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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Feb 16 2015 7:57 PM

Well it looks like the 2015 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica is coming. In pre-pub $99. 

I assume there would also be in one's Logos library?  And it is mobile enabled. 

https://www.logos.com/product/49459/encyclopedia-britannica-noet-edition 

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Sherri Huleatt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 8:34 PM

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your question! This edition is compatible with both the Noet and Logos libraries.

Sherri

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 8:59 PM

Where does the content come from (I.e. what edition of the print books)?

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 9:11 PM

Thanks for mentioning this Bruce. I wonder how long though it will remain in prepub? The EB has been around for a long time and I'm surprised that Faithlife is going to sell this.

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Sherri Huleatt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 9:13 PM

Hi Alabama24,

I believe the content comes from their latest (and last) print edition from 2012. I'll double-check this and get back to you in the morning!

Sherri

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Sherri Huleatt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 9:20 PM

Hi James,

The Noet edition offers updated Encyclopedia Britannica content (with more than 19,000 articles!) integrated into your Noet and/or Logos library. You can jump from an encyclopedia article to an original manuscript to its translation in seconds; this functionality has never been available with EB content before. The Encyclopedia Britannica Noet Edition will also help flesh out your Timeline and Media Search results. In short, it will add a ton of data and information to your library.

Plus, you can get it for 80% off Smile  (But this deal only lasts through Thursday!)

Let me know if you have any more questions!

Sherri

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 12:44 AM

Hi.

Is the Product page correct ... 19,000 articles?

Wikipedia states that:

The 2013 edition of Britannica contained approximately forty thousand articles,[4] and by comparison to Wikipedia, was over one hundred times smaller than the current number of articles contained in Wikipedia - specifically, 4,721,088 articles in English (as of February 16, 2015).

Of course, Wikipedia's marketing department wants to say that they are 100 times bigger ... so presumably they would have said 19,000 if they could!!!

The link for the source of the Wikipedia figure is broken ... 

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Hans van den Herik | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 12:55 AM

The official Britannica DVD has more than 100.000 articles.

From the website: Encyclopædia Britannica
Access the world's most trusted and authoritative information, featuring over 100,000 articles from the 32-volume Encyclopædia Britannica print set.

I also wonder if this is the whole encylopedia and not only a selection.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 1:03 AM

A.J. van den Herik:
I also wonder if this is the whole encylopedia and not only a selection.

Seems awfully pricey, then.

You can get the official Encyclopedia Britannica 2015 Ultimate Edition DVD for £39.99 (about $61) directly from Britannica. Less from other vendors.

Yes, the Noet edition will have more features than just the articles, with all the tagging that must go into it. So I'd be willing to pay $99.95 for it. But not if what we're getting isn't the entire thing. And that's the pre-pub price, too, after which it goes up to $499.95? That seems way too steep for partial content and even if it were the whole thing.

EDIT: I realized there might be different ways of counting articles. Some counts might include the "XXXXX. See YYYYY." entries and some might not.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 1:11 AM

Brace yourself, Logos' poor tagging (or incomplete) is coming in strong on this one. 

You've been warned.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 2:26 AM

Being Noet and given the provided information I had presumed it might be the 11th edition 1911.  But maybe not?

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Rayner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 3:34 AM

A.J. van den Herik:
I also wonder if this is the whole encylopedia and not only a selection.

I might be interested, but only in the whole thing, and not a selection.  Can anybody clarify?

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 3:58 AM

I am intrigued by the offering but am not sure why I would need it. For biblical studies, I have the likes of Anchor Bible Dictionary and many other dictionaries. 

Would someone kindly provide an example of what this resource would do that is not already well covered by extant resources?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 4:12 AM

Please, Faithlife, we would like an on point, accurate description of this encyclopedia.  It seems you got your facts wrong or offering a limited content edition at an overpriced tag. Please, correct.

Thanks!

DAL

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Rayner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 4:14 AM

Francis:
Would someone kindly provide an example of what this resource would do that is not already well covered by extant resources?

I think it's more useful for general knowledge than biblical knowledge.  I value Logos as a tool and platform (a somewhat expensive one) for interacting with academic materials.  For me, it's mostly a theological exercise because my interest is theology (and biblical studies).  Kindle is hopeless for academic work because it's very difficult to make clippings  and copy/paste functionality doesn't exist.  The searching is limited on Kindle and for years I had been despairing of how to create a digital library in which I could create highlights and notes on the text itself.  Logos is a solution to all of that.  I'd personally consider purchasing the EB because it's an academic peer-reviewed encyclopedia (which Wikipedia is not) and would give general knowledge about historical topics (and art) which wouldn't be present in the bible dictionaries.

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 5:31 AM

I would also be interested if it were the entire EB. What I suspect we have here is a curated edition, with only the articles that would seem to be relevant to Noet/Logos resource users (philosophy, literature, Biblical studies, theology, and so forth). I would only buy this edition if I knew that the entire EB was in fact in production and would be available at a later date.

