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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 3:54 PM

Justin Gatlin:

James Hiddle:

H.-J.van der Wal:

If you have the Cultural Concepts Database you can search the Factbook for "God as mother".

Didn't know about that resource thanks for mentioning it Yes

The extremely small list of verses is interesting. There is nothing really conclusive there to support the idea of calling God mother. I got better results from an Everything search of "God AND gender" than from male or female. I also found an article in Themelios about it.

Factbook has a suggested search:

Proximity search excludes results from "God AND gender" that are 12 or more words apart:

God WITHIN 11 WORDS gender

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Rayner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:10 PM

How do you find the hyperlink to the Logos reference that you posted above?  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:13 PM

I'd been staying out of this but you might be interested in the Shekinah as the feminine side of God.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:14 PM

Rayner:
How do you find the hyperlink to the Logos reference that you posted above?  

In the Factbook panel, click the icon at the top left and then select "Copy location as URL"

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:28 PM

DAL:

But like others have stated God is neither male nor female he is spirit.

...but, but...

**read the sign, David, read the SIGN**

Slippery  When  All  Wet

*sigh*

Denise, have you got an extra pair of pitons I could borrow?

DAL:

The male and female imagery it's only used to illustrate concepts In order to make it easy for us to understand or at least try to understand God.

Yes, because as we all know, YHWH is just not quite up to the task of being able to get His creation to comprehend what He's like in reality. That is just a bridge too far. Sure, it seemed like He had a decent grasp on the whole omnipotence thing, and that nothing was even remotely hard for him, but for all we know, in this pitiful, frail, dirt mind we got saddled with from out of nowhere and is otherwise only just created in His image, that "all-powerful" idea may have been a figment of our own inability to comprehend His true nature. Since we can't really trust His explicit statements to us due to our clayish incapacity, He has to resort to hints and shadowy figures--not because He wants to...it's because He has to, don'tcha know.That's simply the best He can do for us and the most He can help us to do for ourselves. Poor YHWH...how disappointing this cavernous distance must be to Him. If only He had the same unlimited power his pathetic creatures all constantly attribute to Him, except for this one, most import point of all. Sad

**Uh, David...the SIGN!!!**

Oh, snap!

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Rayner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:33 PM

Graham Criddle:

Rayner:
How do you find the hyperlink to the Logos reference that you posted above?  

In the Factbook panel, click the icon at the top left and then select "Copy location as URL"

Thank you.  In that case, I will suggest the following resources as of some use:

IVP Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets

Eve: Accused or Acquitted? (Joseph Abraham)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:43 PM

MJ. Smith:

I'd been staying out of this but you might be interested in the Shekinah as the feminine side of God.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 4:54 PM

The "Shekinah" is a post-biblical term frequently used in rabbinic literature to denote the divine presence on earth. In its fullest development in late midrashic literature, the Shekinah represented an independent entity, God’s feminine alter ego, who could, and did, confront her male counterpart and argue with him on behalf of man. She was thus by function and position tantamount to a goddess, as Patai aptly indicated in the title of his study, the fourth chapter of which (pp. 137–156) deals with the origin and development of the concept. The present summary is, perforce, limited to essential points.

The concept of the Shekinah developed as a part of the process of hypostatisation or personification of divine qualities or aspects, a subject which has been treated at length by H. Ringgren (1947).

Pope, Marvin H. Song of Songs: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary. Vol. 7C. Anchor Yale Bible. New Haven; London: Yale University Press, 2008.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 5:11 PM

Oooooh, shekinah as a post-Biblical term.  Us targumites would draw great offense. Maybe even a 'debate'. Just yesterday, a Logos writer had pushed a targum back before the OT apocrypha.  And then there's Qumran.  Just having fun.

But David's need for a piton is unfortunate.  I had expected DAL to go with a plain-text reading (which wouldn't argue yea or nea). It was the gnostics that grabbed the spirit and sophia (not to mention help from the shekinah), and off they went.  Plain-text is the only thing that prevents a slippery slope (a key creedal statement in the literalist denomination).

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 5:18 PM

Good evening, God bless you all:

John 4:3, 1 Peter 2:4, 1 Peter 2:5.

Somebody once said never to underestimate how terrestrial we are, and how that makes us so anthropocentric in our conceptions.

The above verses make me wonder, maybe we have not got the slightest clue of what life will be like in heaven, and yet, here

we are thinking in gender terms just like the Sadducees.

Maybe when we get to heaven, we will be in for a big surprise, with respect to the nature of the glorified bodies and that of the other beings there.

I look forward to a life where gender and ethnicity are no longer of importance, but only to enjoy the radiance of God's Glory fully in Godly love.

Just a different perspective proposed, blessings.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 5:22 PM

Sorry the first verse was Revelation 4:3

blessings.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 5:57 PM

One thing you might try is to catalog the uses of male and female language and imagery. So, for instance, how many occurrences of male personal pronouns referring to God, how many occurrences of female personal pronouns referring to God, how many male images used to refer God's actions ("like a father unto you"), how many female images referring to God's actions ("like a hen gathering her chicks),  etc. You might also break the images down based on where they appear and how they're used (e.g., in poetry, as a metaphor in a prose passage, etc.). Without trying to prejudge, understanding the way in which each type of language is used, and how often it is used, would seem relevant to understanding how God chooses to reveal God to us.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 5 2015 4:46 PM

Good evening, God bless you all:

Very good methodology EastTN, thanks for sharing.

Blessings.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 5 2015 4:51 PM

If we prove too much, we prove too little. Paul also compares himself to a mother, so any argumentation must not also work if applied to Paul, who remained distinctly male.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 5 2015 6:26 PM

Maybe 7-8 years ago, if you ran a Google search on "Moses nurse", you'd find lengthy discussions on exactly what Moses' role was (of course Moses himself had the same question).

But today if you do the same query, then you get a fairly decent Bible search.  I'd assume they've tinkered around to make the google searches more religion responsive.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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