Just Downloaded Calvin Commentaries. Very Nice

Jacob Hantla
Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,877
edited November 2024 in English Forum

My Logos4 just downloaded the new Calvin Commentaries (weird as my prepub doesn't show as going through yet, but I'll take it). Very nice format! Much better than the old Ages ones. 

 The readability is much better: Good modern-style formatting. The yellow boxes are gone!

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  • Donn Arms
    Donn Arms Member Posts: 167 ✭✭

    What? I ordered the Calvin 500 collection months ago and have been looking forward to this day. I have been opening and closing my program all day but no download yet. Come on guys. I won't be able to get anything else done until my download begins.

  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    Donn Arms said:

    What? I ordered the Calvin 500 collection months ago and have been looking forward to this day. I have been opening and closing my program all day but no download yet. Come on guys. I won't be able to get anything else done until my download begins.

    Donn,

    There are two Calvin releases scheduled for today. One is the massive Calvin 500 collection you are anticipating, the second option is just an upgrade only for those who already owned a licensed copy of Calvin's Commentaries for Logos.

    The Commentary upgrade only is what Jacob got earlier today, methinks! The "biggie" package you're anxiously awaiting will of course include the new overhauled/updated commentaries as well!

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  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    (weird as my prepub doesn't show as going through yet, but I'll take it)

    I think the commentaries get upgraded for free.  The prepub upgrade just adds the Haroutunian volume.

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    I think the commentaries get upgraded for free. 

    I don't think so. I still have the AGES volumes after receiving the updated ones. I don't think you'll get the updated ones if you didn't order the upgrade. Looks like we'll have to hide the AGES volumes.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Before you hide them, as I just did, be aware that the new volumes are not available on the iPhone, whilst the old volumes are. Annyoing.

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  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,877

    Before you hide them, as I just did, be aware that the new volumes are not available on the iPhone, whilst the old volumes are. Annyoing.

    Thanks, Mark. You just saved me a bunch of time. I would have hid them and then had to unhide everything once I realized what had happened.

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  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    How many volumes are in the set?

    There are supposedly 46 volumes....does that mean I should have 46 separate resources?

     

    I have 19.

     

    I also had not realized that this wasn't just an upgrade to the existing Ages ones....but whole new books...

     

    do I have what I'm supposed to have?

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    You do. The new books are bound like most of the print books, so (for example) all the Catholic Epistles are one resource. In AGES, each bible book was a different resource. So your 19 resources replace the 46 AGES resources. Slightly naughty of Logos to describe them as 46 volumes, but they did the same with Bunyan if you remember.

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  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    Mark,

    ahh...I just realized that....

    after hiding the 46 ONE BY ONE of the old ones....I wish there were a "click shift" option... :)

    Robert Pavich

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  • James Ogle
    James Ogle Member Posts: 77 ✭✭

    I only got 19, where is the rest?

     

    Anybody know????

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    Read Mark Barnes' thread just a couple above yours.

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  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    My Calvin's Commentaries must have arrived since I have the new book "Calvin: Commentaries" by Haroutunian which was part of it. 

    However, other than the one new book by Haroutunian, I can't tell any difference in the Commentaries from the old ones.  No difference at all.

    Can you?


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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Odd.

    I just got the volume by Haroutunian, which downloaded automatically, but the commentaries didn't download yet.

    Yes, I have the Ages set of Calvin's Commentaries.

    Just noticed that I have the same issue as the guy who posted one minute before me.

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  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    Richard,

    Perhaps that is the reason I can't tell any difference in the commentaries.  Perhaps I have just gotten the Haroutunian book so far?

    How will I tell the difference in the New Commentaries?


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  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    Maybe Calvin can tell I am a Wesleyian, and he refuses to download. 


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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Maybe Calvin can tell I am a Wesleyian, and he refuses to download. 

    Are saying you were predestined to not get them? [;)]

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Maybe Calvin can tell I am a Wesleyian, and he refuses to download. 

    And Calvin was right: there's nothing you can do… (sorry, couldn't resist)

     

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    I've posted on this issue in the 3.0 forum. The download link in the notification email only downloads the Haroutunian volume no the updated commentaries. Same with the link on the My Downloads page.

    Are those having trouble having it in 3.0 or 4.0?

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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    I've posted on this issue in the 3.0 forum. The download link in the notification email only downloads the Haroutunian volume no the updated commentaries. Same with the link on the My Downloads page.

