Discourse Features Visual Filter

Andrew,

Is indexing going on?

Andrew,

Is indexing going on?

No, I allowed indexing to finish and even restarted by Logos Bible Software.

Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

I don't see those datasets.  With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

Logos Now and Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) include the Discourse Feature datasets (so Bundle went from 6 vols to 8).

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They are included with the Logos Extended Feature Set or with a Logos Now subscription. Alternatively they can be purchased separately or as part of a discourse bundle.

With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

Logos Now and Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) include the Discourse Feature datasets (so Bundle went from 6 vols to 8).

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Why does Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) include Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation but not the actual Dataset?  That is strange, right?

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?  Is the dataset tied to Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition?  That seems to be the only title in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) that isn't in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) .

Why does Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) include Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation but not the actual Dataset?  That is strange, right?

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?

There are three datasets: Discourse GNT, Discourse GNT-SBL Edn. & Discourse Hebrew OT. These allow searching of your Greek & Hebrew bibles, and Reverse Interlinear bibles for Discourse features + presentation of Greek Discourse VF and Hebrew Discourse VF. Neither of the above products contain the datasets; the GNT resources highlight the features and there is no Hebrew OT!

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?

Neither of the above products contain the datasets; the GNT resources highlight the features...

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

...and there is no Hebrew OT!

I realize the Greek bundles don't include the Hebrew OT nor the OT discourse datasets.

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

And:

• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction

And:

• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction

The product page isn't too clear. At the bottom of the page I find:

which is a bit different than what is written earlier (the part you quoted). There's nothing about the Lexham Greek New Testament or the SBL edition. I think it's safe to assume those two are included (there are write-ups on the page).

The product page isn't too clear.

If the datasets are included I would expect the 3x documentation resources and my previous assessment could be wrong. Faithlife need to clarify the descriptions.

The unfortunate thing about the two specific datasets is that they don't appear to have product pages.

You can't hover their descriptions and determine what bundles they're included in, besides the ones we know about -- Logos Now and the Extended Feature Set.

Sorry for all the product confusion. Thanks for posting about it.

I mentioned the issues in a Logos.com thread. Thankful that the product page descriptions/details can be resolved soon.

In the meantime, you could return the bundle you bought which didn't contain the discourse dataset(s), or rent (Logos Now) or buy (Extended Feature Set, or) a different bundle which does contain the discourse datasets.

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

And:

• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
• Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction

I am open to correction and may be wrong in my understanding. But I believe the old set (6 vols. or 7 vols.) was a collection of  RESOURCES that could be opened in Logos in a separate panel. I believe in L7 and LNOW they have integrated the DATASETS into the Reverse Interlinear coding so that it becomes a visual filter that can be turned on/off within Reverse Interlinear tagged resources. I originally bought the 7 vol. RESOURCE set back in 2011, but the visual filter "Discourse Features (Greek)" and "Discourse Features (Hebrew)" did not appear in my visual filter drop-down until I subscribed to Logos Now in Nov 2016.

Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

I don't see those datasets.  With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

The newer collection https://www.logos.com/product/81254/lexham-discourse-bible is DEEPLY discounted for those who purchased the 6 vol.

I bought the bundle in 2011/2012 my cost for the new collection was 21.99. 

I bought the bundle in 2011, my cost for the new collection was 21.99. 

Which bundle?  I purchased Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) and my dynamic price for the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) is $104.99 USD.

my dynamic price for the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) is $104.99 USD.

Might be worth looking into Logos Now at that price, considering everything else that it provides.

I previously bought the Greek and Hebrew discourse bundles.  My price for the discourse bible was 21.99.

I can't find the Discourse Features Visual Filter even within the Lexham English Bible (the sample used in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation).  Any suggestions?

I am in the same boat as you I have some discourse bundles but the discourse features don't show up.  I'm still trying to parse the information in this thread.

But my question now is : does the discourse features visual filter show the same information as the high def NT (HDNT) or does it show different information?

I hope this does not hijack your thread.  Thanks for posting your question about what is to me a confusing topic.

I am in the same boat as you I have some discourse bundles but the discourse features don't show up.

Are you a Now member? If so the functionality will appear in the Visual Filter menu under the Resource heading for your English bibles (checked ESV, LEB and NASB).

But my question now is : does the discourse features visual filter show the same information as the high def NT (HDNT) or does it show different information?

As far as I can tell, the answer is yes.

Edit: One more thing, watch the brief video found within the resource information page for the Lexham Discourse Bible(8 vols). It sheds light on the usefulness of the Hebrew and Greek Discourse bibles for your studies. 

I just upgraded.  I had previously bought this as a 6-volume set so my cost was very affordable for the rest of the remaining 2 resources in the 8-volume set.

This dataset gives me more information than the HDNT.  The blue structure outline is the same but now I have more underlying information in the Bible text (I'm looking at Matt 18.15 ff) -- things like conditional frame, topical frame, and thematic addition.  That stuff is not in the HDNT. 

Thanks for the help.

I just upgraded.  I had previously bought this as a 6-volume set

You may have indirectly answered a question I had in another thread https://community.logos.com/forums/p/140396/916366.aspx#916366  

This dataset gives me more information than the HDNT.

My answer to your question was based on my observations using the 6 vol bundle. You have sold me on the upgrade it's nominal.

I just upgraded.  I had previously bought this as a 6-volume set so my cost was very affordable for the rest of the remaining 2 resources in the 8-volume set.

This dataset gives me more information than the HDNT.  The blue structure outline is the same but now I have more underlying information in the Bible text (I'm looking at Matt 18.15 ff) -- things like conditional frame, topical frame, and thematic addition.  That stuff is not in the HDNT. 

Thanks for the help.

The move from bundled RESOURCES to a DATASET created a lot of confusion. Discourse markers were bound to the LDGNT or the HDNT(ESV) in the old bundled resources, but the new DATASET allow the discourse markers to be turned on via visual filter in other translations (as long as there is Reverse Interlinear tagging).

So if you buy the extended feature set you can have this as well permanently? 

If you own the Bible Bundles you can update to the 8 vol set for a song and own the datasets permanently. If not the extended feature set is your best bet AFAIK.