Logos has overtaken Accordance for good
I began using Accordance Bible Software about ten years ago. At the time Accordance was a great product that offered promise. Over the years though its appeal to me has diminished so that I hardly use it any longer. To my mind Logos is superior to it in every department now, although a few years back the products were even. Accordance fails for several reasons a) Its resources are not as well produced as those of Logos. I have had over the years to send many corrections to Accordance for its commentaries and other resources. These errata were never fixed. b) Accordance offers very few resources in comparison with Logos. Accordance has continued to cater for a very narrow niche market, and has not ever expanded its vision for pastors. In addition, the resources of Accordance are very conservative theologically. c) Accordance offers only very laborious ways to arrange one's resources. d) Accordance is difficult and clumsy to use. It has never rid itself of the feel of working in an old Mac environment. e) Its lexicons do not always find the text one is looking for. f) Most unfortunate, its Windows version is abysmal, and frequently given to frequent crashes. There are one or two neat features and home grown resources, but none of these compare with the best Logos has to offer. With the passage of time Accordance has really begun to look its age, while Logos grows from strength to strength. I would like to commend Logos for its forward looking approach and for its excellence in production.
Luoar
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Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse? I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x. The basic desktop is coming along but is still rife with ads (yes I know I can turn them off) - but no real plethora of useful devotional material. Sigh.
I mostly use my Logos in a Bible study. Its slow that way and on a Surface Windows Pro 8.1 a bit sluggish as I try to use a stylus and the onboard keyboard, etc. By the time i find what I am looking for the next person in the group has been selected and we have all moved on. Sigh.
Olivetree has the picker... and Acc iOS can be set to it... no desktop app i know of beyond the Olivetree uses the picker and in a touch environment I can see how it would be speedier than the keyboard.
-Dan
PS: I love how the windows version brings up Proverbs 8:1, hopefully you will get a picker option,
Does not wisdom call?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
I personally use both. As I've mentioned on the Accordance forums, I consider each a different tool for a different job. Accordance launches faster than Logos and is lightning fast at searches, as well as its "Parallel Panes" feature is excellent for Biblical Language studies since I can fit more on the screen cleanly than I can Logos.
However, Logos has many more books (and I've invested a lot more in Logos) than Accordance, as well as I enjoy all the data sets and in house databases created by the Logos Research Team. The cloud syncing capabilities outshine Accordance as well.
Bottom line. I keep both open most of the time for my work. I consider both different tools in my toolbox of Bible Study apps.
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I just placed an order in Accordance totaling $678.22, among the things included in that were the New Interpreter's Bible. Combined with what I've got used from different sources I now have a fully functioning MT-LXX Parallel and the NT with the best lexicons and the apparatus to the Hebrew and the - but I don't need the GNT apparatus.
Logos marketing is so aggressive and combined with the amount of books they offer and how they offer new books (lower pre-pub prices for a few days when a book has entered pre-pub) and the way the "best" discounts are offered only in collections and base-packages, makes Logos a huge cost for the end-customer, not a way to save any money.
There's a Faithlife-group, one of You is even a member of it: https://faithlife.com/creating-a-budget-and-canceling-orders/activity ... where it's possibly to discuss about cancelling orders.
(EDIT: typo corrected. luoar, the NIV11 was an upgrade to the NIV84 plus there was another problem: that something was tied to another resource. Anyway what I would have wanted was the NIV11 separately in Accordance (I have NIV84) so I'll buy that directly instead. Could You email them about also wanting to include the Jewish Study Bible if no additional transfer fee? I'll pay You the difference in $$ to Your Logos Store Credit.)
I know MJ. would not advise to use two different pieces of software because there's too much overlap. Most of the overlap is the GNT and Septuagint. The English Bibles really don't overlap almost at all, I have to have the REB and 1959 OT/1971 NT RSV in both though. What I've hesitated to duplicate are English Bible dictionaries and theology/Church history encyclopedias.
