Linux version of Logos Bible Software
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Apropos nothing in particular, anyone heard of Google Chrome?
Whether my assertions about current non-Windows OS useage stand up to close statistical scrutiny wider than my own network or not, Linux derivatives seem to be the future for PCs as money is supporting their development and distribution from the likes of Canonical and now a heavyweight like Google.
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AndrewJAllcock said:
Whether my assertions about current non-Windows OS useage stand up to close statistical scrutiny wider than my own network or not, Linux derivatives seem to be the future for PCs as money is supporting their development and distribution from the likes of Canonical and now a heavyweight like Google.
Hi Andrew
My personal experience here in the UK contrasts with yours in that I do not know any Christians who use Linux and all those who have tried it have abandoned it as unusable. Whilst there may be a number of challengers to Windows on the horizon I think that Windows will remain dominant for some years to come. In Logos terms I don't expect that change to occur before Bob and the team are working on the design of version 5 and when it does occur I think we will find that much of the software we are using will be delivered on a 'Software As A Service' basis, something that Bob has already alluded to, where the underlying platform becomes irrelevant to the end user (us) and all we need is a system that runs a browser and is effectively a smart terminal.
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Graham Owen said:
My personal experience here in the UK contrasts with yours in that I do not know any Christians who use Linux and all those who have tried it have abandoned it as unusable.
I agree. I have a ton of techno programmer/developer friends and only one of them uses Linux as a desktop... oddly enough, even though they write open source programmes, they use Windows as their desktop and a few have moved to Mac in the last couple of years. The one friend that I do have that uses Linux for a desktop, would never consider paying money for Logos Bible Software. In fact, he pretty much believes in not paying for software, so he uses open source.
The trouble I see is that the average consumer just wants to buy a computer configured and use it. I know there are a growing number of netbooks and even mainstream PCs coming with Linux preloaded, but this is still arguably a very small percentage of the market. (I don't have access to any hard stats on this). Also, I think a lot of times consumers just buy what they know. They used a Windows PC at work, so they buy one for the home. They aren't really that fussed about what is superior technology or even a bit cheaper. They certainly in most cases aren't going to set up a dual boot, or even more drastic, format their windows hard drive to put Linux on.
Don't get me wrong, I love open source. I was using Linux before the media even figured out it existed quite some years ago (though I prefer FreeBSD). However, unless there are substantial changes in the market base, we won't see a lot of niche software like Logos on Linux. Perhaps Google and others will challenge the dominance of Windows, but I would guess we are looking at least five years away, probably 10.
The in the meantime, the answer is Virtual machines like Fusion, codeweavers, etc. which allow us to run Logos on Linux boxes. I would guess the trouble is with some of these solutions it is near impossible to expect Logos to provide technical support for Logos not running in a native environment, particularly for something like codeweavers. There are too many variables and possible Linux distros, configurations of hardware, etc. Certainly if someone were to post a problem with running Logos under one of these virtual machines on these forums, only a very small percentage of users would be able to answer.
I do agree though with some of the sentiment. Things are changing and no one knows where we are heading. Alternative OSes have not weakened, but strengthened in recent years. OSX was almost gone, but has made a huge comeback credit to some ingenuous work, moving to the Intel chipset and being based on BSD. Linux has made HUGE strides in being almost a one click install and certainly has made a huge impact in the server market. Google just announced this week that they were going to release their own OS for netbooks next year. So we'll see where this goes.....
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Perhaps the conversation should progress in a new direction. It does appear to be unwise to switch platforms from MS to Linux because there are many many who use MS. Rather I am wondering if Logos could design Libronix in the future to work across platforms. In other words, whether one has a Mac, PC, whether one uses Linux or MS or another operating system, the program has been streamlined to install on all of them.
Once again I am not an expert in this field so I just brainstorm suggestions which may or may not be helpful. Cloud computing of course works regardless of OS and I guess I am becoming convinced that cloud computing should be an option. But I like the idea that it is not the only opiton and that we could have our purchased books downloaded. I would say, however, that if the cloud computing option is an option, why not build Libronix to be able to work offline as well regardless of os. Does that make sense?
