Whew! Blblical Archaeologist is Shipping. Now what?

OK. I thought my Academic Journals Bundle had to be the worst pre-pub ever. But Logos said not to worry.

And I didn't. Now, I'm wondering. (I guess that's better.)

I was going to cancel my Archaeologist journal in favor of my Academic Journals bundle. Luckily I didn't since the latter hasn't budged even a pixel.

Now the Master Journal bundle seems further down the racetrack but it too doesn't appear to be nearing the finish line.

Plus, I wonder what the price will be if they ship all the journals before the master journals? Maybe I should cancel the Archaeologist since the masters are often cheaper?

The final answer? The Biblical Archaeologist is shipping!! Worry ... oops ... wonder later.

EDIT: Just seconds later, I think I'll go back and sign up for the other journals I want.

EDIT: OK, even more seconds later. BASOR is also shipping. Hmm. Now what. Together, they're MORE than my Academic bundles that's going nowhere. This is getting dicey. Sit on my current hand, or up my bid? Or cancel, and see what happens?

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Kenneth Neighoff

I think some of the answers you need only Phil could provide. I hope he does before these journals ship.

Deacon Steve

Link for Biblical Archaeologist for those interested:

https://www.logos.com/product/38021/biblical-archaeologist-near-eastern-archaeology

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693302#Comment_693302

I'm pretty sure that you can't go by budging pixels with the Masters. Being a people of faith, Logos knows everyone is going to want Masters and will go ahead and put it in production before its pre-paid. I hope. And wonder. We just have to wait a little longer.

What if we paid for Masters and then got the goodies as they were shipped? Otherwise we may not read them until the Millennium. Not worrying. Just wondering.

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693372#Comment_693372

What if we paid for Masters and then got the goodies as they were shipped?

Now I LIKE that suggestion! Say we'd authorize Logos to charge our cards immediately (rather than waiting until everything's ready to ship), then we'd get each set (or individual resource) as it's ready to ship.

Let's all beg Logos to allow this!

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693296#Comment_693296

Journal of Cuneiform Studies (19 vols.)

Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.)

Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues)

All three of these are affected by this issue and are currently in the immediate queue for release

So we need official Faithlife advice on the best course of action.

Note the price of these three collections come to around the same for me as the whole of the Master Journal Bundle (1,280+ vols.)

so we need this resolved.

Shalom

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693497#Comment_693497

Note that I do not have a pre-order listed for these, but they are still grayed out, and it says upon hover that I already have a pre-order for them (because I pre-ordered the master bundle). This doesn't help explain how these are going to be charged, but it does show that if you have the master bundle then you should be getting these automatically (whenever and however they ship).

The prospect of these being charged separately is a little frightening.

Edit: I had two of them in my pre-orders list, Journal of Cuneiform Studies (19 vols.) and Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues), and when I deleted JCS, it allowed me to pre-order it again, so I don't know what's going on.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693515#Comment_693515

This is incredibly confusing. I have ordered the Masters Bundle and expect to pay a dynamic price for all the journals. I too, have Biblical Archaeologist grayed out and the price listed is about a fourth of what I expect to pay for the Masters bundle. Whatever is going on?

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693497#Comment_693497

Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.)

Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues)

Dear Friends, please note that these two journals are also part of Logos 6 Standard Platinum (and above). I have ordered no bundle (yet) but these are pre-orders for me - and will ship when the date comes - based on THAT purchase. In other words, if you owned L6 Platinum, Diamond, Portfolio, or Collector's Ed, then pre-ordered a Journal Bundle that includes them, these resources were already considered owned in the price you received. On the other hand, if you ordered a Journal Bundle first, then L6 Plat/Dia/Port/Coll, I assume that your pre-ordered price for the Journal Bundle would have adjusted. Grace and peace. <><

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693497#Comment_693497

Journal of Cuneiform Studies (19 vols.)

Also, just as one add'l note (that does not apply in my case), this Journal is included in Collector's Edition, so I trust that the same would apply regarding the purchase of a Journal Bundle + Collector's Ed.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693585#Comment_693585

Thank you Robert for the contribution. But it does not clear up confusion. I own L6 Platinum. But these two resources not only show up grayed, it also shows up with a "your price" which leads to the conclusion that when it ships, I will be paying the price mentioned. Would not dynamic price list these resources as already paid or $0 if I own Platinum?

