Logos 6
Any projections on the release date of Logos 6?
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Robert Peters said:
Any projections on the release date of Logos 6?
Just a guess but I would say it is probably too soon to even think about 6. With L4 it was three years before we got L5, and we are just shy of two years right now of time passed by. Before 4, times were even greater. They are still adding great NEW features to L5 with every major update. For instance, the current beta has a "send to kindle" feature!
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I think next year.
Blessings in Christ.
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This is not a guess! Most probably this month, or by the end of this year...0
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Everett Doonand said:
This is not a guess! Most probably this month, or by the end of this year...
??? [^o)]
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Blessings in Christ.
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I say we digitally stone Everett by blocking him from the forums. After all, he has already proven to be a false prophet with his Oct. 1 Logos 6 prediction. Let's be biblical about this; he's a false prophet (and he's being a douché).
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Well, the longer that they keep glueing stuff on to the L4/L5 archetecture, the longer it'll take to dig out for L6 (or L7). Hopefully they're writing parallel.
But Everitt should feel in fine company with religious prophets in general and the NT specifically. All that's necessary is a re-dating and a decent explanation, and he'll be good to go.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Where is Howard Camping when you need him?
Shalom
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What a kind thoughts! Did you forgot The First Amendment (freedom of speech)? I never said 1 October was the release date. Can you prove me this? Anyway if I could tell and prove the advance of L6 architecture my posts will be removed. You want to bet? Like I said, stay tuned! That's my opinion... [:D]Brian W. Davidson said:
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anyone else in favor of the censuring of Everett Doonand by barring him from posting until the actual advent of L6 be that a month or a year (or longer)?
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The best thing to do is just not respond to his post.
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He may have an insider info. Probably it could come before the end of this year.
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Now, now. Predicting the future with 'dating issues' is a long tradition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events And judging from the impressive frequency, the behavior seems to increase by failure. So, the more wrong predictions, the more there will be! Go Everitt!!
Actually most Logosians are completely unaware that we are dead center of Hagee's prediction involvling the blood-red moon. And unaware for good reason. Would you be buying Logos books that had only 6 months to go??
Plus, may I smilingly note ... given the frequency with which rather well regarded Christian leaders are wrong about the future (Africanus being a great candidate), may I not so humbly suggest the classic: http://www.amazon.com/When-Prophecy-Fails-Leon-Festinger/dp/1578988527 Only $2 on Kindle. You have 6 months or so to 'catch up'. Get crackin'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I see it as very unlikely that it comes this year. And either way I'm one of those who won't upgrade no matter what new content and databases there will be. I'm sorry I ever upgraded to the generic Logos 5 base-package Bronze, I'm thinking hard about whether there are any further resources I can use, in it. It's not the worst base-packages, so I don't have alternative recommendations for those wanting to go that route. But the Verbum Foundations+ upgrade has been really good. What I'm saying is that with all the books the generic Bronze contains I could have hand-picked the ones I will like and bought them individually and it would not have been any waste of money even though I would not have saved a lot compared to getting the base-package. If I would have known how much fun it would have been to hand-pick, I would have done that.
The average book in contained in a base-package is a real disappointment.
I'm not interested in most mid- and no high level base-packages because they contain commentaries and languages resources I don't need or don't want to duplicate. I have my best languages tools in Accordance, except LSJ. Regarding commentaries there are always better alternatives than the ones contained in base-packages, and tin the rare case hen there's an OK set it's included in high levels and I really rather go for individual volumes. The only exception being Old Testament For Everyone by Goldingay in the Anglican Bronze package.The very few books I need from mid-level base-packages I get separately, such as Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (the regular price has went down) and the Concise Oxford English Dictionary. (it was on a monthly sale)
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I need to start a Logos 6 fund. My guess is next year after Windows 10 arrives.
There's really not a whole lot more I see as needful, but I could be wrong. The more they can squeeze into tablet Logos would be nice.