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MarkSwaim said:
Once again I am not an expert in this field so I just brainstorm suggestions which may or may not be helpful. Cloud computing of course works regardless of OS and I guess I am becoming convinced that cloud computing should be an option. But I like the idea that it is not the only opiton and that we could have our purchased books downloaded. I would say, however, that if the cloud computing option is an option, why not build Libronix to be able to work offline as well regardless of os. Does that make sense?
One possibility is to use Java. The trouble is in my opinion, is that I have never found an application that I really liked on Java. I know this is subjective, but it seems like there are compromises being cross platform in the design and integration into the host Operating System. In other words, Java apps always felt like they were really integrated. They looked different and lacked the polish. So far, I feel the same way about cloud computing. I guess the value here is that when I am working on my Mac, I want Logos to really be a full fledged Mac programme. Or when I am working on my wife's Vista desktop, I really want it to be a full fledged Vista application. So I guess what I am saying is that part of the beauty of Logos is that it looks and feels like it belongs in both those environments.
Good news is that without a doubt, things are continually developing and perhaps new things are around the corner.
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You can develop in a cross platform way, and they have toolkits and other items that help you do this. On the other hand, the majority of developers know and Love the Windows environment. Learning the cross-platform environment takes time and effort, and since they already have a working program, the motivation is low.
Also, be clear, the Windows OS is not always easier, in fact, it is a more difficult install for most general purpose applications. For every computer that I have ever built, to make Windows work with a fresh install, I must find, download, and manually install system specific drivers. Until I do, I typically do not have access to things such as networking. Linux, however, includes most of their drivers with the installation, so most things just work. On the other hand, when they don't work with Linux, well, you may be out of luck.
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Dave Hooton said:
Neither will the economy provide a boost, except that Linux distros improve their installation and provide an overall interface that functions in ways similar to Windows! It seems to be getting there with Ubuntu.
I've got 3 x Linux in my virtual machine on Win XP. I'm really impressed with the latest versions of Mint & Ubuntu because of their Windows-like behaviour during installation and when installing another package (I did not have to know about required components). Not so with Debian, and OpenSUSE was comparable to Vista in suggesting (for Linux) 1 GB of memory! Also, go figure why Debian's browser is called IceWeasel when the other's call the same browser Firefox!
Dave
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Yueh said:
Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.
Anyone share the same view?
I face the same problem. I want to get rid of Windows, but Logos prevents me.
Ubuntu!
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My solution is to not run Logos. There are other solutions that work just fine on Linux. My opinion, however, is that they are not as nice, which is why I still have the software sitting on my shelf unused years later. If it were more important, I would install Windows in a VM.
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Logos should go in the direction of cloud computing like the rest of the world. I am sure that they have already considered it. Sites like the ESV study Bible, etc, are where it will be at in the next few years.
- Bill
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Cloud computing is fine if you have a fast and reliable internet connection with a big download limit, but not everyone has that.
Regards,
Nigel
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How does cloud computing apply to Logos?
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WilliamLaky said:
Logos should go in the direction of cloud computing like the rest of the world.
Which world do you belong to?
Remember that user files in the cloud have limitations; size is one, privacy another and the fact you cannot use it offline.
Dave
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AndrewPitonyak said:
How does cloud computing apply to Logos?
Thankfully, Logos see it as an adjunct to what we keep on our PC - look for posts from Bob Pritchett (Logos CEO) e.g. Conceivably, we could deliver some richer experience through Moonlight,
since we'll be using .NET technology moving forward (in relation to Logos on Linux).Dave
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My feelings on this are quite strong, and very simple.
I will *never* choose to pay for software that is outside of MY control.
Once I buy it, I own the rights to it (for my use, that is). A cloud environment allows someone to take away my use of it if they choose - and my only recourse would be legal action.
I will *never* willingly put myself into that situation, if any other option (such as harcover) exists.
Period.=============
Redeeming the time (Eph.5:16+Col.4:5) ... Win 10, iOS & iPadOS 16
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JimDean said:
My feelings on this are quite strong, and very simple.
I agree, including the Period[:)] I like to keep my feet on firm ground.
