The Christmas sale page is up. It looks as if the 12 Days of Christmas will have some Zondervan products. https://www.logos.com/christmas
...looks fairly useless and overpriced so far. To those who thought I just wrote "bah, humbug" that was unintended. [:)]
That's great, thanks.
Does anyone happen to know if the CCCBv3 is a superset of the CCCBv2? It seems like it is, but it's hard to tell definitively.
...looks fairly useless and overpriced so far. To those who thought I just wrote "bah, humbug" that was unintended.
My thoughts as well. I think the days of good quality sales are over with at Faithlife. It is almost as if they are having sales because they feel like they have to put something out there.
That's great, thanks. Does anyone happen to know if the CCCBv3 is a superset of the CCCBv2? It seems like it is, but it's hard to tell definitively.
Looks like it is: got v3 at 75% off and v2 grayed out.
...is it me or does Logos tend to feature more and more Anglican products of late. Maybe the Baptists just aren't writing enough good material these days - gasp.
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Really hoping I can save on the WBC!
Number of resources in Anglican Portfolio: 2,503
Number of resources in Baptist Portfolio: 3,642
Perhaps you're not seeing many Baptist products because so many of FL's Baptist resources are already included within their Baptist libraries!
I agree with you JoshInRI
Such exorbitant prices...just about everything is way over-priced.
I mean "The MacArthur New Testament Commentary" - only 20% off. You mean that is the best FAITHLIFE can do. That should have been at least 50% off. And another thing, no dynamic pricing on this set??????? This is a real disappointment!
I mean "The MacArthur New Testament Commentary" - only 20% off. You mean that is the best FAITHLIFE can do. That should have been at least 50% off.
Whereas I would say if they could afford 50% off, that would mean that the base price was either phony for the purposes of the sale OR indicative that Logos had an unreasonable profit margin built into their productions. I expect large discounts only on temporary sales stock (does not apply to Logos) or discontinued items (rarely applies to Logos).
Seems like FL is starting to get into a straitjacket with customers. Honestly, the tagging excuse is not enough to charge so much. e-sword is not sophisticated but you click on a verse and a commentary still opens to the right page. Same with other resources. But anyway, tools are tools and Snap-on tools are better than Mac Tools.
DAL
but you click on a verse and a commentary still opens to the right page.
But can you click on "he" and get the correct person? Can you click on a figurative phrase and see the rhetorical figure? Can you click in a sermon I find the basic information on who-what passage - when ...?
but you click on a verse and a commentary still opens to the right page. But can you click on "he" and get the correct person? Can you click on a figurative phrase and see the rhetorical figure? Can you click in a sermon I find the basic information on who-what passage - when ...?
I think that was the lack of sophistication about e-sword that DAL mentioned. There's no question that Logos is far more sophisticated, with regard to its datasets.
Still, there's a hefty price tag on these (features and) bundles, and even from sale to sale, it still costs a lot to eventually acquire what we want, without breaking the bank in the meantime. [:P]
I will state this MJ. Smith
I bought the HARDBACK COPIES of "The MacArthur New Testament Commentary (33 Volumes) for $300.00 - Brand-spanking new. And you are trying to tell me that FAITHLIFE cannot do better than this. I'm not buying into that foolishness!!!!!!!
And also, I am not the only person who has stated this here in the forums!
End of discussion!!!!!
DAL you really nailed it down on your last post!!!!
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What would Christmas be without the retail apartment of logos using old ideas to generate new income. I thought they had exhausted itself in November with Black Friday and Black Monday sales. But I guess they were just warming up. What were they hoping but those two sales would create such a fine frenzy but we would not be paying attention to the price gouging
From what I remember several people submitted reports that the speaker labels were not accurate on many occasions
There are errors and there are ambiguious cases where I disagree with the FaithLife coding. The point is that the reference coding is not particularly what we pay for as it is easily automated. It is the Bible Place/Things/Events/People tagging, the morphology and syntactic tagging etc.
I try to ignore all the posts speculating/anticipating/complaining about etc. prices as I believe the following things:
However, I do object to misleading information, misleading by ommission, in posts about prices - because misinformation drives me nuts. I do wish that there was a separate forum on pricing issues so I could easily bypass the posts without fear of missing something relevant.
I will state this MJ. Smith I bought the HARDBACK COPIES of "The MacArthur New Testament Commentary (33 Volumes) for $300.00 - Brand-spanking new. And you are trying to tell me that FAITHLIFE cannot do better than this. I'm not buying into that foolishness!!!!!!! And also, I am not the only person who has stated this here in the forums! End of discussion!!!!!