    Are those having trouble having it in 3.0 or 4.0?

    I'm using with 4.0b (beta 12).

    Update Now still shows no updates available.

    This is probably a glitch in how our licenses were updated. Knowing Logos it will be fixed soon. And as providence would have it, the problem occurs on a weekend.

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    Update Now

    After some discussion about this in another thread, would you mind trying Update Resources?

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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Update Now

    After some discussion about this in another thread, would you mind trying Update Resources?

    Trying it now. I'll post new, or edit this one when it's done (it usually takes a while).

    RESULT: Update resources reported that there were items to download, but it did not actually download anything.

    In fact, ran it a second time and it reported no updates were found/available.

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    RESULT: Update resources reported that there were items to download, but it did not actually download anything.

    In fact, ran it a second time and it reported no updates were found/available.

    Wow. That's a good one. ???

    BTW: the discussion was whether Update Now would catch newly obtained resources. The description on the Wiki talks about Update Now looking for  incremental updates which I take to mean changes in what we have in our installation already. Some other people were having trouble getting anything new to download using Update Now. Update Resources checks the license file according to the Wiki, which would be needed for a newly acquired resource. Suggests that's the command for a situation with new resources.

    So I'd like to conclude that Update Resources is needed when new resources have been posted to the license file, but your test is definitely inconclusive. Once again Logos could clarify this, but that's off this topic. Sorry you haven't gotten your commentaries.

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  • Jeremy
    Jeremy Member Posts: 687 ✭✭

    The Ages Calvin's Commentaries had a problem in that a bunch of them did not show up in the passage guide because they did not have a verse selector pane. I am not going to buy the update unless it has this for every book of the bible that is typed into the passage guide. So does the new version do this?

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My understanding is that the reason some people have gotten their Commentaries and even the Calvin 500 set is that Logos has to process everyone's credit cards, and that takes some time when lots of people have ordered something. So it can't ship simultaneously to everyone. Probably those who ordered it first will get it first. I'm still waiting on mine. I don't know if they have to process all the credit cards manually (in which case we'll probably have to wait until Monday) or whether they've got a server cranking through them all over the weekend.

    I will also reiterate what I said on another thread which is that once your new resources are available on the server and your license has been unlocked there, you shouldn't need to run "update resources" except when something messed up. It is there just for repairing a mismatch between what resource files you have on your hard disk and what you should have (i.e., everything you've bought and the latest versions of same). I think it is only necessary when there is a glitch on the server or if you've deleted a file on your hard disk. I've never run that command, and yet I've always eventually gotten all the resources I've ordered.

    "Update now" is primarily for getting a new version of the software when that is available. I am not sure whether it does resources as well. Even if it does, it shouldn't be needed most of the time. Logos is designed to recognize automatically when new resources are available. When it doesn't for some reason, I am not sure whether "update now" will work. IN THOSE CASES, "update resources" is a good idea. But as a rule, it shouldn't be necessary. We are still dealing with software that occasionally has bugs in it, so it might be that sometimes it doesn't recognize new resources when it is supposed to, and "update resources" will force it to.

  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,877

    Mine downloaded spontaneously upon starting up the application.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Mine downloaded spontaneously upon starting up the application.


    That's usually what happens for me. But when it's still showing as "Live" on my pre-pubs page (which is the case for Calvin 500 for me today), instead of having been promoted to the section at the bottom ("Pre-Pub Orders Already Shipped"), then I believe that means my credit card hasn't been charged yet and I'll have to wait until the transaction is run through. Monday?

  • Daniel Bender
    Daniel Bender Member Posts: 383 ✭✭

    My Logos4 just downloaded the new Calvin Commentaries (weird as my prepub doesn't show as going through yet, but I'll take it).

    Ditto for me. All but the one edited by J. Haroutunian which downloaded this evening.

    Edit: The commentaries downloaded early this morning even though my account still had them as under development. The one mentioned above downloaded 15 hours later. Kind of strange.

  • Mary-Ellen
    Mary-Ellen Member Posts: 479 ✭✭✭


    I just got the volume by Haroutunian, which downloaded automatically, but the commentaries didn't download yet.

    Yes, I have the Ages set of Calvin's Commentaries.

    I have this same issue, with both Logos 3 and Logos 4.  Has anyone been at this point and then gotten the commentaries later?

