Queen Mother: A Biblical Theology of Mary’s Queenship
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NB.Mick said:Bruce Dunning said:
I conclude from this that posting the link to the blog and saying that you can find the code there is acceptable.
Yes, that's what it says. Maybe I misunderstood your post (English is not my first languge)
"It" could be posted with "it" being the Coupon code itself: no
"It" could be posted with "it" being the link to Verbum blog that contains the code: yes, you're welcome to post it.
(But that's my private exegesis, I'm just another forum user trying to help)
Thanks for once again clarifying things. All through this thread I have been under the understanding that codes should not be posted in the forums as a rule of thumb. Now I even have a clearer picture of the thinking behind it.
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NB.Mick said:
my suggested rule is:
subject:(mariology, mary) OR abbrev:ccc OR title:("Vatican II", "credo for today", "Aquinas on Doctrine", "ecclesia de eucharistia", "spe salvi", "a contemporary evangelical perspective on Roman catholicism", "Roman catholics and evangelicals", "more biblical evidence for catholicism")
where the titles mentioned individually contain a substantial chapter on mariology. Suggestions for further updates are welcome.
Searching heading text, large text in Entire Library for:
Mary, mariology
with Match All Word Forms unchecked find more resources, including "Pastores Gregis", "The Sources of Catholic Dogma", "Vita Consecrata", ...
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Since this thread resulted in a Reading List on Mary:
I just found that Br Max Thurian of Taize's Mary. Mother of All Christians is freely available at http://archive.org/details/marymotherofallc013235mbp. Anyone who has time to make it into a PB for us?
Max Thurian was the chief theologian of the ecumenical monastery in Taizé, France. He converted to Catholicism late in life, but this was written way earlier, when he was still Reformed. In fact, it seems to have been written so early that the whole monastery was still Reformed. Here's the intro from the front and back flaps:
The ecumenical movement will be without lasting significance if it does not go beyond the stage of expressions of openness and gestures of amity, if it does not result in concrete steps towards unity of doctrine and of worship. Few religious teachings have so separated Christians in the past and have so aroused confessional antagonisms as have the theology and the veneration of the Virgin Mary. But to show the true role of Mary in the economy of salvation it is not enough that the present-day teachings of all the churches be fused together. This would entail a dilution of doctrine and would be a false ecumenism. Rather, what is required is a reverent penetration into the meaning of the universally accepted biblical texts that relate to the life of the Virgin Mary.
It is on this common scriptural source which all the churches embrace that Max Thurian, a monk of the Reformed monastery of Taize, relies in MARY MOTHER OF ALL CHRISTIANS. His approach is one that will recommend itself to Roman Catholics as well as to Protestants. He is concerned primarily neither with polemics nor irenics : his first goal is an objective theological and devotional commentary on the pertinent texts. But by this very balanced exegesis he constructs a bridge between the churches which is much more solidly grounded than if he had been explicitly dedicated to a theology of dialogue. This, then, is essentially a spiritual theology of Mary which explores in a biblical setting the meaning of her virginity and motherhood, and which precisely because of its theological dimension is a much more effective instrument for reunion than many ad hoc ecumenical treatises.
The Catholic reader, in addition to deepening his understanding of Mary's mission, will come to recognize the importance attached to her in the Lutheran and Calvinist traditions; while the Protestant reader, with this same deepening experience, will realize how firmly rooted is Catholic Mariology in the common teaching of the New Testament. Together they will learn to appreciate more fully the message of the Magnificat: "Henceforth all generations will call me blessed"
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fgh said:
I just found that Br Max Thurian of Taize's Mary. Mother of All Christians is freely available at http://archive.org/details/marymotherofallc013235mbp. Anyone who has time to make it into a PB for us?
I would love to either make a personal book of this or see it carried in Logos. Although I'm not Catholic but I think that many non-Catholics have misconceptions about Mary and tend to go to ignore her altogether.
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Peace to all! *smile*
Thanks to fgh and Bruce ........... I would be so pleased to have the .docx file on this ..........!!!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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While I think there are some on the one hand that take things too far, I think we protestants (perhaps in an effort not to be confused as being catholics) don't take things far enough.Bruce Dunning said:fgh said:I just found that Br Max Thurian of Taize's Mary. Mother of All Christians is freely available at http://archive.org/details/marymotherofallc013235mbp. Anyone who has time to make it into a PB for us?