Even at Christianbook.com the entire set (hardcover) is selling for $449.99 right now. Well, presumably FL assumes that there will be customers seeing the worth in buying the Logos edition with a premium pricing, albeit more expensive than the printed hardcovers despite the Christmas "sales."
I agree with a lot here but two additional thoughts. 1) The mntc is currently selling for $530 on his GTY website.
https://www.gty.org/products/commentaries/4333plus/The-MacArthur-New-Testament-Complete-33Volume-Commentary-Set-Plus-Index-Hardcover
I bought it originally for $300 as well but I'm guessing that was intro pricing. 2) We have to remember logos' relationship with Moody is tentative at the moment. I don't know why they split but they are back together at moment so it is possible Moody may have a hand in the pie.
Mattillo
1. I would tell John MacArthur himself that his $530.00 price is absolutely quite ridiculous for only 33 Volumes.
2. I would agree with you that MOODY may have a say in the pricing, because they are the publishers of the MNTC.
This is funny. Really.
Stick to your guns on this one Kenute. You and DAL are very correct on Logos pricing it is out of control.
Mattillo 1. I would tell John MacArthur himself that his $530.00 price is absolutely quite ridiculous for only 33 Volumes. 2. I would agree with you that MOODY may have a say in the pricing, because they are the publishers of the MNTC.
And as you have said elsewhere Kenute, we have an even bigger say as customers in that we are able to refuse to buy at these exorbitant prices.
In case you guys forgot...
The reason some commentaries are really expensive is because Logos is making a lot of money of out it too. I mean, I won't even be surprise if the original commentary set price would be $50 and Logos makes $550. Logos is a business & this is a normal practice in business.
It would be a fool not to make money out of it when Logos knew there's a high demand here a commentary set like this.
I assume if a person buys something that is not close to a base-package-price-resource.. you either needed that resource badly or you're just rich. Just my two cents.
Agree with you Josh, Black Friday was the same customer experience.
but you click on a verse and a commentary still opens to the right page. But can you click on "he" and get the correct person? Can you click on a figurative phrase and see the rhetorical figure? Can you click in a sermon I find the basic information on who-what passage - when ...? Wow 😳 so when the Bible says, "...God saw everything that He had made..." (Gen. 1:31), you mean to tell me you need a speaker label to know the pronoun "He" refers to God? Wow 😳 From what I remember several people submitted reports that the speaker labels were not accurate on many occasions. Also when you click on a reference sometimes it takes you to an entirely different resource (it even happens on their website when you're trying to purchase something). Again, some extra functions are cool, but do not justify hefty price tags. I have paid for Logos because I like quality but sometimes the quality is not there (e.g. Tagging on John G. Butler's alliterated "commentaries" that are pretty much overpriced ebooks with links to Scripture and that's it - one among many basic tagging overpriced books). Is Logos the best? Yes, but maybe being the best is getting over their heads a little and that's not good, especially when they're where they're at thanks to customers who buy from them so they can stay in business. Anyway, as Petah said, my use of sophisticated "implied" the extra functions you mentioned...ah, but you already know that since implication is something you studied in Logic class 😜😁👍 Goodnight! TGIF tomorrow! DAL
Spot on DAL, we can actually think for ourselves. That might be a shock to some but we can think for ourselves even without the guidance of the "Faithlife Thought Police" who lurk on these forums and try to tell us otherwise.
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"Faithlife Thought Police" - this is just to funny. Am here laughing, but it is so true. That is why I commented that DAL really nailed it down in his post.
And yes,Yasmin Stephen, I would tell John MacArthur himself that his $530.00 price is absolutely quite ridiculous.
I have already called Beth Moore's Living Proof Ministries about some issues. They sorted out the issues I had, and it was wonderful.
Those people are no different from us. We are all human beings, created in the image of God (Imago Dei, Latin).
We are all human beings, created in the image of God (Imago Dei, Latin).
How He treasures us, more than we treasure Him or each other.
How we take our eyes off of Him, and sink.
And yes,Yasmin Stephen, I would tell John MacArthur himself that his $530.00 price is absolutely quite ridiculous. I have already called Beth Moore's Living Proof Ministries about some issues. They sorted out the issues I had, and it was wonderful. Those people are no different from us. We are all human beings, created in the image of God (Imago Dei, Latin).
My comment had nothing to do with the slant you've given it here. I don't put people on pedestals and I'm a firm believer in the innate dignity that the Imago Dei gives to all human beings. Thank you.
Very grateful for this sale. Finally acquired the classic commentary 2.0 languishing on my wish list and got 3.0 in the sale really inexpensive.
How He treasures us, more than we treasure Him or each other. How we take our eyes off of Him, and sink.
