Windows Phone

Wake up, Windows Phone is here to stay. There is absolutely no logic in thinking otherwise. Professionals are going to switch to the windows phone simply because it links effortlessly with their primary business OS and software provider. Please stop dragging your feet LOGOS you are falling behind. Logos 5 is already available on the Windows 8 platform how much more work can there be to making it Windows Phone compatible?

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Fred Chapman

I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, but Bob P. has said it is unlikely they will invest much (if anything) in a platform with less than 10% market share. From a business perspective that makes perfect sense. I did a quick google search and found this data recently reported

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2014/1/comScore_Reports_November_2013_US_Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share

He Is Lord!

It only makes perfect business sense if it be an upstart company with no history. If LOGOS is going to use the logic that this is strictly a economic issue for them then for those of us who have supported Logos from the beginning will also have to consider strongly the economics for us to continue purchasing their product which is pricey enough already. For me there will be no more expenditures for Logos products until this issue is resolved. To suggest that just because the windows phone platform does not have a huge portion of the market is not material now, knowing the pattern of Microsoft in the past of seeing products thru to success. [:)]

JT (alabama24)

The problem, Richard, is that the history of windows phone has been one of complete and abject failure. There is no signs to point to a change in thier positioning either. If Logos chooses to invest in that direction, good for you. My advice? Don't hold your breath. Why not get an Android or iPhone instead?

Don Awalt

While Windows Phone is about 11% share of the market in the enterprise, it's about 3% of the consumer and total market, and shrinking.

But what may be a bigger sign, is who is spending money - 83% of online mobile purchases this Christmas season came from iOS devices. That's huge.

Business enterprise don't buy Logos, consumers do. And Logos wants customers who will spend money.

And the story of Microsoft being successful till the end no matter what is now myth. Microsoft Office market share in the consumer space has dropped from 95% to 20% since 2004. They are just not a player in the consumer space any more. Logos is NOT an enterprise product.

There will be people that are upset by the strategy; some customers will leave, but many more will arrive due to Android and iOS support that is better than everyone else. Some feature that 25% of the Android/iOS market buys is a better investment than an investment in Windows Phone. I can't think anyone rationally would make a different decision.

He Is Lord!

Because Android and IPhone are not compatible with the most used software which is windows based. I had an Android and it is not nearly the phone that the Nokia 928 is. If you want a toy get an IPhone or IPad.

Bob Pritchett

Windows Phone is here to stay.

That's what the BlackBerry users said. I'm glad we didn't invest in developing for that platform -- we almost did (and it had more users than Windows Phone at that time). :-)

I would love for Windows Phone to be a strong contender. I was on Windows Phone when it was Windows CE; I used my Windows-based phone for a year after the iPhone was released, before giving up. Since then Microsoft has completely redone the platform (breaking all previous Windows-phone apps) at least twice.

My Windows-loving credentials are impeccable. I attended the Windows 1.0 developer's conference. (Yes, 1.0.) I was a software development intern on the Windows 3.0 development team. I had the Windows for Pen Computing SDK 20 years before the iPad was introduced. I bought the first Surface. (I used it this morning. Then left it at home, taking my iPad. Because Ballmer was wrong to say Surface could make it without a cellular data connection.)

We aren't dragging our feet at Logos. We're facing the reality that Microsoft dropped the ball / dragged its feet / couldn't put together a coherent strategy. Apple won this one, and Android is getting the scraps. (People who won't pay Apple's price / hate Apple / want to be different / etc.)

There's nothing left for Windows Phone.

But Microsoft has pulled out a win from behind before. If they do it again, we'll be there to support it.

Windows Phone may be here to stay, but it's not a sure bet. To say 'there is no logic in thinking otherwise' is inaccurate. The logic is Windows CE, Pocket PC 2000, Windows Mobile, Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 7.5, and Windows Phone 8. And Zune. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile for a history of falling market share and confusing / changing / incompatible strategies.

-- Bob

Mike Pettit

I moved to windows phone from iPhone a year ago and I am glad that I did, it is great and much better than apple.

Saying that I may well move to android in a year as windows phone is not getting the app traction that I need, but if I do move I will miss windows phone as it is such a great platform.

I selfishly wish that Logos would develop for windows phone but if Logos was my company I would not do so, it is hard enough developing for two mobile platforms, let alone three.

He Is Lord!

Where is Blackberry now? Bankrupt I believe. If all you say is true why did you even bother with an app for Surface? It appears to me your mind is made up about Windows Phone based on looking at just the failures rather than weighing them against the success of Microsoft. That's a really balanced business approach. I can live without Logos on my phone but rest assured it will not continue receiving the recommendations I have given in the past.

Don Awalt

Interesting there was an article on Windows 9 that came out yesterday, by Paul Thurrott, one of the big Windows gurus. Interesting in the article, he paints it as a pretty important upgrade because of the current state of Windows 8 - which reinforces Bob's assessment that it's not worth investment now, if they can turn it around to the point the market accepts it and it builds market share, great. You can read the article at this link, or here is the Windows 8 part:

"But Threshold (next release of Windows) is more important than any specific updates. Windows 8 is tanking harder than Microsoft is comfortable discussing in public, and the latest release, Windows 8.1, which is a substantial and free upgrade with major improvements over the original release, is in use on less than 25 million PCs at the moment. That's a disaster, and Threshold needs to strike a better balance between meeting the needs of over a billion traditional PC users while enticing users to adopt this new Windows on new types of personal computing devices. In short, it needs to be everything that Windows 8 is not."

