Windows 8 RT App Available - Bible! by Logos Bible Software
Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)
This is a very early release with limited functionality, but it does let you read and navigate books, sync last read location with other Logos products, etc. Our team is working hard to add more functionality, including notes, highlighting, etc.
The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use.
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-US/app/bible/c54ee3d8-1ccb-4265-89ae-41ffb92f65e0
We also have a Windows 8-only "Verse of the Day" application that does run on Surface:
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-in/app/verse-of-the-day/cb3a23bd-c12a-4e15-b7fa-322b2e5b1236
If you like either app, a rating/review would be helpful. (And If you feel you can't give a good review of the Bible! app until it does everything the 3 year-old iOS mobile app does, we'd appreciate your holding your review until a future release! :-) We know it only has a subset of the planned functionality right now.)
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Hi Bob
I don't have a Windows 8 system to try it on but congratulations for getting it out there so quickly.
Graham
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Graham, where is the like button when you need it?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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This is a nice approach to building something for the Metro interface without trying to replicate the full desktop app experience. I had wondered how you guys were going to handle that.
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Thanks Bob and Team Logos for doing yet another cutting edge and timely product that helps and excites us all (save Apple fanboys and girls! [;)]) I don't ever want to take all that you all do for granted.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Dan DeVilder said:
Thanks Bob and Team Logos for doing yet another cutting edge and timely product that helps and excites us all (save Apple fanboys and girls!
) I don't ever want to take all that you all do for granted.I am very glad that Logos is working on making APPs for all users even though I am Mac person/iPAD fan, for all those who are not i am happy Bob is working on making you happy.
-Dan
PS: Don't consider myself an Apple Fanboy since while i believe they make top quality products, they have often in the past made mistakes and even today have made choices showing how stubborn they can be.
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I am interested in buying a surface that uses the ARM chip, having the Logos app is one of my desires for what I finally choose. I'm glad to hear you are working on it.
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this is great news.... just finished installing the bible app... a version for WP8 will be a great addition!
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I've been running/testing this on a Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T. (That's a mouthful--the long and short is: a 11.6" tablet running the new Intel Clovertrail chipset, i.e., a dual core x86 CPU that gives comparable battery life to ARM processors, while being somewhat faster.)
It's a good first step, but still terribly short of what's available in Android and iOS. For instance, unless I'm totally missing something, you can't download resources to use offline. In fact, the app doesn't start properly without an internet connection. Even with a fairly fast connection, page turning is slow. But I'm looking forward to future improvements. If Logos can bring this to at least the level of what is offered in the Android app, it would be wonderful already. Keep up the good work.
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Apologies for OT but I would like to ask you about Samsung ATIV 500T.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/tablet-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specsI am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...
What is your opinion based on your personal experience with 500T?
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I've not tried installing it, but I do not expect that full Logos will be very usable on the 500T. (One consideration is disk space--out of box, there is about 25GB of free space. But I've since added a 64GB Microsd.) But who knows. And now that you have got me thinking, I might try installing it and see how it goes. Give me a few days.
ADDENDUM: Considering that my Logos installation is some 14.4 GB and I have 18.5 GB left on my C: Drive on the 500T, and Logos4 installs to C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Logos4 (i.e., I don't think it installs to removable media)--I don't find the exercise all that appealing... So, sorry, don't think I'll do it after all. My opinion for now: it's a negative...
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OK, never mind. Thanks anyway.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)
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The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use....
I'm glad to see Logos moving into that space, and a bit surprised by the future RT support--but happy to see it, esp if it doubles for WinPhone8.
Even better is a tablet-friendly GUI.
I'm sad to hear the full functionality won't be there though...that is why I still carry a laptop around.
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Pavel Škoda said:
I am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...
The 500T could have been considered with a 96-128 GB SSD. The 700T should be OK.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bob Pritchett said:
Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)
This is a very early release with limited functionality, but it does let you read and navigate books, sync last read location with other Logos products, etc. Our team is working hard to add more functionality, including notes, highlighting, etc.
The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use.
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-US/app/bible/c54ee3d8-1ccb-4265-89ae-41ffb92f65e0
We also have a Windows 8-only "Verse of the Day" application that does run on Surface:
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-in/app/verse-of-the-day/cb3a23bd-c12a-4e15-b7fa-322b2e5b1236
If you like either app, a rating/review would be helpful. (And If you feel you can't give a good review of the Bible! app until it does everything the 3 year-old iOS mobile app does, we'd appreciate your holding your review until a future release! :-) We know it only has a subset of the planned functionality right now.)
The article,"Windows 8 vs. Windows RT: It matters. Let's explain,"
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/24/technology/enterprise/windows-8-windows-rt-difference/index.html
says:
"Only one -- Windows 8 -- supports legacy apps, but both Windows 8 and
Windows RT run the new brand of Start apps, which will likely become the
standard form of Windows app going forward."Legacy apps implies older apps, but Start apps doesn't seem to cover all the new apps. Where do new apps written for Windows 8 fall? In other words, will the same Logos software eventually be able to run on Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT? My guess is the software you write for Windows RT will be able to run on Windows 8, but you will need to support the older Windows versions for years to come. However, is it even feasible to write the fully functional Logos software so that it can run the same version on Windows 8 and Windows RT?
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Pavel Škoda said:
Apologies for OT but I would like to ask you about Samsung ATIV 500T.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/tablet-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specsI am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...