This is confusing

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693589#Comment_693589

Thank you Robert for the contribution. But it does not clear up confusion. I own L6 Platinum. But these two resources not only show up grayed, it also shows up with a "your price" which leads to the conclusion that when it ships, I will be paying the price mentioned. Would not dynamic price list these resources as already paid or $0 if I own Platinum?

This is confusing

Brother Mark,

Actually no they wouldn't in my experience. To clarify, these are pre-orders for me based on L6 Plat purchase, but not on my 'Account > Orders > Open Pre-Pubs' listing in my account. They are grayed out when I look at the 'Store > Pre-Pub' (sort by 'Progress') so are considered pre-ordered for me based on the Base Package. If you deleted the 'Account > Orders > Open Pre-Pubs' order you have now, the item would still be grayed out in any other listing and you would receive the shipment at no additional cost.

I will defer to Logos for this next, but if you do nothing, I'm almost certain you will not be further charged when these Journals ship.

Thanks and peace.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693597#Comment_693597

Ok, but the Journal of Cuneiform Studies bundle is listed under my pre-pubs, and I also have it as part of the Master Bundle Pre-pub. If I delete my pre-pub for JCS, then it is no longer grayed out for me, allowing me to preorder it again. What happens when the JCS ships in relation to the Master Journal Bundle order that I have placed?

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693597#Comment_693597

Thanks again, Robert for your helpful contribution. I believe I understand what you are saying. But it is still confusing. The Journal of Cuneiform studies is NOT grayed out for me and yet they also are part of the Masters Journal bundle. Why would the other two journals be grayed out and this one not?

Again, your comments have been helpful. But there is confusion. The only prepub I have is for the masters journal bundle. So it makes no sense that some are grayed out and others are not. We need Phil to weigh in on this.

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693604#Comment_693604

Thanks again, Robert for your helpful contribution. I believe I understand what you are saying. But it is still confusing. The Journal of Cuneiform studies is NOT grayed out for me and yet they also are part of the Masters Journal bundle. Why would the other two journals be grayed out and this one not?

Again, your comments have been helpful. But there is confusion. The only prepub I have is for the masters journal bundle. So it makes no sense that some are grayed out and others are not. We need Phil to weigh in on this.

Mark, it would only be grayed if you had purchased Collector's Ed. A Pre-Pub order (remember you don't "buy" it until near or on the ship date) does not function the same way. Perhaps Logos can comment here.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693613#Comment_693613

Robert, you seem to suggest that if I do not order the Masters Journal Bundle, I would still be getting the archaeologist journal and Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.) since I own L6 Platinum. If this is correct, then I understand it more.

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693602#Comment_693602

Ok, but the Journal of Cuneiform Studies bundle is listed under my pre-pubs, and I also have it as part of the Master Bundle Pre-pub. If I delete my pre-pub for JCS, then it is no longer grayed out for me, allowing me to preorder it again. What happens when the JCS ships in relation to the Master Journal Bundle order that I have placed?

Brother Joseph,

To the best of my understanding the Pre-Pubs are not linked dynamically to each other, since neither is already "owned". Again to the best of my understanding if you have a Pre-Pub on both JCS and Master Journal Bundle and JCS ships before the bundle ships, you would pay the Pre-Pub price on JCS separately, then pay less for the Master Journal Bundle when it ships.

Faithlife alone can (and needs to) confirm here, but in my understanding the separate Pre-Pub for a single resource means that perhaps you will get the individual resource sooner, but (depending on value of that "owned" resource within the Master Bundle) it may cost you more per issue than it would have if you waited for the collection.

One last word - I have confirmed this in my own buying. Choosing to buy a single resource that is part of a Pre-Pub Bundle lowers the dynamic price of the Pre-Pub.

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693615#Comment_693615

Robert, you seem to suggest that if I do not order the Masters Journal Bundle, I would still be getting the archaeologist journal and Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.) since I own L6 Platinum. If this is correct, then I understand it more.

Mark, that is what I am saying - and it is the position I myself am in. Grace and peace.

Phil Gons (Logos)

Sorry for the confusion regarding the journals. Allow me to try to clear some of it up.

