The links don't work yet showing the discount, but it's looking like a sweet deal. What a discount on two fairly recent commentary volumes from the OTL series (normally sold for $45 and $43)!
The links don't work yet showing the discount, but it's looking like a sweet deal.
As you say, this looks like an amazing deal. Thanks Faithlife!
Can't wait until these links go live. Here is what the link show right now when I tried them.
Awesome deal! I hope that's not an error and it gets changed to something else.
DAL
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this is great. something I don't already have.
Maybe tomorrow it turns out to be an April Fool's day joke.
You hush! [;)]
THIS WOULD BE AN AWESOME OFFERING!
Finally, free books that I don't have! [<:o)]
As I understand it, the disadvantage of these free books is that if you decide to get the rest of the set, then you still have to pay for the free book. I'm not sure about the 99c book...since you are paying for it, that may count as a qualifying purchase. Still, one nearly free book isn't a bad deal.
Excited about this one!
But as this thread from a year ago asks, why are so many volumes missing?
I don't think we should think of this as a "disadvantage". Rather I think we should think about it as an opportunity to have a free or nearly-free preview and then we get to keep the preview. I'm sure Faithlife is hoping that, once we choose a book from a series that we would consider purchasing the rest of the series. If I was running the company I know that would be my strategy.
Good stuff!
As I understand it, the disadvantage of these free books is that if you decide to get the rest of the set, then you still have to pay for the free book
Have you read something that books acquired "free" aren't eligible for dynamic pricing? I have not read that. Even if true, it isn't a "disadvantage." A disadvantage would be: "Since you received the free book last year, now you will have to pay a $10 fee above the price you would have paid if you hadn't received the free book." [;)]
As I understand it, the disadvantage of these free books is that if you decide to get the rest of the set, then you still have to pay for the free book Have you read something that books acquired "free" aren't eligible for dynamic pricing? I have not read that.
Have you read something that books acquired "free" aren't eligible for dynamic pricing? I have not read that.
It came up when the free set of Sproul books went out a year or two ago. They are part of a larger set, and I don't think you get credit for owning the free set if you decide to purchase the larger set. I'm going on memory, so my details may be off.
I use the term "disadvantage" because if a customer decides to open their wallet and get the bigger set or collection, they lose the freebie. Those who don't spend money keep the freebie. Those who spend money in a sense lose compared to those who don't. At the very least its somewhat counter-intuitive that an actual customer is less benefited than a non-customer.
The same goes for those who have purchased the most expensive packages--they are constantly not able to take advantage of freebies because they already own them. The better customers tend to always get the short end of the stick.
Unfortunately these would have to be free or $.99 for them to ever get in my Library. Even then they may not make it.
David,
I think the issue with Sproul is that they are permanently free. Dynamic Pricing calculates the cost of the package based on current prices, so it's clear you don't get a discount for not having paid for a permanently free book. I definitely remember threads where people shared the experience that owning a prior month free book accounted for full price and thus dynamic price reduction later.
Perhaps. I'd like to be able to benefit from at least a few of the "good will" gestures Logos makes. I usually am able to take advantage of freebies and the like only about 1/3 to 1/4 of the time.
Just so people can take a look at the set...
https://www.logos.com/product/40820/the-old-testament-library-series
I do plan on getting this at some point. I was even considering on getting it today, but decided to wait before this announcement. Perhaps next month.
David, I think the issue with Sproul is that they are permanently free. Dynamic Pricing calculates the cost of the package based on current prices, so it's clear you don't get a discount for not having paid for a permanently free book. I definitely remember threads where people shared the experience that owning a prior month free book accounted for full price and thus dynamic price reduction later.
That has been my experience. If the larger collection has dynamic pricing, and the normal price of the resources is non-zero, I've seen a discount once the resources return to their normal price.
Why do you say that Mark?
Good morning, David.
The FBOTM prices should now be available.
I'm sorry you had a negative experience with our Dynamic Pricing program with previous free books. Without knowing the specifics, I cannot speak directly to that issue.
However, I can assure you that Dynamic Pricing DOES APPLY.
That is to say, once you download these two books, you will be elligible for Dynamic Pricing on the entire set, which you link to above: https://www.logos.com/product/40820/the-old-testament-library-series
Links are now working.
The link is working now. Thanks Logos.
It does indeed! Wow. [Y]
I doubt I will find them at all helpful. They are very low rated on bestcommentaries.com. I doubt if I had them I'd have time to consult them so whu have them?
I think bestcommentaries.com isn't exactly scientific, though not useless. I have heard mostly good things about the OTL, and this page shows pretty good reviews.
What I don't understand is why the whole set wasn't published. There are many more volumes than the 7 in the current Logos offering.
They are very low rated on bestcommentaries.com.
When I check Best Commentaries, it appears that the volume on Isaiah ranks above the following:
It is of course, up to you. [:)]
After buying both for 99c the price for the larger collection fell by $75.
That's great to hear. That should put it close to the PrePub price, I think.
I had picked up another volume in used print recently, the one on Psalms. Quite good.
Great deal. Thanks Faithlife!
Thanks for the great deal!
Thank you, Faithlife. These resources look really interesting and I look forward to reading them.
Just got them both. Thank you Faithlife [Y]
Great deal! Thanks all! This year has been great for the FBOTM [:D]
Got both as well. Thanks Faithlife/Logos.
Mine only fell by $35...[:^)]
My thoughts exactly.