He Is Lord!

You anti Microsoft/Windows people say what you will I am quite happy and satisfied with my Windows Phone and operating system and will keep it because it works for me. If you check other threads on this form you will find I am not alone. I will keep my windows phone and do without Logos on it as I have found other alternatives that provide comparable service for the Windows Phone platform as Logos gets left in the dust. Laridian PocketBible meets the need. Others who feel slighted by Logos for their Windows Phone need to check it out. For me that is what I will be using on my phone from here on out as well as the YouVerison app from LifeChurch. God bless!

Genghis

Windows Phone is here to stay.

We aren't dragging our feet at Logos. We're facing the reality that Microsoft dropped the ball / dragged its feet / couldn't put together a coherent strategy. Apple won this one, and Android is getting the scraps. (People who won't pay Apple's price / hate Apple / want to be different / etc.)

There's nothing left for Windows Phone.

But Microsoft has pulled out a win from behind before. If they do it again, we'll be there to support it.

Windows Phone may be here to stay, but it's not a sure bet. To say 'there is no logic in thinking otherwise' is inaccurate. The logic is Windows CE, Pocket PC 2000, Windows Mobile, Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 7.5, and Windows Phone 8. And Zune. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile for a history of falling market share and confusing / changing / incompatible strategies.

-- Bob

I hear you. If it's uneconomic for Logos to do it, perhaps Logos might see its way clear to opening up an API to allow third party developers to do one.

Genghis

In the meantime, we still need something to accompany us for looking up stuff or to take notes during sermons.

Two possibilities I've found so far in the Windows Phone app store are:

Bible by Lucas: Simple and elegant design. Still a work in progress though.

Pocket Bible by Laridian: More comprehensive with resources to purchase. But then feels like doubling up on my Logos investment. But then it's no good to me if it isn't with me.

I suppose the other way is to buy an 8" Windows tablet for the job but then that would be a little ostentatious. ;-)

Ps3

Thanks for this mini review on these apps. I plan to give them a try. I'm always being asked for recommendations. I also purchased a Surface Pro 2 tablet and it is awesome. Since it's a 'crossover' computer it works well in both Windows 8 modes. Windows 7 mode & Windows Phone 8/Tablet mode. It's fantastic! You might want to give one a look.

Terry Roberts

Aloha and good morning all

Yes it is still morning here in paradise.

I am going to have to add my voice and vote for a Windows Phone version of Logos.

I currently use an iPhone 4. But would dearly like to be off it.

I moved to iOS when my old WinMo 6.1 (HTC Touch Pro 2) phone died. The only supported platform then for my mobile Bible app (Laridian Pocket Bible) was iOS.. So I went to Apple (albeit kicking and screaming).

So Logos - please give us a Windows Phone version/thank you.

Diego Lara

I am with you Richard I have a Windows Phone 8 phone soon to be upgraded to Windows Phone 8.1 and this is the future. I remember about 5 years ago telling people that android was going to become the number one phone OS on the market and people kept buying iPhones. At that time software companies were hesitant to make Android versions of their applications and look Android is now 70-some percent of the market world wide. Now with all the updates and features Microsoft is bringing into the Windows Phone OS I see windows quickly reaching more than 10 percent of the market world wide and slowly passing iOS to second place within the next few years. People seem to go with what is popular without ever considering other options. I see what people where doing with the iPhone doing now with the Samsung Galaxy S Series phones. They go to the phone store and don't even bother looking at other Android Phones such as the HTC or the LG even though there is no fundamental difference between any of them. I hope Logo's jumps on this ASAP and supports the Windows Phone platform because it is emerging quickly.

Diego

Fred Chapman

Since market share is a significant factor in Logos decision regarding a windows phone app. I would be interested in hearing what percentage of market share you think an OS should have before Logos creates an app for it?

Genghis

In the meantime, we still need something to accompany us for looking up stuff or to take notes during sermons.

Problem solved: convinced my church leaders to set up WiFi access for the church auditorium. Now I have access to Biblia.com. Yeah.

Kenneth R. Hubbard

I love the look of the Windows Phone and the surface tablet; they both have great things going for them and as much as I love them, I'd not buy either of them thanks to 2 simple little words; "Sony Betamax."

David Brown

“Microsoft revealed fiscal second-quarter revenues that beat Wall Street expectations, but it its bottom line was hit by higher expenses including the tech titan’s restructuring plan and integration of Nokia, and an IRS audit-adjustment tax expense during the quarter.” “Big jumps in sales of its Surface tablets, cloud computing software and Lumia smartphones drove Microsoft's quarterly revenue above expectations”.

Big jumps in Surface tablets and Lumia smartphones? Does not sound like Sony Betamax to me... at least not yet.

There must be a number of people who have not received the news that Lumia and Surface are dead.

I'll continue to buy them as long as they make them. With the rapid change in technology I'm not afraid to take some risk. Something does not work out? Just buy another a little bit sooner than you might have otherwise.