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Great thread and thanks for the info Nathan. I read from a growing number that Accordance is superior in dealing with the Biblical text itself. Is there anything specifically w/the Bible texts and/or the english texts that Accordance does but Logos doesn't or is it simply that it's just better and easier in this area? For example how would Accordance compare with Logos's morph, clause search? Logos's syntax search is a bit cumbersome (not that I have a better idea), but would be especially interested if Accordance had this feature and if so, how does it compare? Appreciate your input as well as others! (And hope to see you "in the (learnlogos.com) webinar" tomorrow morning.)
Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse? I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x.
sorry, I disagree with you here. You simply cannot use the mouse (or fingers on touch screen) faster than you can type an abbreviated reference in Logos: "ge 17 5", "jn 3 16", etc.
only a voice search can potentially be faster
My ex brother in law was telling me there is a video game out there where you wear a special hat, and it reads your mind then relays your commands wirelessly to the game. Adjusts music and weather to suit your mood and so forth. Maybe a hat that controls logos could be faster. But I doubt speaking would be faster than typing.Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse? I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x.sorry, I disagree with you here. You simply cannot use the mouse (or fingers on touch screen) faster than you can type an abbreviated reference in Logos: "ge 17 5", "jn 3 16", etc.
only a voice search can potentially be faster
I type pretty fast.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
I type pretty fast.
Well that may well be but from Josh's context I was envisioning him with his tablet, needing to bring up the on screen keyboard to enter, at which point you already have lost seconds doing that. If he does have his keyboard with him, he still has to tap the screen and enter in the verse, which is not too much issue but seems to be leaving him behind.
-Dan
Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse? I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x. The basic desktop is coming along but is still rife with ads (yes I know I can turn them off) - but no real plethora of useful devotional material. Sigh.
That would take forever, why would you want to navigate the Bibles like that?
David ... is it true about the rumor concerning the job offer for you at Logos? Just (as usual) joking. 'Touch screen'. A good verse picker is a blessing in church on Sunday morning.
Plus a picker that allows backtracking in a chapter or book (like OliveTree) is even faster (hint, hint to the Logos iOSians).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
David ... is it true about the rumor concerning the job offer for you at Logos? Just (as usual) joking. 'Touch screen'. A good verse picker is a blessing in church on Sunday morning.
Plus a picker that allows backtracking in a chapter or book (like OliveTree) is even faster (hint, hint to the Logos iOSians).
Even on sunday morning shortcut typing is loads faster than picking. And backtracking in a chapter you would just scroll.....
While I do agree with your overall conclusion that Logos is a stronger set of tools than Accordance, I do not necessarily agree with some of your individual conclusion.
I do have and use both for different reasons. I am glad that have are different approaches to bible software.
The way I define both is that Accordance study mentality is analog while Logos is digital. While Logos emphasizes accumulation of resources to be searched, Accordance emphasis is in carefully selecting the right resources.
There is no doubt that Accordance searches are faster than Logos, regardless of the machine, both desktop and mobile app. Specially on older machines Accordance shines in that department. Accordance shines also in a clean and straightforward interface. Those who do language studies do appreciate that.
While there is no doubt that Logos is king in the resources department, Accordance have every essential and important resource available.
I do agree that Logos seems better suited for the working pastor while Accordance seems to attract more of the seminary and scholar type user.
One area that Logos is much better than Accordance is on the note and highlight areas. More flexible and powerful.
I do agree that Accordance app needs some work but it is not dependent from a internet connection like Logos is. Still Accordance app is faster than Logos app. Plus, Accordance app footprint is much smaller than Logos. I have every resource I own, Advance plus some extra resources including the WBC and it is only 2.9GB on my iPad while with Logos I don have as nearly as many resources installed in the iPad and it has 6.3GB.
While it is nice with Logos that I don't have to have everything installed in the iPad to have access to it, I do need to be connected to the internet to have access and to use all the guides. While I prefer Logos app while connected to the web and when I am using notes and highlights, when I don't have internet connection I rather use Accordance. For example, the look up function in Logos app without internet is useless while the Instant Display in Accordance app rocks. So both companies have to do some work on their mobile apps. Same with collections, you don't have access to them unless you are connected.
