Eastern Orthodoxy glaringly absent from Logos?
I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos? While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find.
The Orthodox Study Bible, the Philokalia, books by Fathers after the end of the series like St. Maximus the Confessor, Simeon the New Theologian or Gregory Palamas, to name a few. Also, there are contemporary authors like Bishop Kallistos Ware, Vladmir Lossky, Alexander Schmeman, etc.
I know that there are often publisher concerns when Logos is unable to get certain books. But certainly some of the Easter Fathers after the 6th century are available in some form? It may be that there has not been a demand. If so, let me say that I would really like to see Logos' library be supplemented this way. As someone who has a deep respect and enjoyment for reading from the Eastern Christian authors, I can say with confidence I would buy a collection offering titles by Orthodox authors (provided I didn't already own the hardbacks).
Is there anything in the works in this area?
Thanks!
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I would welcome these resources even though I am Anglican, I own the OSB in Olivetree and find it very odd that Logos has yet to offer it seeing how much they offer by them. If the final volume of the Philokalia is ever released perhaps they will get enough interest to release the set in electronic format.
-Dan
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Clayton Tinervin said:
a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos?
Logos has underdevelopment of its first project with St. Vladimir's Seminary Press (Bzyantine Orthodox) - from the Popular Patristics series. They have available some materials from Gorgias Press (Church of the East/Syriac Orthodox). As the market expands I would expect Logos to expand the offerings.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I want Patrick Henry Reardon in logos. Great if somewhat short books. His Christ in the Psalms is wonderful.
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The multi-volume work by Metropolitan Hilarion looks like a great addition to Logos resources. It combines history and the theology of Orthodoxy. I would be really interested in getting it if it as good as the website shows.
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Right now the most glaring omission seems to be lack of Nelson's Orthodox Study Bible, since it has been released elsewhere in digital format (both ebook and in other Bible software).
-Dan
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Clayton Tinervin said:
I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos? While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find. . .
Logos welcomes users making suggestions about resources or publishers. I'm sure you could recommend these authors and even entire Orthodox publishing houses to Logos. Do so in the Suggestions forum.
Logos has been expanding it's resource base and recently made a large jump in the area of Roman Catholic theology/interests. It's even increasing it's market share among Roman Catholics. If the market is there for Orthodox resources, I'm sure Logos would want to explore its options and open negotiations with publishers.
In addition to making suggestions to Logos, make suggestions to the authors and publishers/copyright holders to partner with Logos in distributing their material. Keep at it. These negotiations can take time, but both Logos and publishers generally respond well to customer input.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Things really took off in the Catholic resources when Logos hired a full time Product person (Andrew Jones; he had a predecessor who was good but sadly I forgot his name). It may need Logos to hire a Orthodox product director for things to take off there as well, as I am sure the marketing folks are stretched way thin and whoever has Orthodox in their responsibilities probably has a dozen other things on that list too.
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PS - I too would be a big customer of quality Orthodox resources!
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Dominick Sela said:
he had a predecessor who was good but sadly I forgot his name).
I believe that Andrew is the first for whom it's been a full-time job. I suspect you are thinking of Louis St. Hilaire who is still very involved in producing Catholic resources.
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Welcome to the forums.
Clayton Tinervin said:I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos?
Too few Orthodox users. Until very recently there was a similar vacuum for Catholic resources, but MJ (and a few others) have been relentless in pushing for more, and when Andrew was hired as Catholic Products Manager 1.5 years ago things really started to take off, with a bit of an explosion in both Catholic resources and Catholic users.
MJ is also the one who's put Logos and St Vladimir's in touch. I imagine that once Popular Patristics Series, Part 1 (10 vols.) ships -- and provided both parties are still happy with each other -- we'll soon see the rest of that series on prepub, and then other St Vladimir titles, perhaps starting with Schmemann as he has been asked for by several Protestant users as well.
One good thing is that the vastly expanded Catholic userbase will help push Orthodox resources into production much faster, and the more they sell, the more Logos will put up for sale. And once they get there's money to be made, they'll probably start looking for an Orthodox Product Manager as well.