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 6:10 AM

I hope someone from Logos can clarify what the product really is.

From the web, "If one were to read the entire printed edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (2002), consisting of 32 volumes, 33,000 pages, and 44 million words, it would take a reader 153 days." This was in relation to AJ Jacobs who read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica and wrote a book about it.

My assumption is that Logos is not offering the entire Encyclopedia.  They list the number of pages as 12,866 and the number of articles as 19,000 and  10 million words.

I have the 2008 DVD edition that I had not installed on the PC that I purchased last year.  So I installed it today and here is an example of an article from it, this one on Aaron.

Aaron

Introduction

flourished 14th century BC

  • Aaron, detail of a 3rd-century fresco from the synagogue at Doura-Europus, Syria; in the National …

the traditional founder and head of the Jewish priesthood, who, with his brother Moses, led the Israelites out of Egypt. The figure of Aaron as it is now found in the Pentateuch is built up from several sources of traditions. In the Talmud and Midrash he is seen as the leading personality at the side of Moses. He has appeared in different roles in Christian thought.

 

Life.

Aaron is described in the Old Testament book of Exodus as a son of Amram and Jochebed of the tribe of Levi, three years older than his brother Moses. He acted together with his brother in the desperate situation of the Israelites in Egypt and took an active part in the Exodus. Although Moses was the actual leader, Aaron acted as his “mouth.” The two brothers went to the pharaoh together, and it was Aaron who told him to let the people of Israel go, using his magic rod in order to show the might of Yahweh. When the pharaoh finally decided to release the people, Yahweh gave the important ordinance of the Passover, the annual ritual remembrance of the Exodus, to Aaron and Moses. But Moses alone went up on Mount Sinai, and he alone was allowed to come near to Yahweh. Moses later was ordered to “bring near” Aaron and his sons, and they were anointed and consecrated to be priests “by a perpetual statute.” Aaron's sons were to take over the priestly garments after him. Aaron is not represented as wholly blameless. It was he who, when Moses was delayed on Mount Sinai, made the golden calf that was idolatrously worshiped by the people.

Once a year, on Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement), Aaron was allowed to come into the Holy of Holies, the most sacred part of the tabernacle, or sanctuary, in which the Hebrew tribes worshiped, bringing his offering. Together with his sister, Miriam, Aaron spoke against Moses because he had married a foreigner (a Cushite woman); but, as in the episode of the golden calf, the narrative tells how Aaron was merely reproved, though Miriam was punished, for the offense. In the rebellion of Korah the Levite, however, Aaron stood firmly at the side of Moses. According to Numbers 20, Aaron died on the top of Mount Hor at the age of 123; in Deuteronomy 10, which represents another tradition, he is said to have died in Moserah and was buried there.

Aaron is a central figure in the traditions about the Exodus, though his role varies in importance. At the beginning he seems to be coequal with Moses, but after the march out of Egypt he is only a shadow at Moses' side. Moses is obviously the leading figure in the tradition, but it is also clear that he is pictured as delegating his authority in all priestly and cultic matters to Aaron and “his sons.”

 

Aaron and the biblical critics.

Scholars have long been aware that the figure of Aaron as it is now found in the Pentateuch, or first five books of the Old Testament, is built up from several sources or layers of traditions. According to Julius Wellhausen, a German biblical scholar, and his followers, the Yahwist source was the oldest one, followed in order by the Elohist, Deuteronomist, and Priestly code. Scholars have attributed the passages about Aaron to one or the other of these sources. Although their results differ, they do agree in ascribing about 90 percent of the material about Aaron to the Priestly source. According to Wellhausen, Aaron was not mentioned at all in the Yahwist narrative, but he may have been inserted by later redactors.

Other scholars, such as Sigmund Mowinckel, believe that the narrative about the golden calf, which presents Aaron in an unfavourable light, was part of the ancient tradition in the Yahwist work, being the only passage in it that mentions him. This narrative, according to these scholars, originally came from the northern kingdom of Israel and described Aaron as the ancestor of the priests in northern Israel; later it was rewritten in a way defamatory to Aaron. But there are also features in the narrative that may indicate that a later source (or traditionist), the Elohist, tried to excuse Aaron and to put the main responsibility on the people. The Elohist narrator was credited with making Aaron the brother and helper of Moses, who stood at the side of Moses in the conflict with the pharaoh and assisted him as a leader in battles and in the cult. It may also be the Elohist who provides the unfavourable story about Aaron's objection to Moses' wife. On the other hand, it seems to be the same narrator who mentions Aaron at the side of Moses in the revolt at Meribah, but here also Aaron, together with Moses, is actually reproached. There is reason to believe that Aaron was not mentioned in the Deuteronomist work by the original author but that his name has been added by a redactor. The main bulk of the traditions about Aaron and the frequent addition of “and Aaron” after the mention of Moses are found in the Priestly source, which was written at a time when the priests had a more dominant position in Judah than they had before the exile. By then Moses had ceased to be the hero of the priests, and Aaron had taken over that role.