Dave
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JimDean said:
My feelings on this are quite strong, and very simple. I will *never* choose to pay for software that is outside of MY control. Once I buy it, I own the rights to it (for my use, that is). A cloud environment allows someone to take away my use of it if they choose - and my only recourse would be legal action. I will *never* willingly put myself into that situation, if any other option (such as harcover) exists. Period.
They can take my Logos off my computer when they pry my cold dead hands off the keyboard.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Bob Pritchett said:
(Conceivably, we could deliver some
richer experience through Moonlight, since we'll be using .NET
technology moving forward. We'll have to see.)Actually
I was waiting for a comment like that one Bob. With the shift away
from Com/IE backbone I would anticipate that Mono/moonlight and
wine/crossover may have a much better chance of running Libronix
natively on Linux.I wonder about the potential of hiring one
Linux UberGeek once 4.0 is out the door. Tell him His job is to work
with crossover/wine and make it work. Give him a set period of time to
do everything he can do.Of course it's possible that Mono has already done the work necessary to bring Libronix to Linux.
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There is also the security privacy concern with cloud computing, at least for now.
Brian Whalen
http://www.mcnazarene.com
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George Somsel said:JimDean said:
My feelings on this are quite strong, and very simple. I will *never* choose to pay for software that is outside of MY control. Once I buy it, I own the rights to it (for my use, that is). A cloud environment allows someone to take away my use of it if they choose - and my only recourse would be legal action. I will *never* willingly put myself into that situation, if any other option (such as harcover) exists. Period.
They can take my Logos off my computer when they pry my cold dead hands off the keyboard.
Add my vote to the "No Cloud, Never, Ever" list
Jack
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JackCaviness said:
Add my vote to the "No Cloud, Never, Ever" list
Maybe in another 10 years North America, Europe and parts of Asia will have 100% internet coverage through some form, but at the present moment there are too many places that I go that don't have access. Presumably, a percentage of Logo's customers live permanently in these areas that don't have internet access, and that's before we start to take into consideration missionaries, Bible translators, etc. who span the globe working in non-connected areas. To have to be tethered to the internet to use my Bible programme would not be a good thing. I could see the lines getting blurred in the future, but in the foreseeable future there has to be an offline mode. Even with Google apps, I can access my calendar, contacts and email without having to connect.
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The internet can be a distraction for me, so often I take my laptop to a place without any internet to do my sermon preparation, Doctoral studies, etc. I also spend time at my parents house, and they have no internet connection. Being permanently tied to the internet, is not a positive for me personally.0
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Hi all!
I too am hanging out for a Linux version. I realise that the market share is probably not high enough to make a full port commercially viable right now. But I suspect that getting it to run under wine would not involve that many man hours. (Then again, who knows! From experience, these things tend to escalate!)
A year or so ago, I managed to at least get the basic interface up and running (ie. the main window showed; minus all toolbars etc.) Every now and again I jump in and spend one of my days off trying to diagnose exactly where wine is falling short.
I guess I'll just keep trying with each new version of wine!
Niholas
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Ok....dumb question:
What is the advantage of running Libronix using VMware/Windows?
Why not dual-boot?
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
Ok....dumb question:
What is the advantage of running Libronix using VMware/Windows?
Why not dual-boot?
Dual booting separates your operating systems of course and creates a very real possibility of having documents in one OS (Linux) and Libronix in the other OS (Windows). Now if you're writing a document and need to research something you have to reboot your system into another OS to research and then hope you can remember it well enough to get back to your word processor when you reboot again.
It is possible to install two instances of your word processor (Say OpenOffice.org) in both Windows and Linux and then make your documents accessible from both OS' but then you lose the benefit of one OS or the other depending on which one you are using.
Virtual computing (VMWARE - etc) enable you to share the benefits of multiple OS simultaneously.
For example, boot into Linux as your base operating system, load a virtual system (e.g. windows + Libronix) and get all the security benefits of Linux and the programs you prefer while still having access to Libronix in it's native (windows) environment. Properly set up you can then share your clipboard contents from one OS to the Other and voila, all the benefits of both OS' are yours.
This all may become moot if Moonlight and Mono can run Libronix 4 in Linux, but we'll have to wait at least until some kind of beta stage to begin testing that. Or perhaps wait until full gold release.
