Rah ! Rah ! Oxyrhynchus, Oxyrhynchus, Oxyrhynchus !

Ted Hans said:

George Somsel said:

But I'll bet you have Morgan at $279.  What is the value of G. Campbell Morgan?

George, George you are not being fair. I do own Morgan, happy now? Back to my question, what practical use will this resource serve?

I will let George speak for himself (besides, who can stop him?  [:P]  I know, I know...pot...kettle...), but I will add my perspective. These are a trove of written documents and fragments mostly unearthed from garbage dumps in Egypt with its famous arid climate. They were part of what Deismann used to debunk the "Holy Ghost Greek" concept, showing that the NT used Koinay rather than some "special recipe". They also provide a vast number of examples of how Greek words were used in a variety of religious and secular settings. This is a decent resource to own, but as the blurb on the product page points out, many better lexicons reference it...which means that they will pretty much tell you what you need to know. I prefer original docs myself, of course, but I just don't ever expect to get $150 worth of value out of these resources. I doubt many Logos users will...unless they are a narrow specialist of one sort or another.

Imo, this is a resource most people should own, but for about $50 (or less). Few will get more value than that out of it.

I will agree with George on one point--I've seen Logos users bid high on some highly questionable CP chaff (PrePub too), while leaving some true CP gems languishing for years.

If you read my earlier post, I'm as certain as I can be about something I'm not certain about that this resource will end up in the better base packages in the future. Get it now if you must, but I honestly think your money can be better spent elsewhere.

By the way, this is the link.

My main principle of NT interpretation is 'what would the listeners have heard' and 'how would it make sense to them'. A speaker/writer could only be understood relative to a pre-existing background ... not theology 2,000 years later.

So, resources like Oxy are absolutely critical for language usage, and also copies of Christian related material.

In addition to the above mentioned LXX, 'there are also five manuscripts from the Apostolic Fathers, eleven from the New Testament Apocrypha, two from Philo, and many more from a variety of Classical authors and documentary papyri.' (Logos writeup).

Just this week I've been reading 'Returning to First Century Theology' by Hudson Turner (DTS). His penchant for generalizing the AF without support would nicely be matched by Oxy mss's to complement the standard AFs in Logos.

If you are going to go in, how about going in at $130? You'll probably get it for that price in the end anyway, abut you slow it down from going over at $150, possibly giving it time to go down further, and besides you can always change your bid at the last moment to the right amount.

Dean053 said:

If you are going to go in, how about going in at $130? You'll probably get it for that price in the end anyway, abut you slow it down from going over at $150, possibly giving it time to go down further, and besides you can always change your bid at the last moment to the right amount.

CP is all about the tyranny of the first...whoever is the first to bid on an item pretty much sets the price. Where CPs are concerned, most people adopt a "set it and forget it" mentality. Whether from fear of missing out if they bid lower than the current (and arbitrary) "suggested bid" or from a lack of desire to monitor their bids, the typical bidder bids a green bid. In this case the first bidder bid waaaay right on the chart, that set the "suggested price", and it was off to the...tortoise races. This CP may set the record for the final price furthest to the right of the chart...it is certainly in the top five. The dot has been touching the line for weeks and even the usual last minute bandwagon effect hasn't pushed this over. That's because it's too high. If this had ever gotten a peak going at $100 or lower, it would have attracted a lot more bids and been in production weeks or months ago. It could have and should have, but the "gotta bid green" mindset has taken this to its current state. I understand that some people want this ASAP, but I'm not sure anyone really needs it. Neat to have, yes. $150 neat? Not for me.

Plus (and I've beat this horse until it's nothing but a grease spot), if folks are willing to pay $150 for this "once-in-a-blue-moon" resource, I don't understand why they won't raise their bids on HERE, which is imo the most valuable and useful resource currently on CP. It's not that people haven't bid on it--Bob has said it has more bids than any other resource on CP. The problem is that the bids are too low at $30. This is one of the most fascinating sets I've ever set eyes on. The breadth and depth are amazing. If I remember correctly, HERE actually has articles with hieroglyphics in them. That is probably why it costs more to produce. It covers the entire area of the Ancient Near East. All of the other Hastings resources have been produced or are in production. If you are rolling in so much cash that a you can see clear to bid on a bad investment like the OP for $150, then by all means, please either bid or raise your bid on HERE to at least $60 or $70. As I have said before, I was happy to bid almost $300 for it when it was on PrePub back in the day.

Most resouces like this get much more use than 2-3 times a year, mainly from BWS. Main thing trying to narrow down a period of time. So also Rick's NT apocrypha.

Denise said:

Well, David ... since Logos limited the production run of Logos5, the copy that would normally have been reserved for you, probably has been picked up by another lucky user!

So instead, you'll have to get your fingers grimy on the coffee grounds-encrusted papyri.

Which begs the question, even at $1, Libronix won't be able to read it. So coffee grounds are the choice either way!

[:D]  Actually, I do use L5 for certain searches, particularly those where I want to search my whole library. L5 has its uses and the POxy, as George calls it, would be one of those. If I have to wait until L6, I'm okay with that. I've got so much on my plate right now, I know I won't miss it.

That's about right...Logos does provide an embarrassment of riches. Sometimes I'm so busy feeding on the word that I forget I haven't had my Ramen.

Just a few more at $150 will put this in the countdown. Then with all the lower bidders raising their bid, we are likely to see $100 before the close.

So on this one, bid the going rate now.

I got to thinking what George said. And what was my most expensive book, so I could properly evaluate Oxy.

Turned out to be https://www.logos.com/product/15764/asherah-goddesses-in-ugarit-israel-and-the-old-testament 

$140.

And Oxy's only $10 more!  What a deal!! 

https://www.logos.com/product/16528/oxyrhynchus-papyri 

Looks like some people at $120, 130 and 140. If they moved up to $150, then David would have to get his fingers dirty with coffee-grounds laden papyri.  This type of bidding is interesting, since it runs in the face of Jesus' teaching.  The more I advocate a high price (so I can GET it for ME!!), the less affordable it is for others. Oh well ... Logos is a  business.

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