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I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
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I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
Great to have in Logos, i add my vote to this request.Blessings,Sir T
Please pardon my ignorance, but who in the world in Ray Stedman and what kind of material does he write? Apparently he must be well enough known for someone in Jolly Old England to be aware of him.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Blessings,
Floyd
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I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
Blessings,
Floyd
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I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Hi George i am no dispensationalist but leaving Ray Stedman's dispensationalism aside as an expositor he is good.
George apart from the fact that you are a Christian what school of thought best represent your views, of course none but help me out here.
Wayne Grudem systematic theology comes the closest in representing my views, although on the eternal generation of the Son Grudem leaves me saying hmmmm. Now don't get a heart attack because i mentioned Grudem[:@] - i am a five point Calvinist[Y].
Sir T
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The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.Hi George i am no dispensationist but leaving Ray Stedman's dispensationism aside as an expositor he is good.
George apart from the fact that you are a Christian what school of thought best represent your views, of course none but help me out here.
Wayne Grudem systematic theology comes the closest in representing my views, although on the eternal generation of the Son Grudem leaves me saying hmmmm. Now don't get a heart attack because i mentioned Grudem
- i am a five point Calvinist
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Sir T
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church".
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
I'm not a dispensationalist, but I have always appreciated his "through the Bible" messages and books.
A number of his books are still available, but his complete works are available through PBC.
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Are you trying to say that in another time and place you might have followed him? [:)]
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.Are you trying to say that in another time and place you might have followed him?
Perhaps when I was young and didn't know any better.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
George,
for the record; I'm a little different, I'd still check out Ray's stuff, but would steer clear of his dispensationalist views.
You might like this:
http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/95theses.shtml
bob
Robert Pavich
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George,
for the record; I'm a little different, I'd still check out Ray's stuff, but would steer clear of his dispensationalist views.
You might like this:
http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/95theses.shtml
bob
Hi Robert, although i am not George, thanks for the link. It makes for an interesting reading.
Ted
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Okay, I have a question. First, I have been "raised" in the church as a dispensationalist. I have begun to change that view as my view of a pre-tribulational rapture has been changed. I believe in a premallianal post tribulation rapture. I am now struggling to discover which "camp" I most fit: progressive dispenstional, covenantal, or what?
Or there any other "camps" out there? I would just as soon be in the Biblical camp. [:)]
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Okay, I have a question. First, I have been "raised" in the church as a dispensationalist. I have begun to change that view as my view of a pre-tribulational rapture has been changed. I believe in a premallianal post tribulation rapture. I am now struggling to discover which "camp" I most fit: progressive dispenstional, covenantal, or what?
Or there any other "camps" out there? I would just as soon be in the Biblical camp.
Of course there are other views. Get 4 theologians together and you will have 5-6 different views. There is also the Post-millenial position which was at one time fairly popular but which has fallen into disfavor (I think 2 world wars had something to do with that). Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold. [;)] (Sorry, couldn't resist). You won't find any mention of a "rapture" in the Apocalypse which is where you would expect to find it. Some have been rather creative in finding ways to insert it into the book, but it is about like putting a VW Beetle front on a Rolls Royce -- it just doesn't fit. While it does speak of a thousand year period in Revelation, I don't think you can take that literally since it seems to be a standard apocalyptic trope for the blessedness of the kingdom (which is NOW). Then in addition if you read the very last chapter, you will note that it speaks of the leaves of the Tree of Life as being for the healing of the nations. If this is after the Millenium, why is there yet need for the nations to be healed? In cap 22 why does it speak of kings bringing "thier glory" into the city and of nothing unclean or any who practice abominations entering into it? Indeed, it says that OUTSIDE are the dogs, sorcerers, fornicators, murderers and idolators. They New Jerusalem, the Millenium and the Church are one.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold.(Sorry, couldn't resist).
Hello George,
I am not surprise you hold to the Amil view but i have never been happy with their handling of Rev 20:1-8. Satan is now bound for a 1000 years Hmmm, in the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal is set upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more. Seems to me that many nations are still deceived & being deceived by him today. G.k. Beale monumental commentary fails to convince on this. I look forward to your exegetical defense/views on Rev 20 when your commentary is published.
