Which tab is active?

Denise said:

Mary-Ellen, Logos is supposed to be cool. That'd be for youngsters like George. Logos assumes that you already use a magnifying glass to find the verse numbers that look like the footnote numbers. So the blue bar on the tab bar is HUGE!

Don't know of a vote-able user request. And even if everyone voted, Logos fears any loss of cool-ity. Easy of use isn't in their vocabulary.

Actually the transparent bar is their 2nd go at the problem (your memory of user frustration). Their first fix came about when the Logos CEO was trying to use the software.

You lost me here.  Even allowing for your perverse sense of humor (love it—occasionally I get that way, but you live it), I don't understand.  There is a line at the top of the active tab (Is it blue or green or red—no, I'm not color-blind, just being silly).  I agree, it is somewhat subtle, but that beats the Christmas tree effect of L3 in tagging items.   Look for the union label, uh, dark line (whatever its color, black or blue or black and blue) at the top of the tab.

Now, if they'd only bring back the "Weights and Measures" feature of L3.  [:'(]

Mary-Ellen said:

I see I'm not alone, so I've created a user request:

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/4360869-distinguish-the-active-tab-more-vividly

I think one thing that would help would be to make the topmost tab of any inactive panels a dimmer grey like all the tabs that are in the background, so that it's less easily confused for the active tab.

Very true. There's one situation where Logos displays the resource, but leaves the associated tab hidden. Not sure what logic would drive that.

Donnie Hale said:

In addition to the active tab being more obvious, it needs to not be obscured behind the tab scroll arrows that appear (upper right of a pane) if you have enough tabs open that they can't all be visible across the top of the pane. This happens to me with some regularity where the active tab is behind/under those right/left scroll buttons.

Yes, that is annoying. Sometimes I can't remember what book I have open in the active tab, and there's no quick way to find out what it is because you can't hover over the active tab if it's hidden. Have to scroll the left/right scroll arrows all the way over until it's visible, or else have to scroll back up to the top of the book and then return to find where you were. There needs to be a solution for this.

Jack Caviness said:

Donnie Hale said:

In addition to the active tab being more obvious

Have been reading this thread for several days, and frankly, I don't see the problem. To me, the active tab is quite obvious. The difference between ESV and NKJV in this screenshot seems distinct—and it is even more so in the actual Logos display.

It is apparent if you know what to look for and are seeking it, but I wouldn't call it "quite obvious" and for that I am thankful.  I wouldn't want it slapping me in the face (Big red arrow pointing to the tab and moving up and down with the words "active tab" or some such thing).  I'm trying to figure out what they're talking about with the "red tabs."

My 90+ tabs are broken into 5 windows, and indeed I do use most regularly, mainly in the form of a glance. So for example,  the Civil War resources are presently 'monitoring' Chickamauga, the NT page monitors the older NT versions including apparatus, etc  That ability is one of the luxuries of Logos5; Libronix is good for maybe 20 or so and you can't easily change the panel size. 

And surprisingly scrolling the connected ones is not only smooth, but for the Civil Wars ones, 'spins' too quickly and I have to spin them back.

The 'red' tabs are probably closer to a burnt orange; click on 'Tools' or 'Documents'. Not sure why red was needed since the opened panel covers the resources in use.

It's hard to imagine in 2013, someone being unaware of Braxton Bragg's soon-to-be fall from grace following Chickamauga, more specifically Chattanooga in 1863. Daughters of Texas well know of his final breaths in Galveston as a railroad inspector. So the important railway museum there.

But back to Logos. I'd agree with you if Logos didn't pop resources open in random locations across 5 windows. Or if it had add-on layouts. 

One of my admitted frustrations with Libronix is having to move back and forth on workspaces that take forever to load.

Denise said:

It's hard to imagine in 2013, someone being unaware of Braxton Bragg's soon-to-be fall from grace following Chickamauga, more specifically Chattanooga in 1863. Daughters of Texas well know of his final breaths in Galveston as a railroad inspector. So the important railway museum there.

But back to Logos. I'd agree with you if Logos didn't pop resources open in random locations across 5 windows. Or if it had add-on layouts. 

One of my admitted frustrations with Libronix is having to move back and forth on workspaces that take forever to load.

You could open it in a floating window—that's pretty consistent (but I agree that I wish there were some user control over where a resource opened).

After testing out MP's blog article today, and having the NT Synonyms volume tab disappear, I discovered the plus tab is also curious (while trying to see the Synonym tab):

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George Somsel said:

Jack Caviness said:

Donnie Hale said:

In addition to the active tab being more obvious

Have been reading this thread for several days, and frankly, I don't see the problem. To me, the active tab is quite obvious. The difference between ESV and NKJV in this screenshot seems distinct—and it is even more so in the actual Logos display.

It is apparent if you know what to look for and are seeking it, but I wouldn't call it "quite obvious" and for that I am thankful.  I wouldn't want it slapping me in the face (Big red arrow pointing to the tab and moving up and down with the words "active tab" or some such thing).  I'm trying to figure out what they're talking about with the "red tabs."

