not using your tools and have no intention of changing my Kindles for a Kindle Fire just so I can read and search Logos books.

Rob, I'm not sure if this applies to Australia but in America one can purchase Amazon Prime for $ 80 per year.  With it one can BORROW at no cost up to one eBook per month and keep it out as long as one wants.  However, one must return it if one wants to take out another loaned eBook.

Publishers must give Amazon approval for their books to qualify for the Amazon Loan Program.  I use that program extensively and so does my wife.

Rosie Perera said:

Sir Maru said:

Buying a second copy conforms to all present laws so far as I know and is the proper way to use eBooks with more than one brand of device or software.

I presume the laws will catch up for eBooks eventually, as people who own a book they purchased ought to be able to read it on any device of theirs without paying for it again. Of course you are safer for now buying it again, and you might save yourself some time and have a better quality reading experience if you purchase it again. That's the same idea with buying the CD instead of making a recording off your old LP of some album and burning it as a CD, even though you would have been perfectly in legal rights to make your own copy. The purchased CD will probably be of better quality. As digital technology improves, though, laws will have to be rethought. The key is making sure that the creative people who make the content in the first place are not being cheated out of revenues they deserve.

Amazon sells all songs for 99 cents US each.  One does not have to buy the CD.  One gets that MP3 song as a download and can use it on any device by a single owner.  There is no copy protection on that MP3 file other than a 6 digit serial number which may not be removed.  That is why I buy all my songs from Amazon.  Apple, on the other hand, still uses a form of copy protection for the same songs.  Stripping out the Amazon 6 digit serial numbers from their songs would also probably violate their EULA.

Many song authors also now provide FREE downloads of some of their songs at their own sites and bypass the music publishers. They do that to promote their club dates and sales of other songs.

Logos also offers free books from time to time and has sales on other books.  All of these comply with the EULA if one does not strip out the copy protection.

Recently Amazon is now publishing eBooks directly and bypassing publishers entirely.  Those books are sold at a very low price and are just as good as any other books.

In the long run its far easier to comply with all the rules and use legal work arounds rather than buck the system.

Mark Barnes said:

Sir Maru said:

Stripping out copy protection still violates the EULA as demonstrated earlier in this thread.

Circumventing copy protection does violate the EULA. But using Logos' built in copy/paste and export features doesn't.

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27872/223644.aspx#223644

From that link: "I have no idea who this will antagonize or not. Some publishers, for example, are happy to support "buy once, read anywhere," others are not. (We can't even enable some books for iPhone access because of publisher restrictions.)"

In addition to the policy of the publishers there are jurisdictional laws to consider.  Australia may not allow this but the UK may allow it.  In the US we also have all kinds of laws including 50 different state laws.

The question is: does export of copyrighted material constitute violation of a copyright if its used by the licensee of the original material?  I have no answer to that question.  It is a legal question and, since I am not an attorney, I cannot answer it.

Amazon's own rules may prohibit export to a Kindle document of other copyrighted books.  Amazon has their own agreements with all the publishers all of which may be different.

On the Kindle Forums there is constant debate on whether using Caliber and other software to convert Sony, Barnes&Nobe and Kindle eBooks to each other's format is legal.  In my opinion this is dangerous territory best to be avoided until it is finally decided by international authorities.

My own policy is to simply buy another copy of a resource if I need it for a different device.  In fact eBibles for the Kindle Keyboard cannot be used properly on the Kindle Fire. Thus, I now own THREE copies of the major eBibles: Logos for the PC, Osnova for the Kindle Keyboard and Tecarta for the Kindle Fire.  Unfortunately for me my Bible Dictionary and Bible Encyclopedia only have editions for Logos on the PC and Osnova on the Kindle Keyboard.  I cannot yet get copies of those resources for the Kindle Fire from any source.

The only items I exported were my own Notes made on Logos for the PC which I had to email separately to the Kindle Keyboard and the Kindle Fire in the proper formats for each (different email addresses and processed differently by Amazon).