I do believe that overall, Logos is a much better tool and more forward thinking than Accordance. Logos is not afraid of innovating while Accordance believe their way is the best way and don't seem that open to reinvent the wheel. Logos tagging of resources seem to be more extensive and deeper. I personally love the guides in Logos. But Logos can be a bit intimidating at first. You have to take some courses in order to really leverage Logos power.
As far as support I would give Accordance support 5 our 5 stars. I think they have the best support by far. I would give Logos 3.5 our 5 star. Not bad but not stellar either. There has been to many emails gone unanswered or answered after 48 hours by Logos. Fortunately I haven't had any major problems either software.
One support example would be enough... When I first got Accordance I was a bit frustrated because I did not understood the software. Within 24 hours I had one of the owners in a video conference with me sharing screen and helping me. Yes, I am sure their user base is smaller compared to Logos, but still, they were there for me when I needed them. For some that is more important that guides, databases and the rest.
What would I chose today if I had none? I would choose Logos for sure because it gives me what I like.
What would I chose today if I had none? I would choose Logos for sure because it gives me what I like.
For me it might be difficult. Accordance has all the New Interpreter's products.. When it comes to mobile except highlighting texts (Accordance iOS has terrible selection options currently) it is much faster and greater pleasure to read from on my iPad and no internet connection is needed for anything but syncing and installing when you want to by pass your computer. I am not saying that Logos is horrible in the Mobile department just not ideal (but neither is ACC). All the core works I would want most are in ACC. I would hate to give up the wonderful works i have in Logos, but ACC would be enough for me and looking at start up costs would likely send me into ACC arms. $50 vs. $300 is a big difference for start packages.
-Dan
I think it would be nice for Logos to offer discounts like A-Company. Say for Overseas Service, etc. Acc is fast on searches. Fast. But the programs are hardly neck and neck--Logos has pulled ahead too far for me to look back.
and looking at start up costs would likely send me into ACC arms. $50 vs. $300 is a big difference for start packages.
This is by design. It takes Accordance 6 newbies to equal one Logos newbie. If each newbie makes a short 10 minute support call, Accordance is in it for 1 hour to every 10 minutes Logos is. Then there is the fact the Logos user has shown he is willing to spend serious money for his Bible software.
Yeah...It is no accident. It is by design.
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Yeah...It is no accident. It is by design.
I do know... but it is frustrating to have people wanting to get a start needing such a large outlay. I am not saying Logos base packages are not worth it just some people need a cheaper way to get in sometimes. And while Logos has some backend ways to do this nothing that is easy from the get go. My debate is not that Logos is doing something wrong, but that many Christians do not want to put out a larger amount, I feel it is reasonable, others may not. By having a $50 package it becomes fully accessible to get people's feet wet. Perhaps Logos is right to have it's $300 start point. I apparently am odd. I started by getting a few works and then eventually got a package. If I had thought or been lead to believe I needed to layout a $300 investment before using Logos I likely never would have. I hope all those like me discover the NAS collection or the Catholic Catechism collection. To get there way into Logos for It truly is a very good system. Accordance is fine too, but I do know that there are more expansion options in Logos.
-Dan
Dan, I think you are comparing apples with oranges. Logos and Accordance Starter packs are not in the same level.
Accordance Starter pack at $49 is a bare bone Accordance with only one main modern Bibles, the ESV and then the KJV. And only those two are tagged. Commentaries it only offer two one volume commentary and two basic dictionary Easton and Eerdmans.
Logos starter packages has all the main Bible translation and all are tagged (ESV, NKJB, KJV, NASB, NIV, NLT, The Message, NRSV, NCB and Good news (and others). It has the full Matthew henry Commentary and not just the condensed version.
And so on.
You truly need to invest between $199 and $299 with Accordance to get something substanctial. That said, I do agree that Logos Starter Package should be cheaper but even that price should not deter anyone as there is payment plans that allows anyone to get that and much more easily. To be fair, no matter what you choose you will need to spend much more to have a essential library of resources.