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The only advantage would be that you do not need to dual boot. Windows has sometimes responded poorly to a dual boot and over-written the dual boot loaders...
Of course, the disadvantage to VMWare, is that running directly is more performant.
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2 things:
1) I say NO to cloud computing. My internet went out yesterday for several hours. If Logos had been in the cloud, I could not have done my study. That would not have been a good day.
2) I will probably be revealing huge ignorance with this idea, but here goes: Rather than write a new Logos for Linix, is it possible to write some sort of porting software to make the windows version work? Kind of like a custom version of Wine? It would only be for Linux and would do nothing to help other windows programs. I would pay for it. Seems like an easier and cheaper way to get it done - if it can be done at all.
I want to switch over to Linux via Ubuntu, but Logos is the only thing keeping me from making the jump. I will give you money for this Logos! [8-|]Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Hiya Jerry,
1 - couldn't agree with you more.
2 - writing a custom version of wine just doesn't make sense, I'm afraid. In the windows world, things are pretty interconnected. Porting software just for Libronix would end up looking like just a subset of wine! I think the best bet is getting Wine (or the Codeweavers version of it, at least!) to run Libronix properly. Believe it or not, it's not that far away. Might I suggest heading over to Codeweavers and casting your vote? If lots of people do that, the developers of wine might find some justification for working on getting it running!
Nicholas
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How about writing logos for linux so I can run it under maemo with the Nokia N900 phone.
Actually, a lot of the linux development can be cross compiled onto Macs and PCs, but not the other way around. It's probably too late for this, but I wished that when they developed logos for Mac, they done it with a more linux centric view and also allow it to compiled to the MAC (and PC) platform in addition to linux.
Right now, that's they only thing that's keeping me from switching to linux. (I did run linux for awhile, but running logos under vmware is too slow, and dual boot is too cumbersome).
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I doubt we'll see a 100% cloud experience with Logos anytime soon, but I'm figuring that there will be some kind of hybrid functionality. I wouldn't be surprised if the online stuff isn't so much a replacement for the the current experience as it is a supplement to it. For every Logos user who has experienced an internet service outage, how many have experienced a situation where they did not have access to their computer? It would be nice to have some kind of online access. For example, if I were to buy a netbook, I might not even want to install a full version of Logos, just as I might not want to install Microsoft Office; but it would be nice to have some kind of online version that I can sign into in order to access at least some books. I can see me using something like that in conjunction with Google Docs or the upcoming online version of Office in a pinch.
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Yes but Bob, the same thing was said about Mac and look what a success that was. Lunix and iPhone could be the next big thing for Logos. :-)
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Add one more to that Linux count. My church/staff is going Linux for a variety of reasons.
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Yes, I would love to see a Linux version of Logos. I too am stuck using a dual boot/virtual machine for Logos with Linux -- it's not ideal.
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You know, you all could just switch to Mac and have all the benefits of a UNIX system and Logos...more customers might get the Mac Engine up to par with Windows faster[8o|] I do admit that last remark was kind of selfish...[:$]
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I suppose it is possible, but not likely. Bob has said recently that this is not a direction they will be pursuing right now because the market is simply not there. Unless...
Some smart guys have written something to get the windows version to run under Linux. That would be pretty cool. If not Linux, then what?
Prob. nothing to do with Mac. They just released an update to that. Maybe another super-good deal like the Luther collection this summer or the past Christmas offers. I wish I would have had the money when they did those.
I will hope for some movement in the Linux direction. But I am not staying up until 2am!
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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They fixed a bug, nothing new was added. Though I suppose you are right...[:(]...I want more features....[:'(]
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Pastor Jerry Bush said:
me smart guys have written something to get the windows version to run under Linux. That would be pretty cool. If not Linux, then what?
My opinion is that choosing to work on a Mac version without considering a multi-platform framework such as QT, or even working with the code weavers people demonstrates little to no interest in a Linux version. I will stop short of calling it foolishness given that I do not fully understand the decision making process. Having spent significant time with people that are fully engrossed in the Microsoft development process, most of them are not aware of life outside the Microsoft realm and are likely not sufficiently versed in the available options to accomplish such a task.