Take care & Regards,
Sir T.
P.S. If the Amil view is the correct position, then the Historic Premillennial view is the correct biblical view to hold.[;)]
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It is the nations which are deceived, not the church. Those who deceive are outside.Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold.Hello George,
I am not surprise you hold to the Amil view but i have never been happy with their handling of Rev 20:1-8. Satan is now bound for a 1000 years Hmmm, in the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal is set upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more. Seems to me that many nations are still deceived & being deceived by him today. G.k. Beale monumental commentary fails to convince on this. I look forward to your exegetical defense/views on Rev 20 when your commentary is published.
Take care & Regards,
Sir T.
P.S. If the Amil view is the correct position, then the Historic Premillennial view is the correct biblical view to hold.
How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.
I was trying to be polite. if the Amil view is the correct position according to George then the historic Premil view is the biblical view. How about that, you forced my hand[:)]
Agree, it is the nations that are deceived and not the true church but Rev 20 refers to the "nations" not being deceived & not the church(no mention of the church there). As for the "Church" i see many deception, defection from sound biblical teaching. Look at the Church of England - the Bishops are not sure about so much!
Sir T.
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How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.I was trying to be polite. if the Amil view is the correct position according to George then the historic Premil view is the biblical view. How about that, you forced my hand
Agree, it is the nations that are deceived and not the true church but Rev 20 refers to the "nations" not being deceived & not the church(no mention of the church there). As for the "Church" i see many deception, defection from sound biblical teaching. Look at the Church of England - the Bishops are not sure about so much!
Sir T.
I don't think you can establish that the Premil view is the biblical view. I think that palm goes to the Amil position.
Don't get perkonal with a chicken ! I'm in the Anglican Communion. You could as well have said that the Baptists aren't sure about so much. It comes down to what is the Church and what is not. This raises the classic Reformed position that the marks of the True Church are the proper preaching of the word and the administration of the sacraments. Some would add to this discipline.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
This raises the classic Reformed position that the marks of the True Church are the proper preaching of the word and the administration of the sacraments. Some would add to this discipline.
To this i would say, Amen.
You could as well have said that the Baptists aren't sure about so much.
Yes,yes,yes
I don't think you can establish that the Premil view is the biblical view. I think that palm goes to the Amil position.
Of course i am distancing myself from the Dispensationalism Premil position. Historic Premil & Amil are very close in what they affirm but if (which is a big if) the Historic Premil position is wrong, which i don't think it is. Then i will have to go for the traditional Reform view - Amil. My first choice is H/Premil and then Amil.
Good to hear from you again, you have been quiet of late, perhaps busy.
Every Blessing,
Sir T.
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<quote>
The Biblical camp is the Historic Premillennial, post tribulation rapture with a Covenant theology Hermeneutic.
Ted </quote>
Thanks Ted. Now I just need to "bone up" on Covenant Theology. Any suggestions for authors?
And I appreciate your imput also, George. I am really enjoying the exchange between you two, and wouldn't mind joining. However, I sure that this is may really go to far OT.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
Yes![Y]
Jack
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
I agree
I would also like to see Ray Stedman's work on Logos.... Chuck Smith too.
I agree that Ray Stedman's works would be an asset. I would like to see his works added to Logos.
I am not a dispensationalist at all, but there is much good exposition in Stedman's work. I am not afraid to hold on to what is good, while rejecting what I do not agree with in anyone's work.
I am not a Calvinist either, but I have benefited from Calvin's Commentaries, and I am a real fan of Martyn Lloyd-Jones' work.
My library and my mind would both be smaller if I only read what I agree with.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
I am not a dispensationalist at all, but there is much good exposition in Stedman's work. I am not afraid to hold on to what is good, while rejecting what I do not agree with in anyone's work.
I am not a Calvinist either, but I have benefited from Calvin's Commentaries, and I am a real fan of Martyn Lloyd-Jones' work
[Y]
Blessings,
Floyd
Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
My library and my mind would both be smaller if I only read what I agree with.
[:P] So very true [:P]
AMEN!
I occasionally go to the PBC site to see if there is any relevant material.
Blessings,
Floyd
Blessings,
Floyd
Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com