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I just updated a thread I created back in April: My Protestant base-package upgrade choice (from OLL).
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They might break the pattern this year, since prepubs have been kind of slow. They've been having like between 7 and 15 prepubs per month lately (I could be wrong) so it might be a sign that L6 might be here before the year is over (maybe next month). It doesn't matter if the program is not fully functional, it never really is anyway. Much like L4 and L5. They've gotten it to work at a descent level, release it and then just update it constantly during the lifetime of that particular version -- which I don't mind, since the new content makes up for the lack of functionality most of the time. So if L6 is coming this year, bring it on Logos, I'm ready!
DAL
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From a a marketing perspective releasing logos 6 in the immediate near future would be a bad move in my opinion. Now I am sure they have new datasets, new tools, ect., but they just released their denominational based packages. I doubt they have exhausted their market pull for those packages yet. I think a year would be the best bet.
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Robert Peters said:
they just released their denominational based packages. I doubt they have exhausted their market pull for those packages yet. I think a year would be the best bet.
That would be the only major reason keeping them from releasing L6 this year. They could still do it by adding new content to the already new denominational base packages. Or they might just add the new features and data sets and say, "Well, since the new denominational BP's just came out, we're not adding new content, we're just updating the datasets for free for everyone..." LOL
DAL
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Faithlife will never do such a move - it would favour the denominational base-package plus create a deficit as selling datasets is their only source of income from some categories of customer, plus they don't tend to give any free upgrades to whole categories of customers because they always want a source of income. Them giving the engine for free is what they have committed to, I really doubt they want to make new commitments. And there would be a dilemma: should they give the L5 datasets as well to the denominational users that don't have all of them (Start, Bronze, Verbum Basic+ and Verbum Foundations+ -levels)?:
DAL said:"Well, since the new denominational BP's just came out, we're not adding new content, we're just updating the datasets for free for everyone..." LOL
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based on previous releases, Fall 2015
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DAL said:
Or they might just add the new features and data sets
Why do they have to call the next release L6 if they add new features (and data sets)? It could be 5.4 that they're working on now for all I know, and I'd be pleased. As long as it has some of my pet features I've been wanting, like better control of sub-books in multi-book volumes. (Go vote on it if you haven't yet.)
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I agree with Rosie. People will judge the software by what's actually introduced in new versions, whether it will be 5.4 or 6.0. The less exciting the new version will be, the less excitement there will be on the forums and among customers in general and new customers won't be impressed. Releasing 6.0 prematurely may attract some completely new customers but will at least equally much contribute to lower expectations on the software and database development.
I hope Faithlife has not made up their mind yet about what to call the next release: 5.4 or 6.0. I would even welcome a 5.5 before 6 - if 5.5 would come out in the Summer 2015 with great new features and some database it would really prove Logos cares about both old and new customers and the development would be rapid and would help spreading the word about Faithlife among new people!! [:D] Then I'd be ready to recommend Logos 6 to others (such as completely new users) in late 2015 even though I'm not upgrading myself but I have good reasons not to:Rosie Perera said:Why do they have to call the next release L6 if they add new features (and data sets)? It could be 5.4 that they're working on now for all I know, and I'd be pleased.
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I know but features do matter as well, they should introduce 5.4 and 5.5 on the front pages of Logos.com and Verbum.com and tell about new features.
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here is my guess is that logos is to continue to improve the learning software experience. When it does come out you will have faithlife completely integrated into logos. I do not think it will be called logos anymore, but faith life 1.0. I am wondering how much more can they do. This makes a year more feasible they have to exhaust the market they have as much as possible.
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Robert Peters said:
here is my guess is that logos is to continue to improve the learning software experience. When it does come out you will have faithlife completely integrated into logos. I do not think it will be called logos anymore, but faith life 1.0. I am wondering how much more can they do. This makes a year more feasible they have to exhaust the market they have as much as possible.