In my case I currently have Logos 5 Silver with many, many extra resources and Accordance Advance with several extra tools (resources).
Accordance Starter pack at $49 is a bare bone Accordance with only one main modern Bibles, the ESV and then the KJV. And only those two are tagged. Commentaries it only offer two one volume commentary and two basic dictionary Easton and Eerdmans. (...)
You truly need to invest between $199 and $299 with Accordance to get something substanctial. That said, I do agree that Logos Starter Package should be cheaper but even that price should not deter anyone as there is payment plans that allows anyone to get that and much more easily.
Just to add: Keith has done a thread comparing what you get when investing $50 into both, see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/89408.aspx
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I get commentaries such as Hermeneia or New Interpreter's Bible cheaper (H) or for the same price (NIB) in Accordance and they are better tagged. It's possible to easily transfer notes and highlightings from old Hermeneia Accordance modules to new or updated ones, see: Hermeneia Upgrade: How To?
Unlike Accordance Logos does have ICC and Continental Commentaries to complement H but I get better textual critical tools in Accordance, for example MT-LXX Parallel made by Tov, Comprehensive Bible, Comfort New Testament Text and Translation Commentary.
When it comes to general New Testament commentaries, Logos's strength is the Paideia series. But no other real strengths.
It's more fun to learn to use Accordance if You have an internet connection without a data cap (which I don't have) as there are many free podcasts, both about resources and the software. Fortunately I do have the Catholic Practicum videos in Logos.
Accordance resources are faster to organize in the library as sets are just a few modules (Logos lists every volume separately) and unlike Logos it's possible to leave the library open all the time if You want to.
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Isn't keeping the library open in Logos equal to clicking the Library-button? If You do something unrelated to that, it closes.
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I have both Accordance and Logos, and believe Accordance is far superior for careful study of the original languages, while Logos is superior in the number of books it offers. If I could only use one or the other, I would definitely go with Accordance, but I don't need to, so I use both of them for their respective strengths. Logos does a better job marketing itself, though, and is therefore a far bigger company.
First of all that thread is ancient.I have both Accordance and Logos, and believe Accordance is far superior for careful study of the original languages, while Logos is superior in the number of books it offers. If I could only use one or the other, I would definitely go with Accordance, but I don't need to, so I use both of them for their respective strengths. Logos does a better job marketing itself, though, and is therefore a far bigger company.
Secondly, is that something you really need to post on a Logos forum?
If you like Accordance better go post your sentiments on their forum.
I've tried it, and didn't like it as well, nor olive tree - picker included.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
Logos does a better job marketing itself, though, and is therefore a far bigger company.
For myself, it is not marketing that drives me and my acquaintances to Logos - it's resources. There are many of us for whom "careful study of the original languages" is not a major consideration. In fact, although I enjoy linguistic considerations, I know enough to let the real experts do real original language research. In our particular language department in Graduate school to measure if someone had really mastered a language we'd ask - do you have it in your bathroom[;)] A nearby department used "do you have dreams in language x" as the criteria ... but they had more spoken languages and fewer dead ones.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
To each their own.
Blessed with some additional "professional resources" funds at my previous church, I bought Accordance last Fall as an original language supplement after being told how much faster, easier and superior it was/is than Logos. That's what people keep saying, even on this forum.
Regardless... thus far, Accordance has been a disappointment. For instance, just a simple mouseover in Logos 6 yields more results via the information panel than even multiple click attempts on the same word in Accordance, not to mention than Accordance's "instant display", which is downright paltry in comparison. (For that matter, I've even found Bibleworks to be superior to Accordance.)