     

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  • Jeff Pollard
    Jeff Pollard Member Posts: 28 ✭✭

    Everything downloaded for me last night EXCEPT the commentaries. I left my computer running when I went to bed to let L4 finish indexing and in the hopes of the commentaries downloading. However, this morning I still have the Ages commentaries--yellow and blue boxes intact--and not the new ones.

    Update Resources did not find the new commentaries.

    It would be interesting to know what's happening in the process.

  • ELA
    ELA Member Posts: 159 ✭✭

    Yeah, that's also what my Logos 3 did. After following some of the threads about the download of Calvin's Commentaries (upgrade) I pretty sure that I haven't got the commentaries so far. The unlock link in my mail was for the Haroutunian. There are no unlocks for the commentaries. I have synchronised the licenses, but after 4 hours Logos 4 hasn't downloaded anything (no even the haroutunian.) I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens.....

  • Keith Larson
    Keith Larson Member Posts: 1,133 ✭✭

    I have gotten everything but the commentaries as well.

  • ELA
    ELA Member Posts: 159 ✭✭

    Now Logos 4 has downloaded the Haroutunian - and nothing else. The download and unlock link for Logos 3 was also only for the Haroutunian volume. I have the Commentaries from Galaxie's history collection.

    Now I can't help wondering if the upgrade is only for resources bought through Logos (though customerservice said it would be OK). Does anybody know?

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Jeremy said:

    The Ages Calvin's Commentaries had a problem in that a bunch of them did not show up in the passage guide because they did not have a verse selector pane. I am not going to buy the update unless it has this for every book of the bible that is typed into the passage guide. So does the new version do this?

    The problem with the Ages Commentaries and the PG, is probably with the Harmonies Calvin wrote for the Law and the Gospels. Since Calvin didn't write a commentary on these individual books, there is no verse index that parallels other commentaries. This made them very difficult to use in L3 and no easier in L4.

    However, what I did in L3 was to put Calvin's Commentaries in a collection and make the collection a part of my passage guide. Haven't done this in L4 yet, since I've not spent much time in the Gospels since starting L4 (I did a 29 week series on Ephesians and loved every week!).

    I don't know how the updates will handle the limitations of a harmony, but I don't think Logos could convince Calvin to come back from the dead and rewrite his harmonies into commentaries on the individual volumes.

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  • Rev. Gregory S. Byrd
    Rev. Gregory S. Byrd Member Posts: 11 ✭✭

    Maybe, but I ordered the update months ago, my credit card was charged Friday, and no download, or update...usually not so excited about a prepub, but really wanted to dig into this one this weekend!

  • Steve Adams
    Steve Adams Member Posts: 88 ✭✭

    i'm still waiting too...no charge to my cc and no calvin.  with us being snowed in (20+ inches in New York City) figured i could work on my dissertation and review some of the letters between Luther and Calvin.  Guess that will have to wait now.

     

    nancy

  • Westie
    Westie Member Posts: 59 ✭✭
  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    Maybe, but I ordered the update months ago, my credit card was charged Friday, and no download, or update...usually not so excited about a prepub, but really wanted to dig into this one this weekend!

    Greg, what have you tried to do?

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    Mark said:

    I downloaded the files from logos.com, and it worked

    This works for 3.0 (they are also the 3.0 files, not the 4.0 file, but will work in 4.0.)

    In 3.0 download them directly to your Resources folder. If you also have 4.0 you can use the Scan command directed to your Logos 3 resources folder to get Logos 4 to recognize them.

    If you don't have 3.0 on your computer, download them to a separate folder of your choosing (not your Logos 4 resources folder). To get them into Logos 4 use the Scan command on that folder.

    See: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Commands for the scan command.

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  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    DW Bouey said:

    The Logos email also contained other options for getting the files manually (JPG, links not active):

    That will only work for those with 3.0 installed and only for 3.0, not 4.0. I've posted the info on this email as misleading.

    Note that right above the red box the line to download from the ftp site? It is on;y for the Haroutunian book and not the commentaries. Also in my note about this email.

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  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    DW Bouey said:

    The Logos email also contained other options for getting the files manually (JPG, links not active):

    That will only work for those with 3.0 installed and only for 3.0, not 4.0. I've posted the info on this email as misleading.

    Note that right above the red box the line to download from the ftp site? It is on;y for the Haroutunian book and not the commentaries. Also in my note about this email.

    Sorry, Mark, I certainly didn't mean to be misleading. I only have shell of Libronix3 installed from when I  installed Vol12 of the TJL to port into L4 after license sync. Haven't opened L3 since then. Unless I misunderstand you, you don't think I have access to the new set of Calvin commentaries in my L4?