Clayton Tinervin said:While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find.
Have you found things like:
- The Didache: A Window on the Earliest Christians
- Baker Academic Early Church Collection (14 vols.)
- Gorgias Press Syriac Collection (9 vols.)
- The Philocalia of Origen
- The Works of St. Ephraim (4 vols.)
- John Chrysostom Collection (7 vols.)
- Eusebius of Caesarea Collection (6 vols.)
- Works of St. Cyril of Alexandria (6 vols.)
- The Works of Dionysius the Areopagite (2 vols.)
- Early Egyptian Monasticism Collection (5 vols.)
- The Major Works of Justin Martyr in Greek (3 vols.)
- Alexander Souter Studies in Early Christianity Collection (7 vols.)
- Theodore of Mopsuestia: Commentary on the Minor Pauline Epistles
- Patrologia Cursus Completus, Series Graeca, Part 1 (vols. 1–18)
- Text and Studies: Contributions to Biblical and Patristic Literature (29 vols.)
- Classic Studies on the Apostolic Fathers (29 vols.)
- Liturgies Eastern and Western Collection (2 vols.)
- A History of the Mass and Its Ceremonies in the Eastern and Western Church
You should make sure to keep an eye on Community Pricing, where older, Public Domain, works can be bought for often very good prices.
You should also take a look at the Suggestions forum. You can either search for older threads there and add your [Y] to books you want to see in Logos, or you can start a new thread listing them, and we'll add our [Y]'s. That forum is read by Logos staff that handles these things. Suggestions here in General are likely to get lost. You can also e-mail to suggest@logos.com.
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For those of you who haven't yet found out, there is now an Orthodox suggestion at Logos' new Uservoice site for prepubs: Add more Orthodox works, and also one for Patristics: Add more Patristic works. Please go add your votes. And then add the remainder of your votes to other suggestions -- preferably mine.
(There is also a new Uservoice site for CP's, with another ten new votes for you to spend: http://communitypricing.uservoice.com/forums/183260-general/filters/top.)
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Clayton,
I know this is a few months late, but I wanted to let you know that Logos has brought me on board for just this purpose (Announcement on my blog: http://onbehalfofall.org/2013/03/25/a-personal-announcement/).
I am relocating to the Bellingham area soon, and will be very focused on dramatically expanding the selection of Orthodox books and resources for the Logos ecosystem. Please stay tuned, and follow both Logos and my personal blog (www.onbehalfofall.org) for updates! Please feel free to contact me with any specific requests or ideas you might have. My ears are open.
Have a blessed Great Lent.
In peace,
Gabe
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Fantastic Gabe and welcome aboard. First question - how do you want us to refer to the Far Eastern Orthodox as opposed to the Byzantine Orthodox? Just want to keep you on your toes.[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Fantastic Gabe and welcome aboard. First question - how do you want us to refer to the Far Eastern Orthodox as opposed to the Byzantine Orthodox? Just want to keep you on your toes.
Well, if one goes far east enough, they are again in the west. However, I think you are referring to the Oriental Orthodox, so to speak? Am I correct?
Thank you for the welcome, by the way! [:)]
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Gabe Martini said:
Am I correct?
You passed[:D] I've found it amusing that the three great threads of the Church are usually referred to as Western, Byzantine and Eastern. But the Byzantine thread becomes Eastern Orthodox forcing the Eastern tradition to be called Oriental. Whereupon, the best known Oriental Orthodox Church - the Copts - have somehow migrated from Africa to the Orient?[:^)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Welcome Gabe!!!
I sincerely hope that we will be able to keep you busy. But a good busy
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Welcome Gabe. MJ has taught me a lot about the various branches of Christianity outside of the western world. She has a long way to go, as I did not pay too much attention in church history class, and have not really dug into my church history books in Logos.
Perhaps a blog (for the lazy) on the differences on the three branches mentioned above and why they matter.
Once again welcome to the forums.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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This could be an exciting development. I really don't know much about Eastern Orthodox but would be interested in reading more.
