Swete LXX Hebrew-Greek Reverse Interlinear

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

tfjern said:

Logos 5 updated itself this morning (June 5, 2013), "Greek-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition."

Can't find this updated resource anywhere in my Logos library.

Reverse Interlinears are not listed as separate items in the Library, but are always part of their associated Bible, in this case, The Old Testament in Greek according to the Septuagint.

Good grief!

This is extremely confusing. The reverse interlinears, that is. Please straighten things out.

Everything looks/works fine for me for both Rahlfs and Swete re: the reverse interlinears and connections w/ the Hebrew. Thanks!

I see the Minimal Crossgrade gives the Hebrew to Greek RI, not Greek to Hebrew. Where did the Greek-Hebrew one come from?

Mark Smith said:

Sean, all reverse interlinears are accessed in the same way. On the resource's navigation bar use one of the two highlighted icons below to active the Inline or Ribbon display of the reverse interlinear text:

Thanks Mark, but it seems the only Greek LXX I have is Rahlf's, and it's not showing either icon. I'm not sure how I came to own a reverse interlinear without a text to show it in... I agree that all these RI's are confusing!

Apparently I'm in the same boat as Sean D. House (I don't have Reverse Interlinears, at least I think that's the case, though it's hard to tell when dealing with that Rube Goldbergian contraption known as Windows 8, I mean Logos 5). OK, then why did the reverse interlinear update file download as soon as I opened the program this morning?

Dave Hooton said:

Sean D. House said:

Please tell me that the Hebrew-Greek one, when it ship, will at least work with one of the included texts (I assume the Lexham Hebrew Bible)?

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Ancient Texts and Morphologies

• Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition*
• Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition, , Alternate Texts*
• Lexham Hebrew Bible with Morphology

The terminology used by Logos is inconsistent and confusing. From the description I would assume you had the Bible called Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: HB Swete Edn,  except that the Swete RI is not a Lexham resource and is titled The Old Testament in Greek according to the Septuagint: LXX Swete, for which I received an update together with the release of the Interlinear dataset called The Greek-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear Septuagint: H B Swete Edition.  The other Swete resource is The Lexham Greek-English Interlinear Septuagint: H B Swete Edition, which is complete in itself as is not an RI. The Lexham Hebrew Bible is also complete in itself and is not an interlinear (nor a RI).

As for the Alternate Texts to the Septuagint, there can be no Hebrew Interlinear data as there is no corresponding Hebrew text (AFAIK)

Ok, now I'm even more confused:

1. What downloaded today was the a Greek-Hebrew RI for Swete's LXX, which I don't have and hence cannot use.
2. On the page for the Minimal Crossgrade, which I purchased assuming I'd eventually receive everything on it, there is listed a "Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition*". From the name, I would assume this is a RI that goes from Hebrew to Greek: for the Hebrew text of some Bible (I assume because of its placement the Lexham Hebrew Bible), inline text would be available for the corresponding Greek words used in the LXX.

My question now: is #1 the same thing as #2, which was marketed in the Minimal Crossgrade, or are they two different resources? Am I going to be getting at least one functional Hebrew & Greek interlinear resource or is this all that is forthcoming?

Thanks for the attempts at clarity, but we're still not there yet:

Is what downloaded today the same thing as the "Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition*" sold as part of the Minimal Crossgrade or not?

I would assume they are two different things except for Isaiah's confusing use of "Hebrew-Greek" in the OP (when the home page says Greek-Hebrew) and Bradley's post to me that yes, I purchased it, but no, I can't use it.

I would like clarification from Logos staff please.

What the Sam Heck!

The Lexham Hebrew Septuagint ...? I have, apparently, the Minimal Crossgrade. So where does this strange-sounding interlinear reside?

Does all of this have to be so vexing?

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

tfjern said:

The Lexham Hebrew Septuagint ...? I have, apparently, the Minimal Crossgrade. So where does this strange-sounding interlinear reside?

It resides in the associated Bible (The Old Testament in Greek according to the Septuagint) and is only accessible if you own that Bible.

I'm sorry, but this simply is not acceptable; it is made clear nowhere on the Minimal Crossgrade page to allow the customer to make an informed decision before purchase. The RI is listed along with a bunch of other Lexham Bible resources, including the Greek-English Swete Septuagint. One have would assumed, unless told otherwise, that it would work with one of these. Otherwise, you could have just included a note: (Requires Swete's LXX, sold separately.)

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I checked your account and it appears that you don't have a Logos 4 base package. As the Minimal Crossgrade page states: "The Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade is designed only for users who are coming from a Logos 4 base package."

There is some value in just owning the Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade by itself, but it was designed to work in conjunction with the resources already present in a Logos 4 base package. Without also owning a Logos 4 base package, you will not be able to make full use of the resources contained in the Minimal Crossgrade.

Two counterpoints:

1. As far as I can tell, at least in my case, this is only resource sold in the Minimal Crossgrade that is not functional with just that package, so it is a unique situation.
2. You should finish your quote from MC page: "The Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade is designed only for users who are coming from a Logos 4 base package. If you have never owned a Logos 4 base package, you will need to also purchase the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade." Clicking the link for the L4 crossgrade, I see I can get it for $8. Great--but it doesn't include Swete's! So even the prescribed upgrade path there would not make the resource functional.

I'm generally happy with my L5 upgrade, but one of the main things that drew me to the Minimal Crossgrade was this one resource. Waiting this long for it was bad enough; now to be told that I need to spend even more money to actually be able to use it is unacceptable. I'm not too interested in understanding Marketing's thinking that led to this situation, but it needs to be fixed.

Ok, most of the business day has passed in WA without a response yet. Logos needs to state how it's going to fix this situation of selling a resource and not giving prior notice that access to it is not possible without a further purchase. This is an unacceptable situation.

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

Sean D. House said:

Ok, most of the business day has passed in WA without a response yet.

Sean, I'm sorry for the delay. I will follow up with the appropriate Logos employee as soon as possible. It's 8pm PDT now, so I won't be able to get a definitive response to you until (at least) tomorrow morning.

Thank you for getting back to me and looking into it.

Bradley, thanks for your concern and for attending to this. I appreciate it very much.

I just received the downloaded updated file thanks!  It appears all is working now:

Sean D House

Have you got an answer on this yet?

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