Survey: Carta Jerusalem
Please take this short survey about Carta Jerusalem, even if you don't know what it is. Please don't research it before taking the survey. We'd like to capture your current knowledge and feelings. Thank you.
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Thank you, Phil
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Thanks for the survey.
Some of Carta's other books are not mentioned in the survey. Carta has many titles that I think I'd acquire, e.g. Menashe Har-El's Landscape, Nature and Man in the Bible. I think (hope?) bringing such titles to a worldwide digital market would be a win-win.
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The survey strikes me as a very savvy move on the part of Logos/Faithlife. It was a pleasure to fill it out (even though I didn't realize there are so many Carta titles)..
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I’d love for Logos to sell Bundles and Individual volumes. If they start out bundling everything it will probably get too expensive.
DAL
Ps. In a way, the survey doesn’t really make sense because how are people going to answer any of the questions if they don’t know what CARTA Jerusalem is?
Gauging by the requests made here in the forums, maybe only a few of us know what CARTA really is and actually own some their books. If that’s the case then that might create a huge problem when putting it in prepub because there won’t be many orders to help with the production costs. Unless, of course, FL and the Publisher partner to produce it and just sell it. Invest now, get profits later. Once people know what CARTA is, they’ll start buying for sure. Guaranteed! 👍😁👌
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Phil??
You need to edit some questions: Your first question:
"Do you know what Carta Jerusalem is? (Chose the best answer) I choose "NO."
your second question about the Sacred Bridge? is that part of Carta? I choose "NO" again.
What do you like most about Carta Books? (chose the best answer.) I choose "other". My response, "I don't even know what they are so how am I supposed to answer that."
How interested are you in having the following Carta books in Logos? How am I supposed to answer that? Uninterested? Somewhat interested? Very interested? I don't know these books. give me a link, direct me to the publisher, supply something to me so I can give you an intelligent response.
How likely would you be to purchase Carta books in Logos? Same as above. I DON'T KNOW.
HOW MUCH WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAY FOR ALL CARTA BOOKS IN LOGOS? RIGHT NOW??? ZIP, NOTHING. NADA, ZERO.
As a business owner I would certainly tweek those questions and give my customers way more info on what Carta is for those who don't know what it is. My main object is to make money, give my customers fresh quality products, be dependable with my deliveries and give them what they want on time.
So if you're looking for sales - change the survey. For now? I'm out unless you give me information.
I suppose you got your answer to MY current knowledge and feelings [:)] Hope it helps.
All this IMHO
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Please take this short survey about Carta Jerusalem, even if you don't know what it is. Please don't research it before taking the survey. We'd like to capture your current knowledge and feelings. Thank you.
Done. *is excited* [:D]
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FWIW, I bought Accordance purely for the Carta collection. But I’d still buy a Logos version in a heartbeat.
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Milkman said:
As a business owner I would certainly tweek those questions and give my customers way more info on what Carta is for those who don't know what it is.
That would be putting the Carta before the horse.
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Milkman said:
So if you're looking for sales - change the survey. For now? I'm out unless you give me information.
I suppose you got your answer to MY current knowledge and feelings
Hope it helps.I could not agree more with you on virtually all the points you were making. I have heard the enthusiasm of many of the forum but have yet to work out why. It is not that I am not interested in maps, My dad taught me to read british road maps (the old Bartholomews's ones) at the age of 8 as we cycled as a family and can I browse of a a new map for ages as a walker. This has spread to Bible maps but nothing I had read here has taught me WHY these maps would be so special on Logos.
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It’s not simply the quality of the maps and illustrations. It’s the combination of that and the text. You don’t look at a Carta atlas, you read it.
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Mark Barnes said:
FWIW, I bought Accordance purely for the Carta collection. But I’d still buy a Logos version in a heartbeat.
Ditto.
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Good one! - Here's grand dad and Prince.
JT (alabama24) said:Milkman said:As a business owner I would certainly tweek those questions and give my customers way more info on what Carta is for those who don't know what it is.
That would be putting the Carta before the horse.
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Hey Mark,
Give us an example or a website so we can see what the hoopla is all about.
Mark Barnes said:It’s not simply the quality of the maps and illustrations. It’s the combination of that and the text. You don’t look at a Carta atlas, you read it.
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I started to take the survey, but I don't know what Carta is........ if it means better maps, then yes I want that.
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Mark Barnes said:
It’s not simply the quality of the maps and illustrations. It’s the combination of that and the text. You don’t look at a Carta atlas, you read it.