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Welcome aboard Gabe! May God grant you many Years!
So glad to have you, looking forward to seeing the fruits of your work.
Will start setting aside funds-smile.
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Gabe Martini said:
Clayton,
I know this is a few months late, but I wanted to let you know that Logos has brought me on board for just this purpose (Announcement on my blog: http://onbehalfofall.org/2013/03/25/a-personal-announcement/).
I am relocating to the Bellingham area soon, and will be very focused on dramatically expanding the selection of Orthodox books and resources for the Logos ecosystem. Please stay tuned, and follow both Logos and my personal blog (www.onbehalfofall.org) for updates! Please feel free to contact me with any specific requests or ideas you might have. My ears are open.
Have a blessed Great Lent.
In peace,
Gabe
Welcome Gabe!
And, I look forward to seeing what you'll have to offer us.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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MJ. Smith said:
Whereupon, the best known Oriental Orthodox Church - the Copts - have somehow migrated from Africa to the Orient?
Wikipedia (my bold):
In European historiography the meaning of "the Orient" changed in scope several times. Originally the term referred to Egypt, the Levant, and adjoining areas.[2] Later the term became synonymous with Islam and Judaism and its scope expanded both eastward and westward to include all non-European areas of Eurasian civilization, including North Africa as far west as Morocco.[2] During the 1800s India, and to a lesser extent China, began to displace the Levant as the primary subject of Orientalist research. By the mid-20th century Western scholars generally considered "the Orient" as just East Asia, Southeast Asia, and eastern Central Asia.[2] As recently as the early 20th century the term "Orient" continued to often used in ways that included North Africa and even parts of southeastern Europe. Today the term primarily evokes images of China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, and peninsular Southeast Asia.[2] Throughout the history of the changing sense of the term, "the Orient" was never equivalent to Asia as a whole. "The Orient" being largely a cultural term, large parts of Asia—Siberia most notably—were excluded from the scholarly notion of "the Orient".[2]
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Welcome indeed! I had assumed it would take another year or two before Logos hired someone for the Orthodox market. I thought they would expand the Jewish one first.
I'll write more later. Right now I have to prepare for Mass.
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Peace to all! Welcome, Gabe! Every Blessing to you and your family! Just said a brief prayer asking our Gracious God to keep you well and enthusiastic and in good health and protect and bless you and your family! *smile* .... Always Joy in the Lord!!!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:
Welcome aboard Gabe! May God grant you many Years!
So glad to have you, looking forward to seeing the fruits of your work.
Will start setting aside funds-smile.
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace to all! Welcome, Gabe! Every Blessing to you and your family! Just said a brief prayer asking our Gracious God to keep you well and enthusiastic and in good health and protect and bless you and your family! *smile* .... Always Joy in the Lord!!!
Thank you!
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Thank you, all, for the warm welcome. I hope that we can deliver on any and all expectations. :-)
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Gabe Martini said:
I hope that we can deliver on any and all expectations. :-)
I promise that our expectations are so high you have no chance of matching them - which is a very good thing for my bank account. Just make sure your priorities are Orthodox, Orthodox, Orthodox, Lutheran, Lutheran, Reformed. [;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Gabe Martini said:
I hope that we can deliver on any and all expectations. :-)
I promise that our expectations are so high you have no chance of matching them - which is a very good thing for my bank account. Just make sure your priorities are Orthodox, Orthodox, Orthodox, Lutheran, Lutheran, Reformed.
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Gabe,
Welcome! This is very exciting!
I'm hopeful that there will be resources available soon to make for easy study in this area. While I have already purchased several resources, I am hoping to do my M.A. thesis on hesychasm, and would absolutely love to have access to relevant Orthodox works.
I pray that your work will be enjoyable and fruitful!
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Clayton Tinervin said:
Gabe,
Welcome! This is very exciting!
I'm hopeful that there will be resources available soon to make for easy study in this area. While I have already purchased several resources, I am hoping to do my M.A. thesis on hesychasm, and would absolutely love to have access to relevant Orthodox works.
