How many commentaries are to many?
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This thread caused me to peruse the commentary section on Logos. And I ran across The Complete Classic Commentaries Bundle -- 1537 volumes of various classic commentaries, with coverage on all the books of the Bible. It contains some commentaries that are already in base packages, so this seems a good way to pick up a lot of commentaries all at once that you don't already own.
https://www.logos.com/product/33554/the-complete-classic-commentaries-bundle
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I've had my eye on that, it can be helpful to know how people thought about things in the past, in conjunction with the present.Cynthia Tucker said:This thread caused me to peruse the commentary section on Logos. And I ran across The Complete Classic Commentaries Bundle -- 1537 volumes of various classic commentaries, with coverage on all the books of the Bible. It contains some commentaries that are already in base packages, so this seems a good way to pick up a lot of commentaries all at once that you don't already own.
https://www.logos.com/product/33554/the-complete-classic-commentaries-bundle
I pick up a few titles here and there over time from that collection... Maybe it will be in reach one day.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I pick up a few titles here and there over time from that collection... Maybe it will be in reach one day
Yep, for me it's the equivalent of some of the higher base packages, but I definitely want it. I'll get some of these titles when I upgrade to Reformed Portfolio, and then I'll add a few individual titles until I'm close to owning them all.
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Just know that if you buy them seperately, and not on sale or as part of a base package, they cost around 5$ a volume.
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Keeping in mind that 'commentary' means linkable to a text milestone (Bible or otherwise). There's quite a few commentary volumes that are monographs (not directly linkable).
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abondservant said:
Just know that if you buy them seperately, and not on sale or as part of a base package, they cost around 5$ a volume.
Thanks. That's good to know. This thread is getting me in so much trouble. Now I've got all these commentaries on my wish list. But I really like that it tells you if the set can be found in a package. In one case a smaller Anglican base package was only $70 more than the commentary set, so I'm glad I'm doing this research.
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How many good Christian friends are too many?
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Here's my 2 cents- I have 3912 commentaries- with approx. 400 more in pre-pub or CP,
Do I use them all- not in full, but it is good to read men of different flavors through the ages and their remarks or understanding of a passage. I am always amazed at how much of how they thought or understood has NOT been lost through the years.
We can never read all we buy unless we bought one book at a time- but study requires us to be more judicious with our time, at 60 time has become something I have grown truly to appreciate the fact it cannot be wasted.
I work on the road 12 months a year, only home for a 4 day weekend each month or when I'm on vacation. I have a 2 yr degree from Bible College, but am basically self taught through study and the availability of resources provided by other preachers, and institutions on the internet.
Having said that, Logos is a very valuable tool to me, and when I leave this life, its going to be left to another individual to take advantage of- so remember don't for get to do a "will"- there is a pastor, elder, deacon, layman or bible/ seminary student who would benefit greatly from your ability to collect this resource in your life time. Don't let it quit working when you do [;)]
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I'm still wanting a "like" button on the forums! [:)] a lot of good comments, funny remarks and some well-laid out thoughts, such as from Doc B and abondservant.
Here is why I don't think you can have "too many:" similiar to Doc B's experience who used 30 commentaries to bolster his point, there are times when you want a good rigorous debate over a passage, especially over a particular point, and you may be surprised to find that many of the commentaries may just skip over it--you will need to wade through some until you find one that addresses it, and maybe a few more who corroborate or cogently disagree.
Some commentaries don't seem to engage in "deep" or "original" thinking. By deep, I mean, to consider a wider context, to wrestle with how this scripture compares or contrasts with others and how we are to integrate it into theology and/or life. By "original" I mean, they sometimes just parrot what others have said, eg, responding to the comments of others, and have not done the "deep" thinking required to unearth some gems of their own. Some series (for good or for ill) do that more consistently, like Paidea or the Socio-Rhetorical sets.