Sir Maru,

USA companies, for reasons I do not know, appear to treat the rest of the world like poo.  Amazon is a prime example of this.  They will not sell MP3s to the us, even though we can buy the MP3s from other places online like iTunes with no problems.  Many Kindle books are not available outside the USA, even though they can be bought here off-the-shelf or purchased from the book depository in the UK.

I may be wrong, but my guess would be that Amazon Prime will be restricted to USA and Canada.

FWIW I am very pro USA but it is very easy to understand why so many dislike the USA for the reasons I mention.  You guys export your filth all over the world but we cannot buy good books from Amazon.

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Rob said:

But this is surely a faith statement.  Begging, pleading, pressuring, these book and music industry giants is exactly what is needed isn't it?  Are these companies not at present facing the courts due to price fixing allegations?  

I have read elsewhere that the US Government is taking action against 5 publishers AND Apple for price fixing.  Amazon is NOT a target of that action.  In addition, prior to the Apple agreement with the publishers, ALL Amazon eBooks sold for $ 9.99 even if the pBooks cost $ 100.  After the Apple agreement Amazon now clearly displays on every book purchase page if the publisher imposed a price higher than the Amazon standard.  I never purchase eBooks if Amazon posted a warning like that.  In effect Amazon is waging a passive economic boycott against the price fixers.

Also, the Amazon Lending Program allows readers to borrow eBooks for no additional cost if they paid the $ 80 per year for the Amazon Prime Membership.  Publishers have to okay it but they benefit because many, who borrow eBooks, end up buying them if they later decide they want to keep the eBook permanently.

Finally, for the past few months authors now can sell directly through Amazon without going through publishers at all.  Those eBooks sell for a rock bottom price since the publishers do not get any cut on those eBooks.  In addition, Amazon prints pBook copies for those who want them.  Many best sellers can now be borrowed from the largest library in the world - Amazon.  In contrast to municipal libraries, there is no waiting time for borrowing any eBook.

I notice that even Logos has set up an internet site for its customers where they can read all purchased Bibles here: http://biblia.com/

Another site has been set up where hundreds of bibles in dozens of languages can now be read free of charge here: http://www.biblegateway.com/

If Christians want the Word, there are many places now where they can get it FREE if they just look.

The big value of Logos is its integration of thousands of resources into one application.  No one else can duplicate that.  Thus, once the Logos Android App goes Gold with full search capabilities across all its downloaded resources without the presence of WiFi, its own sales will probably explode.  All these other sources of the Word are separated and uncoordinated.  I'm still hoping we will see that happen before Easter of this year.

There is simply no need to export copyrighted eBooks to a Kindle if that action may violate the Amazon rules and countless juridictional rules at the present time.  One can temporarily obtain a legal free or low cost alternative until Logos gets its own Kindle Fire eBooks in shape.

Thanks for the post. I am seeking to do this for iBooks. However, I am having a problem setting the TOC. I am using Word 2011 (Mac). When right clicking, I do no get an option to Select text with similar formatting. Any suggestions on getting information for this step?

Just browsing the thread and looking at the original OP's description, what he's doing is no different from me copying the text so I can analyze it in a different program on my PC. Obviously Logos creates the means to do that; I don't remember what the guidance was for 'how much'. But given the functionality, I'd assume they have some type of agreement with the publishers.

Fr Devin Roza said:

Thanks, Mitchell. Great find! I had noticed that Table of Contents tab before in Calibre, but didn't know how to use it.

Happy to share what I've learned. Thank you so much for sharing the original process, it's been invaluable to me! I owe you a beer if you're ever in Pasadena.

Thank you for this guide
Just a small hint:
If you have a mouse where you can deactivate the clicks while scrolling (e.g. logitech mx anywhere), you can select a hundred pages within a few seconds. Just don't scroll to far or Logos will crash...