Well said, mate! 👍😁👌
DAL
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Milkman said:
Hey Mark,
Give us an example or a website so we can see what the hoopla is all about.
While you're waiting, frankly you're asking for a lot, since Carta (a group of high quality books) are wide ranging .... and if Logos tagged, imagine! Below, a few samples ... the associated book is at the top. Note the depth, and breadth.
Map detailed to a specific era/location, with in-depth discussion:
Inclusion of correspondance, specific to the discussion:
Inscriptions and translations, all organized by time period:
Reconstructions specific to a source; not a general concep:
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark Barnes said:
It’s not simply the quality of the maps and illustrations. It’s the combination of that and the text. You don’t look at a Carta atlas, you read it.
Very well put, Mark.
Here's a sample from The Sacred Bridge:
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MM you likely have seen some of their works as they have be responsible for the best Bible Atlases for decades although their Macmillan Bible Atlas (as it was released for decades) has be criticized for boring maps but you cannot argue for the clarity and the amazing text going along with it. Frankly some modern maps with their dayglow colours are in someways to me very off putting. I don’t know if FL will pursue this or not but it missing from their catalog has been for years a glaring hole. The maps in their premier work sacred bridge along with most others I have scene are high quality and very pleasant to look at, and considered much more attractive that the more monochromatic Macmilla ones.
-Dan
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Yahoo! This is encouraging! Oh, to think of Carta books in Logos...what a dream come true! ...the missing piece to my Bible software.[:D]
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Mark Barnes said:
But I’d still buy a Logos version in a heartbeat.
I have some Carta products in paper format, and I agree.
But Logos should make sure that we get the latest editions.
As I understand, the Carta products are updated quite often/regularly, and Logos should make sure that by the time each map book is tagged, it is the newest edition.
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Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended.
The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.
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Denise said:Milkman said:e us an example or a website so we can see what the hoopla is all about.
While you're waiting, frankly you're asking for a lot, since Carta (a group of high quality books) are wide ranging .... and if Logos tagged, imagine! Below, a few samples ... the associated book is at the top. Note the depth, and breadth.
Map detailed to a specific era/location, with in-depth discussion:
Inclusion of correspondance, specific to the discussion:
Inscriptions and translations, all organized by time period:
Reconstructions specific to a source; not a general concep:
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Milkman said:
Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended.
The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.
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I think the point of the survey (and the reason Phil asked people not to research it before taking the survey) is because he was trying to evaluate the significance of the name to people. If it’s proving to be difficult to license on Logos’ preferred terms, how worthwhile is it to fight for it? If a small number of people are fanatical about it but most people just view it as one more atlas on the pile, it might not be worth prioritisin. If it’s genuinely going to draw people to the product (as it‘s drawn users to Accordance) then it might be worth pursuing with greater urgency, even on less-than-ideal terms.
That’s the only reason I could think of for him to request that we don’t research it first, anyway. I might be way off-base.
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FL has their prepub system but this I am guessing is even more tentative to see if they have enough interest to want to continue talks with the publishers. I have not known them to do this before but perhaps there may be some sticking point that unless there is a major desire for these among a large group of potential customers FL simply doesn't wish to pursue it. As I cannot believe it is remotely coincidence this is brought up while talks are on going with Carta. I know it would not be helpful or needed to reveal anything but one would guess if talks were going good we would see them in prepub by now and now getting a cryptic survey request. But as has been pointed out elsewhere these will be of little value if they are not input into logos as a higher resolution than often happens with Logos works. I believe Logos has the technology it is a matter if they have the will to scan the images and maps in higher resolution.
-dan
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Thanks James,
If you read my op I did say: "I suppose you got your answer to MY current knowledge and feelings [:)] Hope it helps."
I did/do understand Phil's query. I get what he wants to elicit, I'm just saying that the questions elicited FROM ME were more frustration than interest in the product.
I think there could have been a better questionnaire formulated. As most of us know when partaking of an online survey there most often than not is a question that we can not answer and the survey then automatically pushes the responder to the end of said survey. They got their answer. I think this survey could have should have done the same without belabouring the point. I don't know so don't ask me any more questions. You got your answer.
There could have been another question such as: "Since you don't know of this product, are you interested in finding out more?" Then supply a link or a site that explains what the product is. I never want to cut my customers or potential customers loose. I want them to buy and I want them to buy more. So give me a reason to purchase and not a reason to get frustrated and literally not check out Carta. They got their answer already "I don't know" now it's time to reel them in.