Which brings me to a valuable experience I had early in my training. While learning to use a concordance and original language tools and I would wade through scriptures and begin to form my own ideas before looking at the commentaries or lexica. I was pretty excited to discover some of the "big boys" (or girls, as it were!) discovered what I had--which boosted my confidence, as well as made for a deeper heart-experience within me, because I had done the work, vs. merely read someone else's conclusion), and at other times, I had some fresh ideas that others had not come up with. --lol, now take that fwiw, sometimes fresh means "spurious" or "heretical", lol, there may be a reason others have not thought of it, or at least discarded that thought! [:D]
That said, I still use commentaries a lot, I enjoy some of them, and they are discussion partners with me when I don't have people around to discuss and learn with me. Happy commentary hunting/buying/using!
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But if there's someone who doesn't have other NT commentaries, Paideia is a good choice, right?:
Dan DeVilder said:Some commentaries don't seem to engage in "deep" or "original" thinking. By deep, I mean, to consider a wider context, to wrestle with how this scripture compares or contrasts with others and how we are to integrate it into theology and/or life. By "original" I mean, they sometimes just parrot what others have said, eg, responding to the comments of others, and have not done the "deep" thinking required to unearth some gems of their own. Some series (for good or for ill) do that more consistently, like Paidea or the Socio-Rhetorical sets.
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When you have as many as I do, and want more. I am addicted.
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Unix said:
But if there's someone who doesn't have other NT commentaries, Paideia is a good choice, right?:
Dan DeVilder said:Some commentaries don't seem to engage in "deep" or "original" thinking. By deep, I mean, to consider a wider context, to wrestle with how this scripture compares or contrasts with others and how we are to integrate it into theology and/or life. By "original" I mean, they sometimes just parrot what others have said, eg, responding to the comments of others, and have not done the "deep" thinking required to unearth some gems of their own. Some series (for good or for ill) do that more consistently, like Paidea or the Socio-Rhetorical sets.
Hey Unix, first, I have not used all of their commentaries--scratch that, not used "most." So I cannot comment on all of them. I recommend it based on my limited experience and their stated approach: they don't go verse by verse, but look at pericopes, larger sections and flow of scripture. That approach alone is different than most.
But to you point, if others don't have NT commentaries, or many, Paideia does not yet have the full complement of New Testament books in their set, they only have 11 volumes covering 14 of the 27 NT books (with a twelfth volume on John's Epistles under development) To my knowledge they do not have OT. So they will be helpful if you are focusing on books that they have. You can buy them individually, as well.
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Michael Childs said:
When you have as many as I do, and want more. I am addicted.
"Hello, 'Michael!" (you are amongst friends, here, like any good dysfunctional 12 Step group! [:P])
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He has Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library (29 vols.) as well, forgot to mention that, it contains a couple of introductions which should cover the Gospels and serve in the same way as introductions in commentaries:
Dan DeVilder said:Paideia does not yet have the full complement of New Testament books in their set, they only have 11 volumes covering 14 of the 27 NT books (with a twelfth volume on John's Epistles under development). To my knowledge they do not have OT.
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John Kaess said:
What is this "too many" of which you speak?
did I detect a sly sense of humor there?[;)]
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In the old days the shelf space use to help answer this perennial question... now it is the HD space.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
In the old days the shelf space use to help answer this perennial question... now it is the HD space.
Which is a lot less expensive and easier to relocate when you move. [:)]
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Bruce Dunning said:Dan Francis said:
In the old days the shelf space use to help answer this perennial question... now it is the HD space.
Which is a lot less expensive and easier to relocate when you move.
aint' it great???!!!
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Dan Francis:
In the old days the shelf space use to help answer this perennial question... now it is the HD space.Which is a lot less expensive and easier to relocate when you move.
Also Dan & Bruce if we run out of space we can Upgrade to a larger SSD [:D]
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Lee said:
I was just thinking the other day how many are to many?
i didnt know the answer to your question when I first saw it so I did a search of all my commentaries for the answer. Since I did not find the answer through my search the answer must be at least one more set than I curently own :-)
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I have 2605 on mobile.
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Nice one more than i currently own [;)] The reason i started this post is that after the L6 upgrade i find that 40 - 50 commentaries for each book of the Bible.. I have 50 for Romans.
I have been thinking do i really need the Classic commentary for Romans also?