While I'm not a "linguist", I am a pastor with an earned DMin and MDiv level training in Greek and Hebrew. I find Logos gives me seamless access to both my commentaries and language tools as I use both on an almost daily basis. Btw, both Morris Proctor and John Fallahee have helped me tremendously to leverage Logos practically and effectively both in sermon preparation for expository messages and in my pastoral ministry. (Perhaps these two men were/are the catalyst, at least in part, for Logos's new wave of training videos over the last year or so. And, yes, I'm aware of and familiar with Accordance training videos. Very kind, capable folk, demonstrating an excellent program but I keep finding myself thinking, I can do "that" better, faster -- and deeper -- with Logos. Plus, the verbal interaction of other users is counter-productive more often than not.)
I'll continue to try to grow in my ability with Accordance since I have it and realize I'm not maximizing its functionality, but Logos keeps giving me reasons to keep putting off that quest.
So, KJB, while you have the freedom to promote another product's being "far superior" in an area than Logos, know that there are others who disagree with you.
Being an extremely long user of both Logos Mac and Accordance I will say each have definite strengths. This article i believed delved into them fairly well if I remember correctly (I did not review the entire thread this morning). If i had to choose between the two Accordance would win out for several reasons, that said I am very happy to have both and use both.
-Dan
I know it's been a few years since OP's post. I think that there is a role for both Logos 7 and Accordance.
A lot of the custom datasets (Biblical Sense, Cultural concepts, Propositional outlines, etc.) available on Logos are second to none. Also, I love the customization of guides.
But I will still use Accordance for most of my Bible searching.
I jotted down some of my thoughts in this post.
Pedro
Thanks Pedro, one thing I didn't see in the mobile section was the fact that Accordance's mobile app is self contained this does mean you have less power than Faithlife Apps but also you have constant access to all features that bncluding original language look up. Logos most assuredly has a far more vast selection but Accordance offers more than a few key resources unavailable in the FL. As I think I said earlier in this thread each program has its strengths and weaknesses let each one use what will best serve each one.
Dan
PS:One more FL thing is a light version for free sort of exists. One can download the free engine be and get Faithlife study bible collection and the Lexham English Bible. And grab the connect the testaments devotional and have a free study system that although has no original language tie in has a great study bible, very decent modern dictionary, a nice devotional and a solid modern translation.
one thing I didn't see in the mobile section was the fact that Accordance's mobile app is self contained this does mean you have less power than Faithlife Apps but also you have constant access to all features that bncluding original language look up
This has been a killer issue for me. I'm devoting most of my resources to Accordance now because of this. When I first started out looking at bible software, my primary goal was to find something on my tablet that I could take with me anywhere and be able to do word lookups and be able to pull up commentaries quickly during bible studies. I picked Logos back then because of the huge library, the active forum community, and I believed that support was so requested for offline lookups that it was surely around the corner. Four years later and nearly $40k invested and Simple Offline Lookups is still at the top of User Voice requests and still no where in sight. In fact, it's pretty clear that Faithlife is moving more and more towards a online only version of desktop as well as mobile. This would be fine if we lived in the always connected world they must live in out there in Bellingham. Unfortunately, here in Atlanta, the churches I attend don't have such access, and they are very large churches. Accordance for iOS now fills this need for me and they are working on an Android version which, hopefully, is coming soon.
Accordance offers more than a few key resources unavailable in the FL
This is another place where I don't understand Faithlife's silence on great resources like Carta. Especially when they also have a very poor map (and timeline) implementation compared to Accordance.
each program has its strengths and weaknesses let each one use what will best serve each one.
[Y] I'm ranting a little bit but I do strongly believe this. I love and respect both companies and they both make great products that help me learn more effectively. It's just hard sometimes when you've invested so much and have to go elsewhere when features and resources that are so obviously wanted get ignored.
This is another place where I don't understand Faithlife's silence on great resources like Carta. Especially when they also have a very poor map (and timeline) implementation compared to Accordance.
Carta is a great example. As is the often requested Holman Bible Commentary (Logos offers NT only). Modern Torah commentary is another one for me and even the smaller works of New Interpreter's Study Bible and New Interpreter's One Volume commentary come to mind immediately. Now the MTC may not be something FL wish to go after, but the Abingdon and Broadman products are a big head scratcher as to why they have never been offered.