What is your opinion based on your personal experience with 500T?
It appears possible because this is an Atom CPU (x86, not ARM compatible) running the 32bit Window 8 not RT. (i.e. it runs legacy Windows software.) It should run. The question is how well. You probably want at least a 32G microSD card to hold books, unless you only have a few. It probably will be slow compared to many new computers, but many old computers running 32bit Windows and 2GB RAM now running Logos software probably doesn't run any faster. I've run Logos 4 on a single-core desktop with WinXP 32bit and 2GB RAM, and it runs OK. Reviews claim Windows 8 runs faster than XP. You're main limitation will be the 64G SSD. You might do OK. If not, move your books to the microSD.
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HUI-CHIEH LOY said:
I've not tried installing it, but I do not expect that full Logos will be very usable on the 500T. (One consideration is disk space--out of box, there is about 25GB of free space. But I've since added a 64GB Microsd.) But who knows. And now that you have got me thinking, I might try installing it and see how it goes. Give me a few days.
ADDENDUM: Considering that my Logos installation is some 14.4 GB and I have 18.5 GB left on my C: Drive on the 500T, and Logos4 installs to C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Logos4 (i.e., I don't think it installs to removable media)--I don't find the exercise all that appealing... So, sorry, don't think I'll do it after all. My opinion for now: it's a negative...
Install the software on the SSD and put the books on the microSD. Most of the space is probably your books.
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Good idea. I might try that. Thanks.
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Perry Webb said:
Install the software on the SSD and put the books on the microSD.
The Logos software and books are both installed to the same folder! I'm not saying that you can't change that, but it's not possible using the Logos installer. So install to the SSD and then move the books (10 GB for me) to the microSD. That would leave me with 4 GB on the SSD (software, documents & indexes), but you initially need the room for the full installation + indexing. However, the resources will be accessed at speeds 3 - 5x slower than a HDD; not good for fast searches
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I've installed Logos to the MicroSD (i.e.,
\logos4\). I don't know of any way to have the logos program in one location and the resources in another, but you can choose where to install to during setup.The long and short: it's very slow. It is taking a long time "preparing your library". So I'm not optimistic that it will be very usable even after everything settles down (all updated installed, indexed, etc.). Will report back later, assuming that the "preparing" will come to a happy end...
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HUI-CHIEH LOY said:
I've installed Logos to the MicroSD (i.e.,
\logos4\). I don't know of any way to have the logos program in one location and the resources in another,You might have missed my post above. If you want to have the installation as I suggested just ask, but will it all fit on the SSD?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I saw it just after posting my own comment. Yes, it will all fit on the SSD (with about 4GB to spare; neat idea using mklink--now why didn't I think of that...). I'll give it a try later--doesn't look as if my installation on the MicroSD will come out of "preparing your library". Thanks.
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HUI-CHIEH LOY said:
I'll give it a try later--doesn't look as if my installation on the MicroSD will come out of "preparing your library".
It would be advantageous to allow it to finish as you could use Method 2 to essentially move the installation to the SSD (no indexing and downloading), whilst also leaving the resources on the MicroSD (with mklink providing the link).
If you have to abort the present indexing, it will be very tight to re-install on SSD. Ideally you should not go beyond 80% full and there is the risk you will run out of disk space between the downloading and the indexing as they need temporary file space. It would be better to build your system on another computer and then use Method 2.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Actually, I did have "method 2" in mind, transferring the files from one of my desktop pc installations. In fact, I've successfully done it--all to the SSD--though I have not downloaded or installed any updates.
The verdict so far--it's not really worth the trouble (at least for me). It's just too sluggish overall, and not optimized for touch (e.g., scrolling). And that's having the whole thing reside on the SSD. Will keep it around for a bit more to test but I don't think it will stay there too long.
Looks like I will be waiting for a more mature version of Bible!
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Hui-Chieh,
I posted in this thread, http://community.logos.com/forums/t/65924.aspx, my experience with trying to get Logos on my ASUS VivoTab Smart tablet, with Z2760 Atom processor, without using up all the SSD drive space. Specific post, http://community.logos.com/forums/p/65924/480249.aspx#480249. VivoTab Smart tablet has 64 GB SSD and 49 GB are available for operating system and programs and documents. Installing LOGOS can be a problem and I tried installing to microSD card with the same results found in the current thread, i.e., doesn't finish indexing even after a day and a half. A "junction" (mklink) can be created to a new location for resources on the microSD card, but that also did not work. I solved the problem by installing many apps to the microSD card using Portable Apps including Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome and others. These worked from the microSD card as well as they did from the SSD drive so I uninstalled all those programs from the SSD to free up space.
Also, moved my "Documents" folder to the microSD card. One method here, which involves booting from Windows 8 install CD, using command line to create new USER Profiles on the microSD card, then create mklink to new User Profiles, and then delete Users from the C:\ drive. Another method is to right click on "My Documents" in File Explorer, choose "Properties," in the dialogue box choose the "Location" tab, in the "Location" tab choose "Move" button, whereupon you will be asked for the new location.
Doing both these workarounds can free up enough space to install and run Logos from its default location on the SSD drive while leaving adequate space for the OS on the SSD drive.
Bottom line is: Logos does not like to run from non-default locations, but other programs and files can be moved to microSD card so Logos can run in its default location.
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