Underwhelming
I have no problem paying to access cutting edge features, and my guess is the web client is the future to which we're all moving. That being said, I've cancelled by Logos Now subscription. The promise of a subscription where the value was obvious just isn't the case right now. Perhaps it will be in the months to come. I'll keep an eye on it.
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I agree somewhat with you, as far as I am concerned, considering that I do not really see it as a viable option for myself to subscribe ad infinitum. This means that in the short term, the benefits are those that are here and now and they may not, indeed, be compelling enough (unless of course they happen to correspond to a sore need).
But I suspect that for other types of users, there would be a cumulative pay-off, that of availing themselves to features as they come out. I imagine that the list of these features will also grow as time goes by (I seem to recall something like every 2 months) and so the whole would be more valuable than what is now in month 1. Nevertheless, until one can see what is in store, this remains to be confirmed in experience.
As for web access, it's not a big deal to me. But perhaps it is sufficiently to others that they'd be ready to rent it out for $9/month?
There has been a question on my mind considering the history of new features in Logos and how, when they first come out, they are often buggy or incomplete. I am wondering if Logos Now subscribers will be the bug-finders and testers when the new features first come out and those who get them later in Logos 7 may actually get a more stable version off-hand? This is, of course, if quality control does not improve as compared to what it was in versions 5 and 6. But Logos staff have told us they have taken to heart to improve their processes to address these problems, so...
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Francis said:
I am wondering if Logos Now subscribers will be the bug-finders and testers when the new features first come out
Those of us who have a subscription and "Set update channel to beta" will be bug-finders. Logos is committed to releasing a new .x version every six weeks. By this, individual updates contain less new features. This has led to less buggy releases—not bug-free, just less buggy [:D] The stable releases should then be relatively bug-free.
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We were promised special offers only available to subscribers, you would have thought that thye would have actually made some offers available to encourage us to keep the subscription, not to mention to encourage me to pay huge amounts for books I do not really need and will probably never read.
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Mike Pettit said:
We were promised special offers only available to subscribers, you would have thought that thye would have actually made some offers available to encourage us to keep the subscription
Agreed. I was disappointed not to have any during this first "evaluation" month. Makes it hard to know whether it's worth it.
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Mike Pettit said:
We were promised special offers only available to subscribers, you would have thought that thye would have actually made some offers available to encourage us to keep the subscription, not to mention to encourage me to pay huge amounts for books I do not really need and will probably never read.
Just a side-note but remember the Logos books are not necessarily purchased to read, but to reference.
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David Taylor Jr said:
Just a side-note but remember the Logos books are not necessarily purchased to read, but to reference.
Good to know. I have 22,485 books in my library. If I read a book each day it would take me over 61 years to finish them.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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I just got an email announcing access to some volumes of Lexham Bible Guides. I think it was Gen and Phil. Sounds like its for one month only, so its basically a free trial to get you hooked.
Master marketers!
Logos Now members will now enjoy month-long access to new and special resources. This month we’ve given you access to the High Definition Commentary: Philippians and Lexham Bible Guide: Genesis 1–11.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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That definitely makes it more attractive.Kevin A. Purcell said:I just got an email announcing access to some volumes of Lexham Bible Guides. I think it was Gen and Phil. Sounds like its for one month only, so its basically a free trial to get you hooked.
Master marketers!
Logos Now members will now enjoy month-long access to new and special resources. This month we’ve given you access to the High Definition Commentary: Philippians and Lexham Bible Guide: Genesis 1–11.
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I'm gonna cancel my subscription because nothin is happening at Logos web app, they didn't deliver ANYTHING close to $8.99 in the first-free-month and this upcoming month. It is PREMATURE release and unplanned well.
if you joined the first day, don't forget to cancel by tonight.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Logos Now members will now enjoy month-long access to new and special resources. This month we’ve given you access to the High Definition Commentary: Philippians and Lexham Bible Guide: Genesis 1–11.
Ah, now they're getting closer to what I'd be looking for in a subscription. I'm motivated enough to sign up for the free trial.
Author of the Chronological Word Truth Life Bible Series
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Since we launched Logos Now a month ago, we've added over 1,200 new items of media (author slides, Visual Copy slides, stock images, and much more).
We also just added a new membership benefit: month-long access to new and special resources. You'll be among the first to get access to new products we're creating in-house as well as special titles from our publishing partners. This will give you the chance to try before you buy.
The next release is just 2 weeks away (Monday, May 18), and it includes several new features and improvements.
- New Grammars guide section: we've organized your grammars by subject and classified Bible reference citations to help you find the most relevant discussions quickly
- New Greek Grammatical Constructions guide section: see at a glance the important grammatical constructions in your passage
- New Concordance features: analyze your Bibles by sense and biblical entity (i.e., person, place, thing).
- Logos Media Archive, vol. 2: over 400 items of new media
- BibleScreen Animations: a collection of animations of Bible passages
- Passage Guide on the web app
It may also include some additional books for the OT Propositional Bible Outlines.
We're also exploring a special benefit related to Bible Study Magazine.
Hang in there for a special deal. We'll have something out to subscribers during this next release cycle.
We have some other really cool things in store for the next couple of releases. Stay tuned!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We have some other really cool things in store for the next couple of releases. Stay tuned!
Thanks for the details on what has been added and what is coming in the near future. But my Mother would be disappointed if I didn't ask "Your cool or my cool?"
Seriously, I'm really enjoying the Commandments of the Law and the Concordance features.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Thanks for the details on what has been added and what is coming in the near future. But my Mother would be disappointed if I didn't ask "Your cool or my cool?"
Seriously, I'm really enjoying the Commandments of the Law and the Concordance features.
