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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 27 2015 4:24 PM

Tom Rach:
One of the books, will not say which,  is worth 25 dollars just for its historial (histerical) value!  Wink
Yeah! It would be a Great Disappointment to miss it Stick out tongue

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 27 2015 6:27 PM

I would think that $25 would be possible.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 27 2015 7:05 PM

Lynden Williams:
For some the value is another view point which is different from many commentaries

But what is that other point of view?  I am not familiar with these authors, do not know what views they take.  I would assume there is more than one view represented in these books.  At the moment I have over 50 commentaries from various viewpoints on Daniel.  I am having difficulty seeing a reason to bid more than $25 for these resources.  I even consider that high.  When one has so many books on the subject, I really need more understanding of these authors and their viewpoints that they represent to make a better judgment of their worth.  And I have plenty of resources suggesting the book was written in the 6th rather than 2nd century.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 4:39 AM

It's now down to $29. Smile

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 7:27 AM

Bruce Dunning:

It's now down to $29. Smile

Excellent! That's quite a remarkable drop from the $41 of a week ago Yes

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 9:03 AM

David Carter:

Bruce Dunning:

It's now down to $29. Smile

Excellent! That's quite a remarkable drop from the $41 of a week ago Yes

Still need people to bid or raise their bids to 29 dollars! Surprise

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 9:40 AM

Does not appear like I will get my question answered.  My bid remains at 25

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 9:44 AM

Mark:

Does not appear like I will get my question answered.  My bid remains at 25

For the work I do, there's not much value in these volumes for me. I am with you in what you said earlier about not being familiar with the authors. And even if I knew them, the contents of these books don't interest me much. I am glad there are others who are interested, though.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 10:09 AM

Tom Rach:

Still need people to bid or raise their bids to 29 dollars! Surprise

What I think many don't understand is, if the people who bid $27 would all raise their bids to $29 they would end up paying $27 or less.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 11:21 AM

Mark:
But what is that other point of view?  I am not familiar with these authors, do not know what views they take.  I would assume there is more than one view represented in these books

I know of three of them. Litch, Snow and Smith. They all believed that Daniel was written around the time when he said he ministered in the courts of Babylon and Medo/Persia.

They also give similar viewpoints on identifying the lamblike beast of Rev. 13,  with the United States among others. If you have Uriah Smiths commentary on Daniel and Revelation you can get an idea of where these authors are heading. Orrrrr, you could just purchase this set for a modern approach to the subject with the same foundation. https://www.logos.com/product/37737/daniel-and-revelation-committee-series 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 1:16 PM

Bruce Dunning:
What I think many don't understand is, if the people who bid $27 would all raise their bids to $29 they would end up paying $27 or less.

Not without other people bidding as well.

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 1:16 PM

Bruce Dunning:
What I think many don't understand is, if the people who bid $27 would all raise their bids to $29 they would end up paying $27 or less.

That is exactally what we have seen over and over!  

Friday at 12.00 noon the item will go to prepub, at least 50 dollars, and then at ever increasing price as it nears the time of shipping!  

Raise you bids now, before it is too late! Embarrassed

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 5:26 PM

I have not been convinced of the value of this set. My bid remains at $25

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 5:32 PM

Mark:

I have not been convinced of the value of this set. My bid remains at $25

If a lot of people like you who bid 25 would raise your bet to 27, it would go over the top at 27, if more people jump in there is a slim chance it would get down to you self imposed limit.  I would be kicking my self in the rear end if I missed out on the deal for a mere 2 dollars. 

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 28 2015 7:50 PM

Mark above has asked several times what of value is to be found in this collection on Daniel and Revelation.

Many of the volumes are of historical interest. Some of the authors have very interesting ties to denominations of today which interest me both historically and exegetically because they bring support to a particular interpretive school of prophecy. Some of these prophetic debates are still very much of interest today. I find it informative and fascinating to learn the basis for views different from my own, so I treasure such Bible study resources.

One of the authors on this list is David Nevins Lord. He was a prominent long time editor of a major prophetic journal in the nineteenth century. I learned of this author first in my reading of George N. H. Peters' valuable three-volume work, The Theocratic Kingdom, which is available at a very reasonable price as a Logos product.

Because of the interest piqued by Peters' references to Lord, I checked Google Books and laboriously downloaded the whole series of Lord's prophetic journal. It contains much material of interest today. It also includes insightful reviews of works on Bible prophecy and commentaries on the Book of Revelation and on Daniel published during the decades Lord's journal was published.

I have found in my experience of reading widely and deeply that many older authors have uncovered very helpful gems of Bible truth and understanding. The books may be old, viewpoints may have shifted far from some of the positions taken by these authors, but a valid argument based upon solid exegetical evidence carefully derived from the text of Scripture that follows the grammar of the original language is valid for all time. Age does nothing to diminish the force of a sound argument or exposition.

So, bid on these commentaries while the opportunity is still available is my advice. I bid on them some time ago at the original price of $41, and am pleased to see the price reduced. At this current even lower  price, there is no excuse for responsible students of Scripture to miss this resource.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 29 2015 4:22 AM

Jerome, you have come the closest to attempting to answer my question.  Let me be more specific.  Time is running out and I am quite surprised at the dancing people seem to do around the basic question I am asking.

