Vyrso vs Logos (Preach Without Notes)

I get the Baker ebook deals email every day, and today I'm interested in a few of the books. For instance, one of them is We Need to Talk, and it's a good deal at $1.99. The other book I was interested in was Preach Without Notes, which Baker says is on sale for $2.99. Indeed, I can get it for that price from other ebook publishers.

Look, I celebrate the value-add nature of the Logos universe, but it's painful to have to go elsewhere to buy my books when it's 85% cheaper elsewhere. I'd like to keep my book collection in one place. Anyway, we've had that discussion ad nauseum on this forum, so I'm not really looking to hash that out again.

What I'm interested in knowing is: what is the value add in Logos for a book like Preach Without Notes? What was the motivation to sell it in Logos vs Vyrso? This is not only a Monograph, but I would not expect it to need to integrate with other works. Wouldn't the automated Vyrso tagging have been sufficient for a book like this? (And honestly, how much work actually went into preparing this particular resource?)

It gets confusing when commentary-like books (Shepherd's Notes) are in Vyrso and read-it-through novels are in Logos.

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Graham Criddle

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What I'm interested in knowing is: what is the value add in Logos for a book like Preach Without Notes? What was the motivation to sell it in Logos vs Vyrso? This is not only a Monograph, but I would not expect it to need to integrate with other works. Wouldn't the automated Vyrso tagging have been sufficient for a book like this? (And honestly, how much work actually went into preparing this particular resource?)

I don't know but I wonder when the book was made available in the Logos enviroment? Was it "pre-Vyrso"?

And from a quick scan of the resource, many of the Bible references would have been handled correctly by Vyrso tagging but some wouldn't. For me, personally, having more accurate tagging in this sort of book is of real value

Levi Durfey

What I'm interested in knowing is: what is the value add in Logos for a book like Preach Without Notes? What was the motivation to sell it in Logos vs Vyrso? This is not only a Monograph, but I would not expect it to need to integrate with other works. Wouldn't the automated Vyrso tagging have been sufficient for a book like this? (And honestly, how much work actually went into preparing this particular resource?)

I just finished reading "How to Preach without Notes." Honestly, I think the Vyrso automated tagging would have handled it just fine. There aren't an undue amount of references, and most of them are preceded by the book abbreviation, so the automation would have tagged them correctly.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/807084#Comment_807084

Agreed that in most cases the Vyrso tagging would suffice but, on a quick glance, there are cases where it would not as below

Here the reference to 1 John 3:1 would be linked to Romans 8:1

Different people would have different views as to how important this is

JT (alabama24)

It gets confusing when commentary-like books (Shepherd's Notes) are in Vyrso and read-it-through novels are in Logos.

In some cases the resource is in Vyrso because the publisher doesn't want to license Logos editions of these resources.

What I'm interested in knowing is: what is the value add in Logos for a book like Preach Without Notes? What was the motivation to sell it in Logos vs Vyrso? This is not only a Monograph, but I would not expect it to need to integrate with other works. Wouldn't the automated Vyrso tagging have been sufficient for a book like this? (And honestly, how much work actually went into preparing this particular resource?)

I have mixed thoughts, but I certainly always appreciate the Vyrso price and deals. Most of my purchases over the past several years have been in Vyrso because I am picking up deals for my personal use and am not currently in vocational ministry.

Playing devils advocate: many users don't like the quality of Vyrso resources. There are ongoing threads about wrong links, lack of page numbers and just poor formatting. In my opinion the quality is every bit as good as kindle most of the time, and the resource integrates with my library (as you noted).

What I REALLY like is picking up Vyrso editions and having them migrate to Logos! [:)]

William Gabriel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/807138#Comment_807138

I have mixed thoughts, but I certainly always appreciate the Vyrso price and deals. Most of my purchases over the past several years have been in Vyrso because I am picking up deals for my personal use and am not currently in vocational ministry. Playing devils advocate: many users don't like the quality of Vyrso resources. There are ongoing threads about wrong links, lack of page numbers and just poor formatting. In my opinion the quality is every bit as good as kindle most of the time, and the resource integrates with my library (as you noted). What I REALLY like is picking up Vyrso editions and having them migrate to Logos!

I agree with you. What I see is a resource that has some references in it, which Vyrso gives us, but not really any tagging beyond that. And for a $17 price difference, I'd take some wrong tagging*. In many cases, getting most of them right is better than having nothing in Kindle (ymmv). You know, I've got plenty of Logos resources that have this exact problem (wrong reference because the wrong book or chapter was assumed), so the value add isn't a perfect proposition anyway. Having a monograph like this seems to fit Vyrso better. I know we can't un-ring the bell with this resource, but I hope there's more discernment applied in the future.

*However, in one of those threads, I suggested a tweak in their algo to achieve a higher hit rate. Looking at Graham's example, I believe my tweak would have scored 100% in this case even though current Vyrso tagging would get it wrong. Faithlife has deferred on forum user help in the past, but I think there are some instances where we'd all benefit if they offered some type of community development.

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/807151#Comment_807151

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