Thank you, PetahChristian, for saying this. It reminded me of a sermon of Tim Keller's on Esther that I read this week in my Logos Library.
"There is a better King. There is a King with ultimate glory who, believe it or not, came to earth and stripped himself of his glory. When he went to the cross, he wasn’t just stripped of his clothes. Literally, he was. He was stripped of his Father’s love. He was stripped of his Father’s approval, of his Father’s respect. Why? He was reversing places with us.
"Mordecai was saved only because Haman reversed places with him, but it was involuntary. Jesus does it voluntarily. There’s the ultimate King. There’s the King of Glory. Jesus Christ is the King you can go to because he at infinite cost to himself reversed places with us. 'God made him sin who knew no sin, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.'”
Timothy J. Keller, The Timothy Keller Sermon Archive (New York City: Redeemer Presbyterian Church, 2013).
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I paid twice the amount offered now in the sales for CCCBv2.0, and if you would ask me, it's a good deal now
Has anyone worked out when the sale ends?
This is just a guess, but since it's the Christmas sale I would assume when Christmas is over so is the sale. But my assumptions are frequently wrong.
That's great, thanks. Does anyone happen to know if the CCCBv3 is a superset of the CCCBv2? It seems like it is, but it's hard to tell definitively. Looks like it is: got v3 at 75% off and v2 grayed out.
Anyone understand the secrecy regarding when the sale ends? I've just received an email from a sales rep to say he's not allowed to reveal when the sale ends.
Which frequently makes me miss the sales because I am a meticulous planner and that secret sale does not align with my planning so I ignore it. Every store in America clearly has the dates of their sales except Faithlife which makes absolutely no sense to me. I would love to hear Bob's spin on the secret stuff so I can finally understand why it happens. It's long been the policy and I have long ignored the sales for this very reason.
Shot in the dark. Maybe they want to keep certain specifics from their competition, so no one else outdoes them?
Apparently it's so secret though, they removed the countdown clock for the upcoming Zondervan sale.
Whilst I understand them not wanting to tell us too much about the upcoming 12 Days of Christmas/Zondervan sale, I find it baffling that they won't say when the current Uncover the Wonder of the Word sale will finish. I too like to plan/spread my spending. I can't believe telling us when a sale ends helps their competition when a sale has started.
I've been pleased with a few of the items that are on sale and include dynamic pricing. I'm probably going to pass on MacArthur because it ends up as a 14% discount without dynamic pricing. It probably will all depend on how much I spend on Zondervan items. At this stage of the game (a very large Logos library investment), I'm only buying select items that I can use, are on sale and are dynamically priced. I bug my sales rep all the time about dynamic pricing and he usually can make it happen. Dale Heath
If you can get dynamic pricing on Zondervan sets like the WBC, let us know.
I've repeatedly been told it's not eligible.
These X-mas sales usually last until a few days after January or December 31st, so you can still plan.
FL's 12 Days of Christmas starts on Monday!
I'm guessing we'll have to check it each day to see what is new?
Did they bring the countdown back onto the website? I was wondering if they put it up in error and took it off OR if it is indeed coming back but being kept a secret
They didn't bring the countdown back, but did tweet about it starting Monday.
Is this a clue on Twitter that the current Christmas sale ends when 12 Days starts?
12 Days of Logos starts on Monday! Until then enjoy great deals on popular resources by MacAarthur, Stott, & more— ow.ly/ciQ4306LEzQ
The original Christmas sale page had a countdown to the 12-days sale, giving the impression that the upcoming sale would be in addition to the Christmas sale.
I imagine that Christmas will be run similarly to Black Friday, where FL added new items to the ongoing sale.
I interpret the "Until then..." as "While you're waiting for the new deals, ..."
Is this a clue on Twitter that the current Christmas sale ends when 12 Days starts? The original Christmas sale page had a countdown to the 12-days sale, giving the impression that the upcoming sale would be in addition to the Christmas sale. I imagine that Christmas will be run similarly to Black Friday, where FL added new items to the ongoing sale. 12 Days of Logos starts on Monday! Until then enjoy great deals on popular resources by MacAarthur, Stott, & more— ow.ly/ciQ4306LEzQ I interpret the "Until then..." as "While you're waiting for the new deals, ..."
The countdown is now back. Plus, they have added 30 more items at over 30% off that were not there previously.
30% does not cut it. The prices are still over and beyond exorbitant!!!!!
It makes me just sit and laugh, because it is quite ludicrous to think that one would spend money in the thousands just for a collection or bundle of books.
As long as these kind of prices remain, I will not be spending any of my money at FAITHLIFE. I have not bought anything as yet on this Christmas sale.
I spend very little at FAITHLIFE these days because of the exorbitant prices.
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