Jerome Smith:
Some of the authors have very interesting ties to denominations of today which interest me both historically and exegetically because they bring support to a particular interpretive school of prophecy.

Which denominations are you speaking of?  I assume one is the Seventh Day Adventist.  Are there other denominations represented in this offering?

Jerome Smith:
One of the authors on this list is David Nevins Lord. He was a prominent long time editor of a major prophetic journal in the nineteenth century

Does anyone know what group he represented?  If he is quoted in the The Theocratic Kingdom, does that mean he would have a dispensational view?

Jerome Smith:
I have found in my experience of reading widely and deeply that many older authors have uncovered very helpful gems of Bible truth and understanding.

I agree with this, but I have already so many books on these topics from different viewpoints that I fail to see how these can be helpful to me.  In the making of books there is no end.  But with a large library which is harder and harder to manage, this set to me is still not even worth $25.

Jerome Smith:
At this current even lower  price, there is no excuse for responsible students of Scripture to miss this resource.

Really?  Why do you say that?  If there are 10 different offerings of this type, all for $25, that would equal $250.  At some point, responsible students need to draw the line...unless money is no object.

I hope to get more information before the hour passes, but I have asked sincerely so many times, I wonder what it is that is being hidden?  For those who know, can you please simply spell it out?

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 29 2015 7:19 AM

Mark, you've asked some good questions. I'm afraid I will not respond in time to help you further, but here is my answer (without writing a whole book in itself!).

As to the dancing around your basic question, I suspect that arises from a general lack of specific acquaintance with these authors on the part of many readers here.

As to denominations, you are correct that one of the authors in this set is important in Seventh Day Adventist history in America. Since I personally am most interested in learning more about Seventh Day Adventism (I just took the plunge and pre-ordered the SDA Platinum), this is a good item for me.

David Nevins Lord is indeed cited by Peters (some 63 times as cited in the index). As to having a dispensational view, that depends on just what you mean by dispensational. Neither Peters nor Lord speak of dispensations in the manner that Scofield does, that is, distinctly delineating seven of them. David Lord concentrates more on the study of symbols and their meaning or intent. I have read extensively in Lord's journal. The journal goes into areas of prophetic study I personally have not encountered to that depth elsewhere in my reading. I am therefore very interested in how he applies his principles to interpreting the book of Revelation.

The first citation or reference by Peters to David Lord is on page 63 of volume 1 of the Theocratic Kingdom, under his Observation 8 under Proposition 4, "While urging a literal interpretation, we are, as already intimated, equally opposed to that ultra-literalism which makes no allowance for the figures of speech incident to all language." He mentions Lord in footnote 1, which reads:  "The Literary and Theological Journal of D. N. Lord, while published, did good service in correcting such unjust representations, both in showing their groundlessness and in advocating the direct converse. To this journal the reader is referred for numerous examples of misrepresentations (like Spring's, etc.), corrected, for illustrations of the manner in which passages are explained by us and our opponents, and for the opinions of Duffield, McNeile, and others on this subject. Bickersteth's Guide, Brooke's Elements of Prophetic Interpretation, The Prophetic Times, etc., may also be consulted with advantage."

As to the upper limit of just how many books one should gather in our effort to better understand God's Word, that must be decided by each of us individually. My parents thought I had reached the limit and gone way overboard when they counted 84 books I had about the Bible as a teenager. My dad carried them all up  to the attic and said I should read more widely than just read about the Bible. I told him then that "I read more by accident than you do on purpose." A military man, he knocked me down on the basement floor at the time. No matter. What I told him then is still true today! In 1965 when I last counted my books I had 5000 reference books (not "devotional fluff") about the Bible. I was an electrician by trade, not a preacher. I later became an English teacher, as well as history, biology, and mathematics teacher—but not a pastor! I now have 1000 lineal feet of shelving (in the form of stair treads--I bought out the entire lumber yard supply in the whole Thumb of Michigan at the time!) for my print library, and all those shelves are brim full of blessings. I am glad I can get more books on my computer via my Logos Library. They don't require more shelf space.

In the past, when I bought more books in printed format, I usually read through the book before I bought it to make sure it would be of use to me. Now that I'm retired, I have the blessed privilege to read the books more thoroughly that I bought before. Many of them could not be purchased today. Each one has given me a bit of knowledge or insight which the Lord has often used to enable me to help someone else in spiritual and Biblical things.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 29 2015 7:36 AM

Thanks Jerome, that was helpful.  You have peeked my interest in Lord.  The only other in the set I found of interest was the book authored by Carl August Auberlen. So I upped my bid.  Thanks for taking the time to give help.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 29 2015 8:12 AM

Mark:
So I upped my bid.

That's great Mark. We just need a few more people to do the same over the next few hours and we can lower the price a bit more.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 29 2015 9:10 AM

Can someone tell me when does the bidding stop? And also, how does this work? Is it an automatic purchase for all of those who have bidded, and then it automatically downloads into your Logos?

This is what I bidded on - 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Daniel Upgrade (17 vols.)

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Revelation Upgrade (32 vols.)

Are they the right ones? Because these are the ones that I want.

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