George Somsel said:

It is apparent if you know what to look for and are seeking it, but I wouldn't call it "quite obvious" and for that I am thankful.  I wouldn't want it slapping me in the face (Big red arrow pointing to the tab and moving up and down with the words "active tab" or some such thing).  I'm trying to figure out what they're talking about with the "red tabs."

Michael Childs said:

Slapping me in the face would be better than what we have now.   Thanks, I needed that!

Perhaps they could make it an option and place a decorated Christmas tree beside it so people will know which it is.  [:P]

Donnie Hale said:

Jack Caviness said:

Have been reading this thread for several days, and frankly, I don't see the problem. To me, the active tab is quite obvious. The difference between ESV and NKJV in this screenshot seems distinct—and it is even more so in the actual Logos display.

I played with this a little more last night. Another problem with the current approach is that the blue bar indicating the current tab is only displayed for the window which has the focus.

I have search panes, guides, etc. in a left window (where your ESV tab is) and language resources, dictionaries, etc. in a right window (where your NKJV tab is). If my left window has the focus, e.g. I'm executing a search, there is no blue bar on the current tab of the right window. Thus I can't glance at the right window and easily determine which resource among the 20+ tabs in that window is being displayed.

Donnie

Unless I fail to understand you, it appears that you are confusing "displayed" and "active."   All are displayed if they are to the forefront, but only one has the focus, i.e., is active.  When you do a search, the search tab is active while the others which are to the forefront, i.e., on top of the other panes, do display their content.

Donnie Hale said:

George Somsel said:

Unless I fail to understand you, it appears that you are confusing "displayed" and "active."   All are displayed if they are to the forefront, but only one has the focus, i.e., is active.  When you do a search, the search tab is active while the others which are to the forefront, i.e., on top of the other panes, do display their content.

You understand me, and I totally understand your point. My point is that there is still a resource "displayed" in the window that *does not* contain the active tab. So even if you argue that the active tab (which is in the window that has the focus) is sufficiently discernible via that blue bar, it does nothing to make it obvious which tab's resource is being displayed in the other window. If I remember, I'll try to post a screenshot tonight.

Donnie

Which tab's resource is being displayed?  The one with the "X" showing.

Donnie Hale said:

George Somsel said:

Which tab's resource is being displayed?  The one with the "X" showing.

Again, I know what you're saying. Open 30 tabs in that left window, put the focus in the right window (e.g. the "Search" tab), and then figure out which tab's resource is being displayed in the left window.

Donnie

I don't understand why anyone would want to open 30 tabs at once in Logos—especially in one "window", but here is a sample of enough resources being open to cause the title of the resource to disappear.

All you need to do is to mouse-over the tab with the "X."

George Somsel said:

I don't understand why anyone would want to open 30 tabs at once in Logos—especially in one "window", but here is a sample of enough resources being open to cause the title of the resource to disappear.

When I get knee-deep in a study, I don't worry about tracking how many open resources I have in a window. But I do need to be able to figure out which one is being displayed. Here's a screenshot of the situation I'm referring to.

The active window is the left one, "My Passage Guide." The tab for the resource being displayed in the right window is not visible at all. Even if I scroll right through the tabs and then make the left window the active one again, it's hard to tell which tab is displayed on the right. If new resources are opened in the right window when it's in the state as shown above, their tabs are "behind" the scroll button and thus not visible.

All of this makes it hard to know which resource is being displayed in such situations...

Donnie

Donnie Hale said:

The active window is the left one, "My Passage Guide." The tab for the resource being displayed in the right window is not visible at all. Even if I scroll right through the tabs and then make the left window the active one again, it's hard to tell which tab is displayed on the right. If new resources are opened in the right window when it's in the state as shown above, their tabs are "behind" the scroll button and thus not visible.

All of this makes it hard to know which resource is being displayed in such situations...

My best recommendation is that you shut down some of the resources,   If you insist on keeping all of them open, the only way I could suggest that Logos could do anything about this would be to "wrap" the tabs so that they appear in more than one row—after all, there's only so much room.

Denise said:

Actually the problem can occur with just 6 tabs in a panel (my layout group resources into 9 panels per window).

And solving it is easy enough; if the user hides the active tab, well duh.  But when the software adds a resource, make sure the tab is displayed (eg scroll left or right, as needed).  Frankly, I think they forgot.

(Plus add a burnt-orange stripe, of course).

6 or more for one panel is simply too many.

Donnie Hale said:

George Somsel said:

If you insist on keeping all of them open, the only way I could suggest that Logos could do anything about this would be to "wrap" the tabs so that they appear in more than one row—after all, there's only so much room.

If the tab has become obscured due to my action, e.g. scrolling the set of tabs one way or the other, then it's my issue. But if Logos is opening a new tab in a position where the tab would be obscured, Logos could automatically scroll the tabs such that the newly-opened one is visible.

Donnie

So, why not open all of your resources at one time and expect Logos to manage them for you?  [:P]  [:(]