Since you're enjoying Concordance, I'm confident you'll enjoy the future releases. We've only just scratched the surface of all we have planned for Concordance (e.g., multiple new Concordance types, the ability to compare one reference range to another to identify key differences).
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Thanks, Phil, for the update, very much appreciated.
I don't think I can afford to subscribe ad infinitum, so I will have to wait for the next major release or, if I have a project that can capitalize on one of these features, I might rent it for a month. Meanwhile, I was a bit disappointed that it seems from what you wrote, that there won't be any special deal in this first month. May I suggest that you should make it happen for first-month testers? If you read the initial responses to Logos Now when it came out, this was one of the promised features that many (myself included) were really interested in. So, to conclude one's trial month and not have been able to taste it does not leave a good aftertaste.
Please do provide deals for first-month users. I would suggest that for those whose month is already expired and who are not renewing for now, a one-time "thank you for trying Logos Now email" be sent that includes some special offers that extend their experience and makes it more representative.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We have some other really cool things in store for the next couple of releases. Stay tuned!
Will there be some things also for Verbum Now subscribers?
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Super.Tramp said:
Good to know. I have 22,485 books in my library. If I read a book each day it would take me over 61 years to finish them.
Better get started ST [:D]
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I did laugh when I got the Logos Now email a couple of days after posting. $8.99 a month is just at that point where, for me, Logos Now needs to deliver value. Until I know the relationship between the Logos Now subscription and the cost of upgrading to THE NEXT BIG LOGOS THING I really can't assess the value of my monthly subscription. This question was asked early and often, but until there is some definitive answer ("there is no relationship", "we're thinking about it", "sure, the next release will take into consideration your Logos Now subscription") to the relationship between the investment in Logos Now and the upgrade cycle, I feel like I can't assess what is, for me, a question of wise use of limited resources.
BTW, I would have paid $9 a month to have early access to the Ancient Literature feature delivered in L6, and the feature sold a boatload of books as people scrambled to fill in gaps in their historical collections (I speak from personal experience). I don't see anything like this at present, though it sounds like the Concordance feature may have some upcoming similarities to the INFER command in a competing product. If so, it would be a great tool to explore intertextuality and might be in that league. I appreciate the work with the tagging of grammatical constructions and the grammars themselves, but would vastly prefer work on the search interface itself to more tagging and the currently fragmented search interfaces. Just my opinion. Upgrades to the search engine might be something that I'd pay for in Logos Now or a future offering. Perhaps the web interface will be an opportunity to unify and simplify the search functions?
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I just got an email announcing access to some volumes of Lexham Bible Guides. I think it was Gen and Phil. Sounds like its for one month only, so its basically a free trial to get you hooked.
Master marketers!
Logos Now members will now enjoy month-long access to new and special resources. This month we’ve given you access to the High Definition Commentary: Philippians and Lexham Bible Guide: Genesis 1–11.
I'm not finding this email. Was this offer made available to Verbum Now members as well?
[edit]: I think Steve might have been asking about the Logos Now/Verbum Now differences as well a few posts back.
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And bummer, in terms of value/incentive, I already own these resources, so it is not a benefit of having Logos Now for me though it may be for others. The point being that thought might need to be put into this kind of benefit so that it does prove to be a benefit indeed to those who subscribe. I would assume that those who have enough money to pay a fee every month would also have money to buy a lot of resources, ergo, offering access to a few resources is less likely to be a real benefit to a number of them. I am saying this as a suggestion to improve the terms of the offer.
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Could you favor us with the "specifics" of the "cool" stuff to come? It's not that we don't trust you guys, but rather it will give info on the personal value these unnamed/undefined features. And guide future "buys". Don't want to buy a product if it is planned for timely inclusion in NOW. It seems to me the sales folks are in a bind. How does one transition from buy to subscription. I suggest looking at your bottom line over a longer time period. Forget the current NOW. Develop a ...Gold Now, Silver Now, and so forth. Cease upgrades to Logos. Offer NOW types at basic subscription prices having full capability of Logosx. Adding new material will up the subscription rate. Current users are grandfathered in at no cost and retain their current recourses. Any new resource added invokes a subscription service only agreement at a nominal rate. Current user resources discount any buy causing a subscription rate increase if the resource is included in the buy.
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A great many of users would be highly against what you are suggesting, there are plenty of threads about it in the forum.apeiron said:Could you favor us with the "specifics" of the "cool" stuff to come? It's not that we don't trust you guys, but rather it will give info on the personal value these unnamed/undefined features. And guide future "buys". Don't want to buy a product if it is planned for timely inclusion in NOW. It seems to me the sales folks are in a bind. How does one transition from buy to subscription. I suggest looking at your bottom line over a longer time period. Forget the current NOW. Develop a ...Gold Now, Silver Now, and so forth. Cease upgrades to Logos. Offer NOW types at basic subscription prices having full capability of Logosx. Adding new material will up the subscription rate. Current users are grandfathered in at no cost and retain their current recourses. Any new resource added invokes a subscription service only agreement at a nominal rate. Current user resources discount any buy causing a subscription rate increase if the resource is included in the buy.
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It depends on the details of the structure. I could very well be against it myself! So, some specifics would help. With respect to the general proposal --- it was made with the conviction that more and more of any new features will require the subscription. And more and more resources will need NOW to get the full "available" potential out of the resource. The users will get taken advantage of both coming and going! If one has a large investment in resources they are a captive to whatever plan develops and will have to get onboard or the resource will slowly become obsolete.
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Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
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apeiron said:
It depends on the details of the structure.
For some people, yes. For many (most?), no. This subject has been discussed most extensively in the forums already.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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