Many modern scholars speak of traditions where their predecessors spoke of sources, but, apart from this terminology, the view concerning Aaron has not greatly changed. There have been new attempts, however, to see the contrasting figures of Moses and Aaron in a new light. It has been suggested that the traditions about Moses represent a southern Judaean tradition, while the old traditions about Aaron originated in the northern kingdom. It has also been indicated that the traditions about Moses are primarily concerned with a prophet, while those about Aaron are connected with priesthood. There may be a kernel of truth in all these suggestions, as also in the theory of Ivan Engnell that Moses represents the royal ideology while Aaron stands for priesthood, and priesthood alone. The standing struggle between the king and the leading priests is reflected both in the laws and in the narratives of the historical books.

 

Aaron in later Jewish and Christian thought.

Aaron continued to live as a symbol in Jewish religion and traditions, and the position of the priests was strengthened after the exile. Also, in the Qumrān sect, a Jewish community that flourished in the era just before and contemporary with the birth of Christianity, Aaron was a symbol for a strong priesthood, as can be seen from the Dead Sea Scrolls. At the end of time, men of the community should be set apart, as a select group in the service of Aaron. Only the sons of Aaron should “administer judgment and wealth,” and, according to the Manual of Discipline, two messiahs were expected, one of Aaron, the priestly one, and one of Israel. According to a fragment found near Qumrān, the priest would have the first seat in the banquets in the last days and bless the bread before the messiah of Israel. Here “the sons of Aaron” have the highest position.

In Talmud and Midrash (Jewish commentative and interpretative writings), Aaron is seen less as a symbol than as the leading personality at the side of Moses. The relationship between the two brothers is painted as prototypical in the Haggada (“Narrative”—the nonlegal parts of Talmud and Midrash). Rabbi Hillel, the great liberal sage, praised Aaron as peace-loving, a man of goodwill, who wanted to teach his fellowmen the Law.

In Jewish exegesis little is said about him, though he is mentioned as a man who created peace among men. Many attempts have been made to explain Aaron's participation in the episode of the golden calf. According to some exegetes, Aaron had to make the calf in order to avoid being killed. In the 11th century, the French commentator Rashi contended that the calf was a symbol of the leader, Moses, who was at that time on the mountain. The relationship between Moses and Aaron is also discussed in the Talmud. Some traditionists have wondered why Aaron, and not Moses, was appointed high priest. The answer has been found in an indication that Moses was rejected because of his original unwillingness when he was called by Yahweh. It also seems to have been hard for some traditionists to accept that Aaron was described as older than Moses. The death of Aaron is related in the Midrash Petirat Aharon.

The first Christian communities admitted that Aaron, “the sons of Aaron,” or “the order of Aaron” constituted symbols of the highest priesthood. But in The Letter to the Hebrews, Christ is described as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek, which was set against “the order of Aaron.” Of the Church Fathers, Cyril of Alexandria says that Aaron was divinely called to a priesthood and that he was a type of Christ. Gregory the Great translates the name Aaron as “mountain of strength” and sees in him a redeemer who mediated between God and man.

 

Arvid S. Kapelrud

Additional Reading

F.S. North, “Aaron's Rise in Prestige,” in Zeitschrift für die alttestamentliche Wissenschaft, 66:191–199 (1954), is a short study of Aaron's position. Roland De Vaux, Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (1961, reissued 1973; originally published in French, 2 vol., 1958–60); and Aelred Cody, A History of Old Testament Priesthood (1969), include discussions of Aaron and his place in ancient Israelite life and cult. Walter Beyerlin, Origins and History of the Oldest Sinaitic Traditions (1965; originally published in German, 1961), focuses on the traditions behind the story of Moses and Aaron. H.H. Rowley, Worship in Ancient Israel: Its Form and Meaning (1967, reissued 1976), surveys the religious life in Israel, including Aaron and his role. Bertil E. Gärtner, The Temple and the Community in Qumran and the New Testament (1965), treats the religious cult in the Qumrān society, in which “Aaron” was synonymous with the chief priest. Heinrich Valentin, Aaron: eine Studie zur vorpriesterlichen Aaron-Überlieferung (1978), analyzes the various interpretations of the biblical references about Aaron.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 6:23 AM

Francis:

I am intrigued by the offering but am not sure why I would need it. For biblical studies, I have the likes of Anchor Bible Dictionary and many other dictionaries. 

Would someone kindly provide an example of what this resource would do that is not already well covered by extant resources?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, 166
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. 167

Shakespeare, Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, I, v, ll 166-67.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 6:26 AM

Thank you, Bruce, for your helpful example. I notice that the most "recent" item in the bibliography on Aaron is from 1978! Makes me wonder how recent biblical material might be in it. Perhaps looking up a couple other examples (Jesus? Pentateuch?) could help answer this question. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 6:55 AM

The Noet Edition of Encyclopedia Britannica makes the Timeline—Logos’ visual chronicle of world history—even more robust



Thats one of the reasons I'm interested. Filling out the timeline with other events.

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