The journals that are shipping soon (BA/NEA, BASOR, and JCS) were includes in Logos 6 base packages. Our goal is to have all resources in Logos 6 base packages shipped this month.
If any individual journal collections show up as grayed out for you, that's because you already own a license to them through your Logos 6 base package, or you placed a pre-order for that exact product (in which case you'd see your pre-order date and price on the product page and in your open Pre-Pub orders).
Pre-ordering one of the journal bundles won't gray out the pre-order button for you for individual journals included in it, but only for that specific product.
Don't pay too much attention to the bars. Our system is not built to support products that share production costs. So some of these appear to be further along and closer to shipping than others, but that's not necessarily the case.
All funding sources (master bundle, other bundles, individual journal collections, base packages, etc.) will be pooled together to fund the production work, and we'll probably ship all remaining journals (not included in Logos 6 base packages) at the same time.
You should not pre-order the same product in multiple products. While dynamic pricing should catch it and keep you from getting charged twice, you run the risk of not getting the best deal (e.g., if a small journal collections ships before the bundle, even by minutes, you'll pay more for that content then you would in the bundle).
We are committed to producing this content. You don't need to worry about missing out on a journal by choosing the wrong product.
As you know, bigger bundles are almost always better deals in terms of cost per resource. Pick the right bundle, and stick with it to get the best value.
We're really close to having final production cost numbers in for all the journals in the Master Journal Bundle.
Once we get those numbers in, we hope to set ship dates for all current journal products. Again, we'll likely ship them all at the same time.

I hope this helps. Let me know if there are remaining questions I can answer. And sorry again that this has been confusing.

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693643#Comment_693643

Thanks Phil.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693647#Comment_693647

Thanks Phil. I was under the impression that you guys were cancelling orders that are also covered in the journal bundles. I have cancelled the one outstanding order!

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693451#Comment_693451

What if we paid for Masters and then got the goodies as they were shipped?

Now I LIKE that suggestion! Say we'd authorize Logos to charge our cards immediately (rather than waiting until everything's ready to ship), then we'd get each set (or individual resource) as it's ready to ship.

Let's all beg Logos to allow this!

[Y] Great idea...would require massive confidence and agreement to the process on all sides due to scope and production cost. But if feasible for Faithlife & agreeable to users, would several issues at once. FL is surely hesitant to have us pay for what has not been shipped, but:

1) similar arrangements exist in many Base package purchases where upfront payment occurs for future shipment;

2) FL states these Journal Bundles will be produced (and cash flow to do so might improve); and

3) many individual resources are well advanced, showing considerable overall progress that might be merged this way.

Maybe a great time for an exception. In any case, thanks to Faithlife for the previous explanation of their priority and process so far. <><

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693651#Comment_693651

Re: Prepay before ship for Journal Bundles

Thanks, Phil. Sounds like the production schedule is moving along and this idea would make only slight difference in any case.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693658#Comment_693658

Thanks Phil - looking forward to having the master Journal Bundle in my library

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693643#Comment_693643

Phil,

What about volume 01-54? Will these be updated to the newest Logos standard? I notice that they lack covers in My Library. Moreover, why were these not included in these new Logos collections? I am sure some of your newer customers might enjoy having the first 54 volumes in their library.

Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693647#Comment_693647

Hello Mark

I have L6 Platinum, I checked my Library and I have both of the following:

Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.)

Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues)

I did not order them as a Pre-Pub, but they were part of my Base Package.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693643#Comment_693643

OK, Phil. I think I'm still at the gaming table here. But I'd assume you're busy, so ignore this entry. Just 'playing my hand'.

- I'm canceling my about-to-ship pre-pubs. That would be due to the larger bundles. Makes sense.

- I now have a Academic bundle, which I had increased my bid to a Master bundle. I now have both. I don't really need the Master, but it's a good deal.

My risk (no offense), is that if a single obstruse (sp?) journal gets sidelined (maybe a contract tangle, who knows, life happens), then in theory I don't get journals period. That is, until the bundle ships FDU (future date unknown).

With that in mind, I think I'll keep both bids, since I don't know which one might go FDU (though there's a commitment, Bob repeatedly taught us .... Logos doesn't do promises).