-Dan
This is another place where I don't understand Faithlife's silence on great resources like Carta.
I have often spoken about my desire to have Carta in Logos. Currently I don't own any other Bible software other than Logos but thinking about Carta makes we wonder whether I should give up waiting for Logos to work out a deal with Carta and take the plunge but I really don't want to do this.
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Accordance for iOS now fills this need for me and they are working on an Android version which, hopefully, is coming soon.
BREAKING NEWS: attendees of SBL/AAR can stop by the booth and see a running demo of Accordance Mobile running on an Android tablet!
-Dan
I know it's been a few years since OP's post. I think that there is a role for both Logos 7 and Accordance.
A lot of the custom datasets (Biblical Sense, Cultural concepts, Propositional outlines, etc.) available on Logos are second to none. Also, I love the customization of guides.
But I will still use Accordance for most of my Bible searching.
I jotted down some of my thoughts in this post.
Pedro
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Yes, the review is good.
Regarding to the timeline, I can live with the Logos version. But I guess neither has the possibility for user editing (adding, modifying)
Logos Atlas and the links to maps has room for improvement. Meanwhile, I bought the Sacred Bridge book version. It works like an additional screen.
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I really wish Sacred Bridge would come to Logos...
But I guess neither has the possibility for user editing (adding, modifying)
In Accordance you have nearly the same possibility like the developers. You can add/delete/move in the Timeline and in the Atlas. In the Atlas you can create user layouts, etc. For example if you think the way of the Israelites from Egypt to Sinai is on another route you can change this too.
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I think it would be very easy for Accordance or even Olive Tree to overtake and surpass Logos. Just develop a fast easy intuitive menu and simplify basic search capability - combined with lower cost books.
I do hope Logos wins but I do not find it that much of an improvement really. Many times I abandon the use of Logos and look for something far faster on the regular internet.
7.x should be overhauled, simplified, and tailored for real world use.
I think it would be very easy for Accordance or even Olive Tree to overtake and surpass Logos. Just develop a fast easy intuitive menu and simplify basic search capability - combined with lower cost books.
I do hope Logos wins but I do not find it that much of an improvement really. Many times I abandon the use of Logos and look for something far faster on the regular internet.
7.x should be overhauled, simplified, and tailored for real world use.
I used Olive Tree, and after trying out Logos, I felt that Logos was light years ahead of Olive Tree, and never went back. I don't miss Olive Tree.
I understand that you're not happy with the (speed, ease of use, or) complexity of Logos, but there are many different real world uses for the program, from personal study to sermon prep to academic research.
"Simplifying" the program, and tailoring it to some narrow use, would "cripple" the program and make it less useful for others in general. The more flexible option is to understand how to use the program's tools and features to meet a specific need for that time.
Does it have a steep learning curve? Yes. But it's better for us to learn how to use it, than for the program to be dumbed down. Less features, power, or complexity isn't necessarily better, and there will come a day when you are glad it is as complex and powerful as it is.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
7.x should be overhauled, simplified, and tailored for real world use.
I have the impression that 7 represents quite a big overhaul which happened from 6 onwards. I'm using the same laptop with no upgrades and Logos feels faster. Custom default layouts which load from the home screen search make it feel more comfortable and lean than ever. The results I get and the resources which it draws upon are all based on preferences I have developed over years of study - it's really quite a delight to use!
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7.x should be overhauled, simplified, and tailored for real world use.
The problem is that users as a whole belong to many different "real worlds" ...no single "bubble" represents common, "real world" use. With assistance on building a common layout, small groups in my "bubble" have no problems using Logos in the basic ways needed in the small group. I understand that you do not believe that to be true for your small groups but fail to understand the issue with the proposed solutions.
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None of the new features of Logos 7 have made any real difference to me. I did upgrade for the books in the package. I took Logos now only for the discount it gave me.
I would have been much more impressed with more intuitive searching and increased speed. For me, anything else is fluff.