Microsoft does many things well. Some call them evil given their ruthless, and perhaps illegal, methods used to squash the competition. On the other hand, they produce a very nice development environment. If you can afford the cost of admission for their development tools, it is a nice sandbox in which to play. I have spent much time both in and out of that sandbox... From a development perspective, If my primary focus were Windows and there was not good cause, I would likely stay in that sand box.
Last I used Logos, it was a great product. I believe that your best bet for Logos, however, is to figure out how to run the version you have Under Linux rather than hope for a Linux version.
I believe that Logos hired Windows developers that drank the Windows Kool-Aid so they are very well versed in the secret internal workings of Windows. The good thing is that they are then able to wring out every last drop of performance and "coolness". Unfortunately, it also makes the product less stable in other environments (because they use things that are less used and thus less supported by "compatibility wrappers"). The end result is that I have always failed to make Logos work on anything but a full version of Windows. Each time I have tried, I seem to get farther, but I lack the time to fully pursue and attempt to determine all the issues and maybe find a work around.
Even if I do find the work around, I will need to do this with a Logos expert around to help me get all of my books back and working. That is the part of the game where I call my "mommy", who has done this many times. Each time, the Logos support team have worked hard to make things right.
It is unfortunate that there is not more support for a Linux version. If there were, and if those desiring the product were willing to put-up the money for the required development, then there would certainly be a Linux version. For all my wising and complaining, it is not clear to me that Logos would make money with a Linux version. How many of you here would put-up another $200 to pay a developer to spend time adjusting the Wrappers so that the Windows version worked fine on Linux? If ten people did that, a crossover engineer could take a long look at the problem. Not a guarantee that things could be made to work, but you get the idea.
Sorry, just in the mood to ramble I suppose.
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AndrewPitonyak said:
For all my wising and complaining, it is not clear to me that Logos would make money with a Linux version.
I agree.
Aside from the statistics which can be found on the net about the market share of Windows, Mac, and Linux, I can say from personal experience I know only one person who uses Linux as a desktop O.S. The rest are on Windows or Apple. As I am a bit of a geek when it comes to computers, I wind up talking tech to a lot of users. While there is a lot of affection for Linux, particularly when it comes to server applications, no one except that one person expresses any interest in Linux as a desktop O.S. On the other hand, I know a LOT of long term hard core windows users that have moved to Macs in the last two years. It seems like every month there is another die hard Windows user that has bought an Apple Mac.
I know this is anecdotal evidence, but combine this with market stats from various researchers, I would guess if we sat in a management meeting at Logos, I would have a hard time making a good case for support to build a Linux version and not lose money, at least in the near term future. If Windows 7 turns out to be a bomb like Vista did, who knows? Things might be different as users look to altnernatives. The hype about Windows 7 indicates that all the problems about Vista are behind us, but then again I remember when Vista was in beta I heard similar things. If one assumes that Windows 7 is half way decent, then certainly XP users who have been holding out will most likely upgrade and stay within that OS. Vista users who aren't too unhappy will probably upgrade when their machines start to age. So the end result is little churn of users from one OS to another. In this case, Windows to Mac or Linux.
So, if I was parting with hard earned cash in this challenging economic climate, I would be plowing it into development where I know I can make money. At present, the bread and butter of Logos is its Windows user base. Hopefully the uptake of the Mac version is strong enough that it merits similar investment. Linux? I doubt it any time soon.
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They'd make money. Remember that they sell books, not the software itself.
The trouble with going off market statistics is that they're just statistics. Linux users like myself are hidden because we're using Windows as well via VMware or dual booting or such like, even if we're only using it because we have to for Logos.
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You make the point why it will most likely not happen, there is limited potential for NEW sales to pay for the tens of thousands in development cost?Nigel Cunningham said:The trouble with going off market statistics is that they're just statistics. Linux users like myself are hidden because we're using Windows as well via VMware or dual booting or such like, even if we're only using it because we have to for Logos.
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Nigel Cunningham said:
They'd make money. Remember that they sell books, not the software itself.
The trouble with going off market statistics is that they're just statistics. Linux users like myself are hidden because we're using Windows as well via VMware or dual booting or such like, even if we're only using it because we have to for Logos.