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I stopped buying the classic commentaries some time ago ... I realised that I was simply not using them ... and that they are so expensive ... not on a per commentary basis ... but let us say $50 per set ... times 66 books of the bibles is a big lump of money that would be better spent on NICNT/NICOT/Anchor/<add a modern set here>.
The way I was looking at it was that trawling through the older commentaries was unlikely to produce any insights that have not been covered by the modern commentators ... assuming that they have done a diligent level of research themselves. Then that may reflect my not being in academia and not spotting potential nuances in the texts.
That said ... I still get the shakes at the thought that I returned some commentaries and have passed on some 'bargains'[:$]
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I have some older commentaries and they are interesting as comparison with new. But for the most part, if I want old commentaries, I prefer paper so I can sneeze over the musty smell and blow dust off the bindings, open the darkened yellowing pages and run a finger over the textured paper, note the scribbles of some reader eons ago, read a few lines and marvel how language has changed and then replace it reverently on the shelf. I can't get excited about investing too heavily in electronic classics that rob me of the main reason to have them.
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I kept Romans till I could really decide if it was worth it to me- deleted it today- I'll use the $84 on something else.
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Gao Lu said:
I have some older commentaries and they are interesting as comparison with new. But for the most part, if I want old commentaries, I prefer paper so I can sneeze over the musty smell and blow dust off the bindings, open the darkened yellowing pages and run a finger over the textured paper, note the scribbles of some reader eons ago, read a few lines and marvel how language has changed and then replace it reverently on the shelf. I can't get excited about investing too heavily in electronic classics that rob me of the main reason to have them.
Lol, Gao, you're awesome! There IS something missing, now, isn't there? How DO we digitize dust and old scrawly notes?! Great point!
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I only purchased 3 classic sets. Psalms, Proverbs, Apocrypha are the only ones I have bought. Psalms was worth it to me I am up in the air with the other 2 sets.
-Dan
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I would like to own the set in full one day, however for now I've been picking up the sets germain to whatever I'm studying... Considering picking up CC&S on Thessalonians next month.Dan Francis said:I only purchased 3 classic sets. Psalms, Proverbs, Apocrypha are the only ones I have bought. Psalms was worth it to me I am up in the air with the other 2 sets.
-Dan
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Cynthia Tucker said:
This thread caused me to peruse the commentary section on Logos. And I ran across The Complete Classic Commentaries Bundle -- 1537 volumes of various classic commentaries, with coverage on all the books of the Bible. It contains some commentaries that are already in base packages, so this seems a good way to pick up a lot of commentaries all at once that you don't already own.
https://www.logos.com/product/33554/the-complete-classic-commentaries-bundle
I was able to get into this simply because I got into Logos and Community Pricing just before all those sets cleared CP (I had missed two--but cleaned up when they released the bundle). So I've got this and I even added a custom section in the passage guide to look only at this set for a passage search. Unfortunately, I've hardly looked through them because by the time I've already worked through a passage on my own and then looked at commentaries that I like, there isn't much time left over--at least, if I want to finish my writing. I wonder if that may constitute too many commentaries...but I trust that some day they'll come in handy.
Regarding CCCB, there's got to be a good way to get a deal on this. The are all public domain works (no licensing to pay), and Logos already paid for their production through CP. That should mean that they can give very deep discounts if they're so inclined. I haven't seen it happen that way yet, but it might be worth working a sales person if you're able. Every dollar they get from you on that bundle is pure profit--hopefully they'd be willing to move significantly. FYI, it was introduced for $2590 when it was new.
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William Gabriel said:
Regarding CCCB, there's got to be a good way to get a deal on this. The are all public domain works (no licensing to pay), and Logos already paid for their production through CP. That should mean that they can give very deep discounts if they're so inclined. I haven't seen it happen that way yet, but it might be worth working a sales person if you're able. Every dollar they get from you on that bundle is pure profit--hopefully they'd be willing to move significantly. FYI, it was introduced for $2590 when it was new.
I really want the set, but maybe I'll wait until I'm back in school and can get the academic discount. In the meantime, I might pick up the ones on the Pentateuch since that's what I'll be studying over the next few months.
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