But I am not the target customers.
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Mr. Childs apparently none of us are [:)]
I think a massive overhaul and simplification of the interface and gearing it toward beginners and intermediate users (instead of original language scholars) is more in order. Logos developers - God bless them all sincerely - seem to have their head in the clouds and are not thinking revamp, simplify, and improve.
gearing it toward beginners and intermediate users
This is, in my mind, what the interactives do. But the publishers and resources provided through Logos imply that the perceived market is not the average pew-warmer but is the active volunteer/self-motivated student and up. Some of the free or nearly free programs fit the needs of the average pew-warmer.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Well apparently tighter integration into cloud and features that are online only seem to be the way FL wants to go but these things are opposite of my wishes, I am not who they are aiming at either I guess..
-Dan
Mr. Childs apparently none of us are
I think a massive overhaul and simplification of the interface and gearing it toward beginners and intermediate users (instead of original language scholars) is more in order.
If Logos is too complex or sophisticated, please exchange it for a simpler program that does less. Otherwise, rise to the occasion, educate yourself, and discover what it can do, instead of asking that the developers dumb it down.
Logos developers - God bless them all sincerely - seem to have their head in the clouds and are not thinking revamp, simplify, and improve.
Have you ever worked as a software developer?
You could take some time off from your current studies, design and create a bible study program to do exactly what you want, and the only person that might be truly happy with it is you. Now try to write it so 10, or 100, or 1000 of your fellow bible study participants would be happy with it. Congratulations, you've got a hit on your hands. Enjoy your market share, new career and 5-star reviews.
Sadly, Josh, there will always be one person who gives your amazing program a 1-star review, and complains about how your program is out of touch with anyone's needs, is too complex, etc.
The software developers at Logos do a really great job. It's not easy to release new versions, and add or improve features, every few weeks.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
I'd agree with many of your points. I was looking forward to the Accordance Windows version, having listened to the Accordance users. I wasn't wildly happy-fied. Plus the iOS app is a pain. I'd say the Logos app is far better.
That said, for new users and friends, I'd probably recommend Olive Tree first, and if the person likes to delve into the languages a bit, then Accordance. Most people have others things they need to do in their lives. Both are developing a nice set of Bible resources and both easy to pick up, along with other of life's travails.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Sorry guys, but I disagree very much.
Accordance is the fastest app (windows/iOS) I have tried so far. Whenever I search some words, some ideas, or verses or anything, Accordance gives me back quickly what I need.
I agree that Logos as very large list of books, and that is why I buy on Logos and read a lot on Logos, but searching? Accordance. I agree that on windows Logos has a very good use, but someway it is hard to find good stuff if you don't make great use of collection and tagging. Accordance is more selective and simplified, with just Very Good resources.
On iOS I cannot believe someone can say something bad about Accordance. If you have just 10 sec and you need to find anything...you can find it on Accordance.
Logos returned 60m results from my library in well under 30 seconds. Can you do a search in accordance that can bring back 60m results? and how long does it take?
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
I encourage people to look at each and decide which one will be better, sadly for all Logos' great features, those who cannot afford too much I recommend Accordance hands down. $50 gets you a modern decent one volume commentary, ESV tied to original language, a great modern one volume dictionary, as well as dozens of other highly valued classically works. When all is said and done both are valuable and I would not want to be without either. Accordance will always have a smaller Library to draw from, that being said 75% of the works I consider essential are now available in Accordance. If Logos imploded tomorrow I would not feel overly hard done by with the selection of books that are in Accordance now (that being said a large number of available works in Accordance I own in Logos, simply because they were in Logos first, but so ironically often not as cheap as in Accordance, but then ACC lacks the dynamic reference tagging from one resource to another usually (Scripture references are always tagged, but jumping from say a reference in the NIB to the passage in WBC is not automatically done)).
I am sorry you are not finding Accordance valuable any longer, but that being said perhaps you can sell it and use the money to increase your Logos Library.
-Dan
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Happy-fied? My new word of the month. Cool.