Installation - Specifying Destination Folder ???

I'm trying to install Logos 4.0a from DVD onto a Windows XP SP3 laptop. I am performing the installation as an administrator, though I'll run as a non-admin user after installation. I picked a custom installation. It specifies the default folder for installation as a location under C:\Documents and Settings\{user}\Local Settings\Application Data. That's clearly not a standard location to install a program. So I changed the destination folder to a more typical C:\Program Files\Logos4. That resulted in an error message that Logos 4 can't be installed to a system folder.

What's going on here? Why can't the application be installed where all my other applications are installed? This seems a little ridiculous to me. I'm definitely *not* going to install it anyplace under "Documents and Settings".

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks,

Donnie Hale

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Mark Smith

I'm not sure why you experienced this limitation. I have my Logos 4 set up under \Logos4. I am using Windows 7, so that may be the difference.

Unless someone knows how to get around this for you, your choice is to not install it or let Logos do its thing. (Really it won't mess anything up to do so either. It's just unconventional.)

J. Morris

Unfortunately Logos has decided to force L4 to be installed at that default location in order to make it more difficult (nearly imposable) for multiple users to have separate copies of the same license. (or even for multiple users to be able to use the program)

The reasoning behind it is to help the company protect its product from being shared by multiple people and only be used by a single user. I understand some of the reasoning, but it also effectively cuts out legitimate sharing by family members.

-The forcing of L4 to be installed at the default location is a bad thing for L4 and has caused issues with a number of users. I don't totally fault Logos for it because I understand there was/is a need for some kind of protection (because of the real abuses in the past). However, I just don't think it is worth the problems and 'bad-blood' it causes and think they should look for other avenues to help secure their program.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

What's going on here? Why can't the application be installed where all my other applications are installed? This seems a little ridiculous to me. I'm definitely *not* going to install it anyplace under "Documents and Settings".

"C:\Program Files" is only writable by administrators, but Logos 4 is designed to be run under regular user accounts. Installing it in a folder only writable by admins breaks the auto-update feature.

You don't have to install it under "Documents and Settings", but you do have to install it in a folder that's writable by a regular user account.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/92733#Comment_92733

Unfortunately Logos has decided to force L4 to be installed at that default location

Jeremiah, in all respect, I don't know why you would say "unfortunately". For me it is just very logical place, taking into account the way how Logos 4 works and how the license is to be used. And by the way you can install it into the directory of your choice, so I do not see any problem here.

Donnie Hale

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/92767#Comment_92767

I'm responding to the comment: "C:\Program Files" is only writable by administrators, but Logos 4 is
designed to be run under regular user accounts. Installing it in a
folder only writable by admins breaks the auto-update feature.'

While C:\Program Files is restricted to administrators, installing applications there has no impact on whether an auto-update feature can work. I easily have 15 - 20 programs installed under that location, all with auto-update features (including basic stuff like Firefox, QuickTime, etc.). I run as a regular user account for all normal activity. (I do "Run As..." using an admin account for most software installations, and very rarely I log in as the admin account to make some system changes.)

I've got to say, this is a horrible decision by Logos. The design in no way prevents sharing by family members (they can use the same Windows account). Microsoft publishes very clear standards on how to design applications for single program installation along with per-user settings, license restrictions, etc. Windows Vista and Windows 7 went much further in attempting to standardize the purposes of the "Program Files" and "Users" folders.

Donnie

Donnie Hale

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/92776#Comment_92776

I can't "install it into the directory of [my] choice" if my choice is "C:\Program Files". Microsoft called it "Program Files" for a reason, and set standards of how applications are to be installed and use that area.

Donnie

Donnie Hale

Based on the feedback in this thread, I'm running as a regular user and attempting to install the software to \Logos4 - a folder that was created by and is owned by this regular user. The error I'm getting now is "You do not have sufficient permissions to install to this folder." Note that the installer did *not* say I have to be an administrator to do the installation. It just states that the user I'm running as doesn't have sufficient permissions to install to that folder, even though the user created and owns the folder.

This is getting a little ridiculous.

Donnie

SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93113#Comment_93113

This is getting a little ridiculous.

There are a number here who would agree Donnie, but that is the way Logos has decided to do it.

Perhaps "truth in advertising" would have included an up-front disclosure in "not so fine" print for those who are computer experts, but...

It does seem that a few of the computer wizards here on the Forums have found "some" kind of work around -- but I don't think they have "broken" the intent of the company's new philosophy. It has caused some difficulties with those trying to install on "protected" systems within some institutions.

(if you wish to search the forums-- you will discover that The president has addressed this issue)

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93113#Comment_93113

Based on the feedback in this thread, I'm running as a regular user and attempting to install the software to \Logos4 - a folder that was created by and is owned by this regular user. The error I'm getting now is "You do not have sufficient permissions to install to this folder." Note that the installer did *not* say I have to be an administrator to do the installation. It just states that the user I'm running as doesn't have sufficient permissions to install to that folder, even though the user created and owns the folder.

For use as a regular user in Windows XP see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/4906/41092.aspx ie. you have to start with an Admin account.

I always install and run from an Admin account whether running XP, Vista or Win 7. And always install into a custom location eg. E:\Logos4. The trick is telling the installer that my location is E:\ as it always creates the Logos4 folder. Being a non-system partition it has full access to Everyone.