I think that you may be onto something here, but then again Logos would want to keep the academic and critical customers who might be turned off by the faithlife brand.
To be honest I have never understood how faithlife works, I have never really tried but it is certainly not intuitive or user friendly, and unlike Logos, I have never felt any need to pay it attention.
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Mike Pettit said:
... but then again Logos would want to keep the academic and critical customers who might be turned off by the faithlife brand...
The software, will still be called Logos, it is the company alone that has changed names. See:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/89382.aspx
Martin Weber said:Our Bible software will still be produced under the name "Logos."
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https://blog.logos.com/2014/09/logos-is-faithlife/
Logos Blog said:Logos Bible Software is still our flagship product, and we’re not changing its name. You’ll still find it at Logos.com.
keep in mind that their is now NOET.com for academic and critical customers and faithlife is working on a desktop version of NOET, as we speak. Personally, I think they should have used Lexham for the company name, it sounds a lot cooler and mysterious to my ears.
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BKMitchell said:
Personally, I think they should have used Lexham for the company name, it sounds a lot cooler and mysterious to my ears.
Nah, that name isn't even kosher, you know what I mean? [:P]
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Denise said:
All that's necessary is a re-dating and a decent explanation, and he'll be good to go.
Let's see, "October 1st", "this month", "later this year".....He is sounding like a horoscope. Throw out enough guesses and one of them has to be right.
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Traditionally, the best prophesies are 'this generation' or 'some of you will see ...'. That keeps the clock ticking past ones funeral at least. But it's a bit ticklish, since Logos could skip to Logos7 (a major unbelievable complete re-write with half of Logos5's tools promised for Logos8).
I agree on the name 'Lexham'. It's so Batman-ish when combined with a major German theologian that carried around a small hammer. I'd think 'Faithlife' speaks volumes about the next markets Logos is targeting. Last month, as we drove south from Salt Lake City (after the conference but just coincidental), and scanning the gorgeous cloud-scrapers built by the supplement companies, Faithlife again came to mind.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Traditionally, the best prophesies are 'this generation' or 'some of you will see ...'
Denise said:Logos could skip to Logos7
No idea whether they'll do that for the next major release, but whenever they do a Logos 7, they're going to have to stop there, because 7 is the number of completeness. So for that reason, they'll probably not skip right ahead to L7. In fact, they might put off incrementing to L6 as long as possible. So maybe we'll see 5.4, 5.4a, 5.4b and so on, 5.5, ..., 5.9, 5.9.1, 5.9.2, 5.9.2a, and so on, as they try to drag it out longer and longer before bumping it up to 6. So maybe L6 won't come out until after this generation has passed away. By then Bob won't be CEO anymore either, so someone else might decide to rename the product. It won't look anything like it does now, either. It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash! All our books will be updated on the fly wirelessly from the Bionet. We will open our mouths and speak out perfectly organized and supremely wise sermons, crafted with the aid of Logos's AI (Artificial Inspiration) module, which will interoperate with Windows 42's "brain-wave-to-speech" processor.
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Rosie Perera said:Denise said:
Traditionally, the best prophesies are 'this generation' or 'some of you will see ...'
Denise said:
Logos could skip to Logos7
No idea whether they'll do that for the next major release, but whenever they do a Logos 7, they're going to have to stop there, because 7 is the number of completeness. So for that reason, they'll probably not skip right ahead to L7. In fact, they might put off incrementing to L6 as long as possible. So maybe we'll see 5.4, 5.4a, 5.4b and so on, 5.5, ..., 5.9, 5.9.1, 5.9.2, 5.9.2a, and so on, as they try to drag it out longer and longer before bumping it up to 6. So maybe L6 won't come out until after this generation has passed away. By then Bob won't be CEO anymore either, so someone else might decide to rename the product. It won't look anything like it does now, either. It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash! All our books will be updated on the fly wirelessly from the Bionet. We will open our mouths and speak out perfectly organized and supremely wise sermons, crafted with the aid of Logos's AI (Artificial Inspiration) module, which will interoperate with Windows 42's "brain-wave-to-speech" processor.