Last I read, Linux as an O.S. was about 1% of the market share and Apple was 10%. Granted this took into account global demographics. I suspect that this number would skew if you looked at different market segments. For example, if you looked at market share of home users, the Apple and Linux users might be higher, because in enterprise Windows is generally a more commonly deployed solution.
Regardless, how many hidden users would you need to lift Linux's share even to 5%? You are going to need a pile load more. Don't get me wrong. I love Linux and have been using it since the 90s before many even knew it existed. However, I just don't see it in the numbers and from experience, even if I fudge the numbers. To be honest, I am not certain how Logos can make money on the Mac engine, except to say that among young students right now, the Mac market is pretty hot. Presumeably, a number of Logo's customers are students entering into seminary and Bible school, which may swing the numbers high enough to justify the development and maintenance costs. That's also what a lot of people forget about. Spending a bunch of money on developing a package is one thing, but it continually needs development and maintenance as the software platforms change.
Maybe what is needed is for someone who is so certain about the Linux market to put up some venture capital for Logos to develop an engine? Personally, as much as I love Linux, I wouldn't bet my house on it. [:)]
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Joe Miller said:Nigel Cunningham said:
The trouble with going off market statistics is that they're just statistics. Linux users like myself are hidden because we're using Windows as well via VMware or dual booting or such like, even if we're only using it because we have to for Logos.
You make the point why it will most likely not happen, there is limited potential for NEW sales to pay for the tens of thousands in development cost?
There's plenty of potential for new sales. I for one am still purchasing books (not single ones, either!), and there have been over 5,000 views of this thread, so there's clearly some interest in the possibility and therefore some money to be made there.
Further more, it doesn't need to be gazillions of dollars in development cost if it's done right. If a cross-platform framework is used (QT / Mono / whatever else...), then there should be a lot less work to do than there would be otherwise.
The software doesn't need to be open source either, so there doesn't need to be any greater chance of unscrupulous users circumventing licensing controls under Linux than there is under Mac or M$.
Regards,
Nigel
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Just one more voice wanting Logos to run on Linux.
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I've never been able to completely switch over to Linux because I have never been able to run Logos on Debian. Logos is the only thing holding me back from going all Linux. I know of at least one other person in the same boat, and many more who dual boot Linux/Windows and would appreciate a functional Logos for Linux.
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I am a computer programmer and he's not far off the mark. There's a great deal of planning and design work that goes into software development. That is if you want a quality product. The only difference between libronix and a navigation system is that no one will get hurt if libronix is written wrong.
Philippians 2:3Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
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While I know what you mean James, and agree; there is a side of me which just begs to say:
However given that Logos is written to assist in proper Bible interpretation, getting it wrong will have more dire consequences than a failed navigation system. Eternity is a long time.
Please accept my comment in a spirit of congeniality - for that is how I offer it.
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After reading about the version 4 of Logos for Windows and noting that it is at least partially .net JIT code and not native code I'm wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree even asking and hoping that Logos comes out with a Linux version. .Net code is just slow bloated code. You'd have thought that C/C++ and assembler would have been the route to go, seeing that you'd want to squeeze as much out of the hardware as you could to make Logos SING.
I don't hear much singing from the folks that bought into version 4. I'm not of the mind to upgrade anything to version 4 any time soon as I figure paying for a bloated version that runs on Windows and not my OS of choice would be just paying Logos to code something completely away from what I'd want, and I don't see any point in giving them any loot for producing something that I don't need.
I've also come to realize that buying Logos books is like buying music with DRM. I can only use my Logos books with their reader software. I'm a prisoner of their whims. Why they couldn't sit down like SMART people and code a reader using wxWidgets so everyone could have a native viewer written in C/C++ and not that fluff code that Microsoft is pushing is beyond me. Owell. I think that I'm pretty much done with Logos at this point. I'll use what I have with version 3 under virtualbox and see if I can't help out the Linux Bible software push. It may not be as fancy as Logos, but I can buy real books to use with the cash that I'd otherwise be sending off to Logos. Logos has not earned my money, and they're not getting it. There's no DRM on real books and searching the old fashioned way never killed anybody. I don't think that Peter and Paul had to wait 2 days to index their files and I figure they did just fine.
Later...
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Actually C# using Mono.
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