Finding Old Testament quotes in New Testament per Morris Proctor
I thought Morris Proctor's latest post on the Logos blog was great. This got me thinking that it would be great to be able to do a search to find any Old Testament prophet quoted in the New Testament but I can't think of a way of doing this short of having a search with multiple OR statements in it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Please don't do a whole load of work - it's not something I need to do, just something I'd like to be able to do!
I love the way Morris has taken something here and done it in a way that allows us to open up all sorts of new possibilities. I tried it with Moses as well, and that worked really well too (although fans of the Documentary Hypothesis would probably dispute some of the results you get!)
I found it fascinating to be able to see at a stroke how many times different OT prophets get quoted by different NT writers - this opens up some interesting fields of research once I've got some of the stuff I have to do out of the way.
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The problem here is that most translations of the Old Testament are from the Hebrew and the New Testament authors were using the Greek.
See "When God Spoke Greek: The Septuagint and the Making of the Christian Bible"
You might want to look in "Old Testament Quote in the New Testament" by David H. Phillips. I have found it very useful.
You can do a search for OT quotations - it will give you more than prophets but could be a good place to start
Thanks Graham - I had actually just started looking at that to see if there is a way I can do it saving search results to passage lists and then doing some merges. It's a feature that I am beginning to see all sorts of uses for, having initially not thought I would have much use for it at all!
By the way, I read your son's blog post yesterday: painful, powerful and full of integrity.
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Does this work for you:
By the way, I love it when questions like this comes to the forums. It helps us think about different ways of using Logos that we may not have thought about before. Like the one above. I thought about your question and tried this (using the context menu from a quotation as starting point to see what I could search). I learned something out of it.
That is very nice[:)]
Nice find, Francis. Comparing this and the LiteraryType search, it looks like the best way to search for OT Quotes in the NT is actually this:
[quote]{Section <LiteraryTyping Quotation, Old Testament>} OR {Section <Culture Prophetic fulfillment>}
Neither list is complete, but together they probably get about everything (for example, the OT Quotes Literary Type is strangely missing the OT quotes from Mt 1-2... but these are in the Prophetic Fulfillment Section!)
Adapting this to the question on another post about when does Jesus quote the OT, here would be the search:
[quote]{Speaker <Person Jesus>} WITHIN ({Section <LiteraryTyping Quotation, Old Testament>}, {Section <Culture Prophetic fulfillment>})
For some reason they're tagged with "Quotation", rather than "Quotation, Old Testament".
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Neither list is complete, but together they probably get about everything (for example, the OT Quotes Literary Type is strangely missing the OT quotes from Mt 1-2... but these are in the Prophetic Fulfillment Section!)
Adapting this to the question on another post about when does Jesus quote the OT, here would be the search:
[quote]{Speaker <Person Jesus>} WITHIN ({Section <LiteraryTyping Quotation, Old Testament>}, {Section <Culture Prophetic fulfillment>})
Thank you all, especially Fr Devin and Francis - I've learnt something from this, and it's setting me off in all sorts of interesting directions! I think this thread really demonstrates the value of these forums.
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Neither list is complete, but together they probably get about everything (for example, the OT Quotes Literary Type is strangely missing the OT quotes from Mt 1-2... but these are in the Prophetic Fulfillment Section!)
Adapting this to the question on another post about when does Jesus quote the OT, here would be the search:
[quote]{Speaker <Person Jesus>} WITHIN ({Section <LiteraryTyping Quotation, Old Testament>}, {Section <Culture Prophetic fulfillment>})
Thank you Francis - you've educated me further there. This is a great search to be aware of, but it gives fulfilment as opposed to actual OT prophetic citations in the NT. For example, it doesn't have any of the quotes from OT prophets in Hebrews (or the early Matthew quotes mentioned above). In fact, it doesn't have anything after 1 Cor 15:4. Some of these new search facilities are great (or will be once some of the tagging glitches are sorted out). Even in its present form I found it fascinating earlier on today to go through seeing how many times different OT prophets were cited by different NT writers. Although it's a bit fiddly having to do a different search for each prophet, its still a lot less work than it was the old way!
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I'm pretty new to Logos but I know that it is very powerful. How can I search for all quotations in the NT for Isaiah?
You can use the New Testament User of the Old Testament interactive, on the Tools menu.
Or you can search for:
{Label Intertext WHERE Corpus ~ "New Testament" AND Relationship ~ "Quotation" AND Source ~ <Isaiah>}
You probably want citations as well as quotations (in this context, citations are explicit quotations). The syntax for that is:
{Label Intertext WHERE Corpus ~ "New Testament" AND Relationship ~ "Quotation" AND Source ~ <Isaiah>} OR {Label Intertext WHERE Corpus ~ "New Testament" AND Relationship ~ "Citation" AND Source ~ <Isaiah>}
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This thread is really helpful. Here's another question: Is there a search that can be done that shows the old testament passages that the new testament quotes?