There are already implementations of thought to (computer action) out there. Generally used to help people overcome certain types of infirmities (locked in syndrome for instance) its on the cusp of entering our homes via the video game market. My ex brother-in-law was telling me that he's beta testing a video game controller that you wear on your head, after some calibration as you think it, the action occurs on the screen. Happy mood? Happy background music, sun is shining etc. Unhappy mood? thunder, lighting, and darkness. Its apparently pretty advanced but (he thinks) not quite ready for prime time yet. All that to say, it may be coming to a bible software near you sooner than you might think. Maybe thats the october surprise
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abondservant said:
Happy mood? Happy background music, sun is shining etc. Unhappy mood? thunder, lighting, and darkness.
We had that technology in the 1970's. We called it a mood ring.
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Denise said:
I agree on the name 'Lexham'. It's so Batman-ish when combined with a major German theologian that carried around a small hammer.
Correction: It is superman-ish. Haven't you heard of Lexham Luther?
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Alabama, you nailed me. I'm forever mixing up Nietzche and Batman. They're so much alike.
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Rosie Perera said:
It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash!
I wonder if there will be different size chips for different size brains. If that is the case I would think Portfolio sales would probably be rare.[;)]
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Fredc said:Rosie Perera said:
It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash!
I wonder if there will be different size chips for different size brains. If that is the case I would think Portfolio sales would probably be rare.
We all have roughly the same size brain. It's just a question of how much of it we use. :-)
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Rosie Perera said:
It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash!
What about embedded in a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads?
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From Wikipedia: "On November 2, 2009, Logos announced Logos Bible Software 4 and on November 6, 2012, Logos announced Logos Bible Software 5". Just a little history...0
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Which if the pattern is followed, means we won't see anything till 2015.Everett Doonand said:From Wikipedia: "On November 2, 2009, Logos announced Logos Bible Software 4 and on November 6, 2012, Logos announced Logos Bible Software 5". Just a little history...
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12.5 would be correct, presuming Logos pursued a normal distribution (with a standard deviation of approximately 3 days). Munching down this rabbit trail a bit, the limited sampling could be accepted given the significant difference between delivery dates on product shipment (e.g. NA28) vs major update.
However, a valid prophecy could shift the standard deviation by as much as 400 days (give or take).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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yeah my bad, I meant 2015
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Mike Pettit said:Rosie Perera said:
It will be embedded in bionic chip implants in our brains and we'll be able to memorize Scripture in a flash!
What about embedded in a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads?
Whatever it takes, I don't believe in fairy tales anyway. How about having WWW as a password or our social security numbers...LOL...I always get a kick out of those ridiculous theories. Perhaps a big "L" should be put on the foreheads of those who believe in such childish things.
By the way, Logos 6 is here! Except they're still calling it Logos 5 but this time with "Smart Selection." LOL What won't they think of next? Riot, riot! LOL
DAL
Ps. Let me prophecise a little here: There will be a small riot by some infuriated users, due to Logos having to download a "massive" update and having to re-index all of your resources. This will take place on October 26th, 2014. Blessed are those who don't have a large base package and only a few resources, their tribulation won't last long! And blessed are those who own a bunch of resources and endure all the downloads and re-indexing for once they get through with them, they'll be able to use Logos 5 again with the new Smart Selection that promises to make the art of selecting text "faster." LOL
Now, let the whining begin! (Note: Please start a new thread for the complaints and whining -- by the way, I'm not whining, this was just a prophecy of things "soon to come" LOL).
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OK guys! Time to prepare your wallets. Something new and big it's approaching. It has something to do with the Journal updates and Massive update (26 October). Stay tuned and happy... Out...0