I pray that your work will be enjoyable and fruitful!
Thank you, Clayton. I am sure we will have several works that can help in that regard!
In peace,
Gabe
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Welcome, Gabe! This is great news.
Do a Google search for orthodox site:community.logos.com and page through the results to find several other threads where people requested specific Orthodox resources. Here are a few key ones right off the bat:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/65517.aspx
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28276.aspx
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1096.aspx
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1096.aspx
There are probably more.
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I'm sure the duplicate in Rosie's list meant to go to http://community.logos.com/forums/p/23507/175183.aspx
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No, but that's another good one. This one is the one my duplicate was meant to be:
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These are all great suggestions, thank you! I have quite a list going as well, and I can't wait to share more with everyone! [:)]
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Gabe Martini said:
These are all great suggestions, thank you! I have quite a list going as well, and I can't wait to share more with everyone!
Looking forward to it!
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Rosie Perera said:Gabe Martini said:
These are all great suggestions, thank you! I have quite a list going as well, and I can't wait to share more with everyone!
Looking forward to it!
Me too!
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I would love to be able to carry the Chrysostom Press series of commentaries, as well as the works on the Lives of the Saints. Thanks for all of your suggestions, these are great! Feel free to contact me any time with more!
Gabe
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Those would be fantastic!
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I had the thought a while ago, and cannot remember if I posted it. Has a Bishop Kallistos Ware collection been proposed? I think that would be very beneficial.
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Clayton Tinervin said:
I had the thought a while ago, and cannot remember if I posted it. Has a Bishop Kallistos Ware collection been proposed? I think that would be very beneficial.
Many of his works are found with many different publishers, so it is a little trickier. We will do everything we can to make his stuff available, however.
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Gabe Martini said:Clayton Tinervin said:
I had the thought a while ago, and cannot remember if I posted it. Has a Bishop Kallistos Ware collection been proposed? I think that would be very beneficial.
Many of his works are found with many different publishers, so it is a little trickier. We will do everything we can to make his stuff available, however.
Do them as one-offs if necessary. Logos's predilection for putting out authors' works at first only in a large collection of lots of their works sometimes makes me scratch my head. When I used to buy books in print format, I would always start with one of an author's books first to see if I liked it and wanted more before buying others. I would never buy up a whole bunch of them at a time. I know things are slightly different in the digital world when you can take a look first (but you could always browse through a book in the bookstore too; I still wouldn't buy several books by the same author all at once if I were only sampling that author for the first time). Having to wait until the collections are broken down to buy any books by an author is a bummer.
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I promise I won't make a post for every new book, but since we're just building up our Orthodox library (and for those interested), we now have Scripture and Tradition by Edith M. Humphrey (an Orthodox Christian) available on pre-pub.
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That looks like an excellent book.
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Rosie Perera said:
I still wouldn't buy several books by the same author all at once if I were only sampling that author for the first time)
Agree absolutely [Y]
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Rosie Perera said:
Do them as one-offs if necessary. Logos's predilection for putting out authors' works at first only in a large collection of lots of their works sometimes makes me scratch my head. When I used to buy books in print format, I would always start with one of an author's books first to see if I liked it and wanted more before buying others. I would never buy up a whole bunch of them at a time. I know things are slightly different in the digital world when you can take a look first (but you could always browse through a book in the bookstore too; I still wouldn't buy several books by the same author all at once if I were only sampling that author for the first time). Having to wait until the collections are broken down to buy any books by an author is a bummer.
Rosie,
I was simply responding to Clayton's inquiry into a Met. KALLISTOS collection.
I agree that there are many instances where it is wiser to release individual volumes as opposed to collections. I will definitely keep this feedback in mind for future Orthodox product launches! [:)]
In peace,
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While we are waiting for Logos to get it the Orthodox study Bible is only 3.99 on Kindle Today.
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David Kirk Davis said:
While we are waiting for Logos to get it the Orthodox study Bible is only 3.99 on Kindle Today.
Where do you find that?
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