Also, there could be a follow up survey once the customer has checked out the links/websites that explain the product. Then once the consumer has done his/her homework he can now make an educated response to said product. By all accounts of what I've see in this post I'd be interested in Carta. So Phil I guess you got my second answer - I'm in. In regards to anything topical as in historical sites, cities, tels etc my dream job would have been a Biblical archeologist while playing on the PGA Tour, but alas a lonely milkman am I.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all in for more books/resources from FL. Believe me I have a ton of them (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/160656.aspx) and I'll keep supporting FL with my very hard earned money. I have no issues whatsoever with Bob's team. Keep pushing forward and keep offering more stuff. I'll be one of the first in line to grab stuff.
So all that to say, "tweek the survey" pls. [;)]
James McAdams said:Milkman said:Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended.
The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.
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I think the point of the survey (and the reason Phil asked people not to research it before taking the survey) is because he was trying to evaluate the significance of the name to people. If it’s proving to be difficult to license on Logos’ preferred terms, how worthwhile is it to fight for it? If a small number of people are fanatical about it but most people just view it as one more atlas on the pile, it might not be worth prioritisin. If it’s genuinely going to draw people to the product (as it‘s drawn users to Accordance) then it might be worth pursuing with greater urgency, even on less-than-ideal terms.
That’s the only reason I could think of for him to request that we don’t research it first, anyway. I might be way off-base.
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So would these maps allow one to travel with Paul on his missionary journeys? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see his ministry (for example) at Corinth?
Would these maps allow one to travel with Israel through the wilderness journey from Egypt to Canaan? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see what happened for example at Kadesh Barnea?
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You probably must have heard of the industry leading Carta TTD (Toposcopic Transporter Device), which unfortunately (at least at A-Company) demands a package purchase.
Absent the TTD (Logos may not be able to support), the user is provided maps with routes, as well as detailed discussion from the appropriate text.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark said:
So would these maps allow one to travel with Paul on his missionary journeys? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see his ministry (for example) at Corinth?
Would these maps allow one to travel with Israel through the wilderness journey from Egypt to Canaan? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see what happened for example at Kadesh Barnea?
That reminds me of a game my kids had "Africa Trails" by the Learning Company. During the game, students could explore roads to various destinations. Included were maps. At each stop, users could explore nearby locations, sights, food, scenery, music, history.
Would it be so hard to make something like that? Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul. That might be an add-on to Carta, but for now, let's just get Carta.0 -
Gao Lu said:
Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul.
As a boy, our Sunday School teacher made a huge hand made map of the wilderness journey, put it on a wall, and made it into a board game. When we memorized verses etc, we would get points and move along in the wilderness, learning as we went along, all the lessons that the children of Israel learned.
I never forgot that, and always thought how incredible it would be to put a map up on the screen today, and take a journey like that in various places of the Bible
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Mark said:Gao Lu said:
Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul.
As a boy, our Sunday School teacher made a huge hand made map of the wilderness journey, put it on a wall, and made it into a board game. When we memorized verses etc, we would get points and move along in the wilderness, learning as we went along, all the lessons that the children of Israel learned.
I never forgot that, and always thought how incredible it would be to put a map up on the screen today, and take a journey like that in various places of the Bible
My teacher did something similar, thank God for these teachers!! Only heaven will reveal their impact
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Phil,
While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.
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Mark Barnes said:
Phil,
While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.
Off-topic: I'd say text-wise Sacred Bridge remains unrivalled in breadth and detail. But I really like the Crossway too. I'd love to go digital in Logos. [Y]
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JT (alabama24) said:Milkman said:
As a business owner I would certainly tweek those questions and give my customers way more info on what Carta is for those who don't know what it is.
That would be putting the Carta before the horse.
LOL! [:)]
I took the survey without any specific knowledge of the resources that may be available in the spirit of the original request. I trust everything will work out. I'll always consider purchasing coordinated high quality maps, diagrams, photos and descriptions. Pricing is important to me.
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Charlene said:
Yahoo! This is encouraging! Oh, to think of Carta books in Logos...what a dream come true! ...the missing piece to my Bible software.
I've been away from the internet for two weeks now and this is my first post since. Charlene, you express my thoughts exactly. This is very encouraging!
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Mark Barnes said:
Phil,
While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.
I agree! I wonder why it isn't in Logos yet? Probably looking for a bundle to stick it in with [8-)]
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Where do things stand now?
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Bobby Terhune said:
Where do things stand now?
See my post here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/25757/984347.aspx#984347
DAL
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