Thanks Faithlife for this great deal [Y]
I bought both for 0.99 and when I rechecked the Full Set, the price dropped with the correct amount. Nice. :-D
When I check Best Commentaries, it appears that the volume on Isaiah ranks above the following: Young's 3 volume set Goldingay's Understanding the Bible volume Watt's WBC volume NAC Expositor's Bible Commentary And several other respected volumes.
Yes, but behind 11 other volumes. It's ranked 12th.
Jeremiah is ranked 20th.
It is correct the bestcommentaries is neither scientific nor unbiased. Most of the reviews seem to come from conservative listings.
It is also true that commentaries are a personal choice.
To be fair, here are Tremper Longman's reviews from his OT Commentary Survey book:
Childs, B. S. Isaiah. OTL. Westminster John Knox/SCM, 2001. xx/555 pp. Well worth getting is Childs’s canon-conscious take on the book. Though not quite as well done in depth and detail as his much earlier Exodus commentary, it is helpful to see how he manages what he considers to be the compositional history of the book with the final form’s theological message. MS****
Allen, L. C. Jeremiah. OTL. Westminster John Knox, 2008. xxix/546 pp. Allen is an excellent scholar and does a great job articulating the message of Jeremiah in its original context. He helpfully puts his focus on the final form of the book. He pays little attention to the book from a New Testament perspective, I assume by design (there is even only a very brief mention of New Testament’s appropriation of the New Covenant [see 31:31–34]). MS****
So you can see Longman likes both volumes.
Here is part of a review from JETS on Jeremiah
In his introduction, Allen establishes some interesting premises for the commentary. One premise is that he does not make any effort to make contemporary application of the text; Jeremiah is studied as essentially a self-contained text without much effort to address the meaning or significance of Jeremiah’s message for today. Indeed, little effort is made to explain Jeremiah’s specific historical setting and how Jeremiah’s prophecy addressed his own generation (at least, the part of the book of Jeremiah that was extant in his own day). The hermeneutical arch is thus left largely unconstructed at both ends. This is a significant shortcoming for pastors and scholars interested in the meaning and application of the text for our generation. Scholars interested in how key passages such as Jeremiah’s famous “confessions,” his visit to the potter’s house in chapter 18, and his prophecy of the new covenant in chapter 31, will find just a few paragraphs discussing the theological significance of each of these texts. The commentary primarily describes the literary composition and structure of these texts, along with conjectures about the motive for redactional amendments. The focus is thus almost entirely on the style of the text rather than the content of the text.Steve W. Lemke, “Review of Jeremiah: A Commentary by Leslie C. Allen,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 53, no. 2 (2010): 392.
Sorry, can't find a review in my journals for the Isaiah volume.
I have just been able to download both for the grand sum of 99c. These have to be the best Book of the Month deals yet. Thank you Logos.
Why do you say that Mark? I doubt I will find them at all helpful. They are very low rated on bestcommentaries.com. I doubt if I had them I'd have time to consult them so whu have them?
Hi Mark,
As a conservative "Conservative Baptist", I have found at least two OTL/NTL volumes very helpful and not just for academic work. Specifically, Brevard Childs' Exodus and Luke Timothy Johnson's Hebrews are excellent. I may not agree with either of them on every point, but they both offer unique insights. Tremper Longman praises Childs as one of the best commentaries on Exodus and gives 4 stars to his OTL Isaiah work as well.
I would also point out that the Childs' volume is cited many times in the commentaries published after it.
It takes a special kind of person, I guess, to be the grump at a party where everyone else is having a good time.
Yep! Just ask David Paul Who seems to be grumpy all the time LOL
As a conservative "Conservative Baptist", I have found at least two OTL/NTL volumes very helpful and not just for academic work. Specifically, Brevard Childs' Exodus and Luke Timothy Johnson's Hebrews are excellent.
I have Childs on Exodus in hard cover. That was a ground-breaking commentary when released. It is still valuable but one needs some updated commentaries to go with it today.
I have read good things about Johnson on Hebrews. Once Logos produces the NTL perhaps it will be unbundled and I can pick up that volume. Unfortunately my Library tells me I already have 51 commentaries dealing with Hebrews and am fortunate to own the top six listed on bestcommentaries, so I wonder...
It takes a special kind of person, I guess, to be the grump at a party where everyone else is having a good time. Yep! Just ask David Paul Who seems to be grumpy all the time LOL DAL
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Btw, I went ahead and bought the whole OTL collection that Logos offers (pity they don't have the whole thing!) grrrrrrr [:@]
...and I am happily downloading it now. [:D]
As a conservative "Conservative Baptist", I have found at least two OTL/NTL volumes very helpful and not just for academic work. Specifically, Brevard Childs' Exodus and Luke Timothy Johnson's Hebrews are excellent. I have Childs on Exodus in hard cover. That was a ground-breaking commentary when released. It is still valuable but one needs some updated commentaries to go with it today. I have read good things about Johnson on Hebrews. Once Logos produces the NTL perhaps it will be unbundled and I can pick up that volume. Unfortunately my Library tells me I already have 51 commentaries dealing with Hebrews and am fortunate to own the top six listed on bestcommentaries, so I wonder...
Mark,
Johnson on Hebrews is excellent, as he always is in his many other commentaries. Also, de Boer's Galatians commentary is also pretty good, especially if you are looking for a commentary from the apocalyptic camp (cf. Martyn's Galatians in the AYB). Judith Lieu on 1-3 John is also very good.
The main problem with these are not the scholarship, rather it is the size. For those wanting more discussion on textual matters, these may not be the best choice. Nevertheless, they are well done and worth the time to peruse.
One side note, Best Commentaries is nothing more than crowd sourcing. It can be helpful at times, but I have many times felt like it is nothing more than a popularity contest.
Cliff