And for anyone wondering, no I don't gamble. But I enjoy calculating risk (and journals). So, I'm guessing no neato journals for the time being. (Though I'd of thought paying the bundle now would be favorable to Logos).

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693668#Comment_693668

Thanks Phil, Lee, and Robert for your helpful comments

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693668#Comment_693668

I now have a Academic bundle, which I had increased my bid to a Master bundle. I now have both. I don't really need the Master, but it's a good deal.

Sounds like you have a pre-order for both Academic and Master. You should know that Master includes everything in Academic. So make sure you cancel one or the other before we ship.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693663#Comment_693663

What about volume 01-54?

Good question. We may not have been able to license these yet.

Will these be updated to the newest Logos standard?

If they're third party content, they probably won't get updated. Once we secure a license and do our own edition, we'll update them.

Moreover, why were these not included in these new Logos collections?

See the answer to the first question.

I'll check on these and see if I can get you a better answer.

James Hiddle

The Archaeologist bundle looks nice. Thanks for mentioning it Denise.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693901#Comment_693901

Thanks Phil

But what about someone who like me has L6 Portfolio , all three for these journal sets on Pre-Pub and the Master Journal Bundle on Pre-Pub.

My "guess" is that the Portfolio will "Trump" the order for two journals - the Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.) and the Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues) - so I will not get charged for the individuals journal sets as I "already own" them.

However my main concern is the Journal of Cuneiform Studies (19 vols.) which isn't part of Portfolio so I believe I would be charged for the Pre-Pub and at a higher rate than as part of the Master Journal Bundle (1,280+ vols.)

Is that a correct understanding - and what is my best action.

Regards Kevin

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/693985#Comment_693985

Thanks Phil

But what about someone who like me has L6 Portfolio , all three for these journal sets on Pre-Pub and the Master Journal Bundle on Pre-Pub.

My "guess" is that the Portfolio will "Trump" the order for two journals - the Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.) and the Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues) - so I will not get charged for the individuals journal sets as I "already own" them.

However my main concern is the Journal of Cuneiform Studies (19 vols.) which isn't part of Portfolio so I believe I would be charged for the Pre-Pub and at a higher rate than as part of the Master Journal Bundle (1,280+ vols.)

Is that a correct understanding - and what is my best action.

Regards Kevin

Kevin, as long as getting JCS this month is not a high priority, I would delete all three from your 'Account > Orders > Open Pre-Pubs' listing. And your reasoning is exactly correct: BASOR and BA/NEA will not bill in any case, since you "own" them in Portfolio, but JCS will bill at $99.95 - certainly a higher rate per unit than they would warrant in the Master Journal Bundle. Grace and peace. <><

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694036#Comment_694036

Kevin, as long as getting JCS this month is not a high priority, I would delete all three from your 'Account > Orders > Open Pre-Pubs' listing. And your reasoning is exactly correct: BASOR and BA/NEA will not bill in any case, since you "own" them in Portfolio, but JCS will bill at $99.95 - certainly a higher rate per unit than they would warrant in the Master Journal Bundle. Grace and peace. <><

On this basis and Phil's response Yesterday - which appear consistent and match my guess/understanding - I have cancelled my Pre-Pub orders for each of these three journals.

Blessings.

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694056#Comment_694056

[Y] Great - and thanks again to Phil!

For those who enjoy the subject density and variety of journals, the bundles (when complete) will certainly be excellent values. As an example, many have noted that the Master Journal Bundle includes the worthwhile "First Things" (248 issues), which alone is a new Pre-Pub at $249.95. Blessings to you also!

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694758#Comment_694758

I hope it will be shipped today

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/698300#Comment_698300

It is not prepub anymore, but I still cant download. [:(]

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/698439#Comment_698439

same here. I wonder if it shipped prior to today for those of us with portfolio?

yup

already downloaded some time back.

Charlene

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/698683#Comment_698683

I only have Platinum, and I got these back in Oct/Nov...apparently Logos has some resources completed, but are not releasing these to the "general public." Not sure why that is the case. I remember back in November that people were talking about getting the "Dictionary of Christian Antiquities" but I didn't get it....apparently it was downloaded only by those with Diamond or above. I have had it pre-ordered forever, but the Pre-Pub still hasn't been released to the rest of us.