I would love to either make a personal book of this or see it carried in Logos. Although I'm not Catholic but I think that many non-Catholics have misconceptions about Mary and tend to go to ignore her altogether.
Whatever else she was or was not, She was the one woman through-out human past, present and future that God chose to bear and raise his son. I think that merits a place of honor. But the line must be drawn prior to worship.There are places, and catholic churches (Personally seen some in Europe that make my skin crawl) that do indeed seem to worship her. Certainly in my experience protestants have also dropped the ball but differently.
Yet again, we've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
I would like to study catholic tradition on mariology, perhaps one day when life is less hectic
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While it is freely available, it is under copyright. I'll need to check further before knowing if it is appropriate to volunteer
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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abondservant said:
While I think there are some on the one hand that take things too far, I think we protestants (perhaps in an effort not to be confused as being catholics) don't take things far enough.
Whatever else she was or was not, She was the one woman through-out human past, present and future that God chose to bear and raise his son. I think that merits a place of honor. But the line must be drawn prior to worship.There are places, and catholic churches (Personally seen some in Europe that make my skin crawl) that do indeed seem to worship her. Certainly in my experience protestants have also dropped the ball but differently.
Yet again, we've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.Well-said!
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MJ. Smith said:
While it is freely available, it is under copyright. I'll need to check further before knowing if it is appropriate to volunteer
Thanks M.J. I think this would be great to have as a PB.
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Peace, MJ! *smile*
As of now ....... ............. "the ball is in your court," eh???
Personally I would only want this for personal use .....
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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abondservant said:
While I think there are some on the one hand that take things too far, I think we protestants (perhaps in an effort not to be confused as being catholics) don't take things far enough.
<snip>Yet again, we've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
Well said. Quite often we Christians tend to go to extremes to avoid what is perceived as error in some other group. Have personally known many Baptists who refuse to raise their hands in worship because they don't want to be taken as Charismatic [8-|]
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haha thats true!
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay folks ... now please go to the Reading Lists (under Tools) and search for Mary. You will see the results of this thread.
To update, go to http://topics.logos.com/Mary
I added Our Lady of Wheaton from the latest issue of First Things. Interesting.
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Jack Caviness said:
Well said. Quite often we Christians tend to go to extremes to avoid what is perceived as error in some other group. Have personally known many Baptists who refuse to raise their hands in worship because they don't want to be taken as Charismatic
Where do you see the raising of hands in the new testament? [{]
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Evan Boardman said:
Where do you see the raising of hands in the new testament?
1 Timothy 2:8: I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument.[8-|]
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[Y] You beat me. I was gonna explain myself fuller. It would of been more valid to say- ' Baptists who refuse to say Amen unless it's after a prayer or song because they don't want to be taken as Charismatic. " Most Baptist dont raise their hand isnt because they dont want to be labeled.fgh said:Evan Boardman said:Where do you see the raising of hands in the new testament?
1 Timothy 2:8: I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument.
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This whole Mary thing is positively rabbinic.
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David Paul said:
This whole Mary thing is positively rabbinic.
No, it's fulfillment of OT prophecy. Something I thought you loved.[:D]
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fgh said:David Paul said:
This whole Mary thing is positively rabbinic.
No, it's fulfillment of OT prophecy. Something I thought you loved.
"Something" is the fulfillment of OT prophecy...to conflate that into a theology that is beyond revelation is "assumption"--perhaps that is why she is spoken of using that word?? I'm not against revealed insight or even making logical inferences that are essentially required by what is revealed. But when one begins to take an inference and uses it to make inferences which are then used to make others...and on and on...the possibility of injecting error is compounded greatly. The biggest problem in this is precisely the flaw of rabbinism...taking one's inferences as definitive and even dogmatic. This is accomplished at the inevitable expense of distancing oneself from and thus not focusing on that which is revealed, and this is true even of Miryaam, Yeishuu`a's mother. Prophecy, as you mention, has a scope, and Miryaam is not a major focus of that. She is a type of Israel, no doubt, but to become focused on the individual is to lose the prophetic vision. That is true of Abraham, David, and every other figure of Scripture. They as human individuals are not as important as the part they play in portraying YHWH's prophetic purpose. By focusing unduly on any individual, no matter how important, is to inject ourselves into His vision beyond what is proper. It doesn't matter if that is not the intention...it is simply the inevitable outcome.
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