    After running the script attached to the email (I'll delete the post immediately hereafter and leave the question answering to you folks in the future, my apologies), I certainly do have both the old Ages (until I hide them later) and the upgraded Calvin Commentaries along with the Haroutunian volume.

     

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,835

    DW Bouey said:

    Unless I misunderstand you, you don't think I have access to the new set of Calvin commentaries in my L4?

    The route you pointed to will not get the resources into 4.0 That is what is misleading about the email.

    Logos 4 will (should) automatically download these resources for us without our doing anything. We only need to take action if we want these resources in 3.0.

     

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  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    DW Bouey said:

    Unless I misunderstand you, you don't think I have access to the new set of Calvin commentaries in my L4?

    The route you pointed to will not get the resources into 4.0 That is what is misleading about the email.

    Logos 4 will (should) automatically download these resources for us without our doing anything. We only need to take action if we want these resources in 3.0.

    Mark, doing absolutely nothing but executing the script file Logos attached to my billing invoice did get them into my Logos4 without ever opening my skeleton Libronix3. That is all I did to get the files in my Logos4. I reiterate, it was and is not my intention to ever mislead anyone and I've deleted the content of my earlier post to ensure that. So, be assured I'll not be responding to any further issues here since there are those of you far more acquainted with the intricacies of the software who've used it considerably longer than than the several years I have. Now, to close this out on my end...

    I know exactly what I did to get the Calvin Commentary files and it was all I had to do - I know I never opened my Libronix 3 at any point before, during or since - I did not need to. Almost immediately after I executed the attached script and ran "update now" my Logos4 began downloading the files. The downloaded files installed flawlessly. Here they are mixed in with the not yet hidden older Ages Calvin commentaries:

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  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    One final addenda: I neglected to mention that prior to running that script, I was not able to get my Logos4 to download the Calvin Commentary package with the "Update Now", etc., commands. That's what precipitated my finally going back and reading the entire body of the invoice copy.

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  • Mark Smith
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    Debra,

    I do not question what you did. Just the effect. Update Now brought the resources into Logos 4, not running the script. You do not have to run scripts to get new resources into 4.0. Part of the beauty of this on-line always design of 4.0.

    Please don't take my comments as being critical to you. It is just that the script you ran is a 3.0 script. Here is what comes up after clicking on it:

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    That is a 3.0 update script.

    When I click Open here is the screen that comes up:

    image

    This script runs the Logos 3 (Libronix) updater.

    You got your resources by running Update Now in Logos 4. That's all.

    The issue is for those who don't have 3.0 installed who will get an error message by following the directions in this email. Those with 4.0 need a notice that their card has been charged and their licenses updated and they don't need to do anything more.

    By doing what you did you can use the commentaries in 3.0 if you choose to do so (you'd have to download them).

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  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,877

    IF you bought and you own L4, you will not need to run any scripts. THe script is only to load things into L3. The books will download automatically into L4 upon restart (or update) once Logos associates the license with your account.

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  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    Mark-

    It may have just been coincidence/just a matter of timing, but repeatedly running "update now" did not cause the files to automatically download (as it has for earlier purchases/pre-pub releases into L4) until after I went back to the [erroneous] email instructions in the invoice. All I'd get before that was the dreaded "No Updates Available" ticker at the bottom right screen.

    I wondered at the time if it hadn't just been a matter of unlocking the files with script ... something I'd never had to do with any other post-L4 install new purchases or pre-pub releases.

     

     

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  • Mark Smith
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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    ELA said:

    Now Logos 4 has downloaded the Haroutunian - and nothing else. The download and unlock link for Logos 3 was also only for the Haroutunian volume. I have the Commentaries from Galaxie's history collection.

    Now I can't help wondering if the upgrade is only for resources bought through Logos (though customerservice said it would be OK). Does anybody know?

    I think there is a problem with the upgrade license for those of us who bought either the volume from Haroutunian, or the entire 500 collection. My order clearly states 46vols., and I definitely have the Ages Software version of the Calvin Commentary set that is supposed to be upgraded. Yet all Logos4 will give me is the volume by Haroutunian. Logos3 does not recognize the new Calvin's Commentaries either, even after running the script that came via email, and downloading one of the files from the FTP site (the file appears as locked).

    I think we're stuck until Monday, when Logos reopens.

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