Mac OS X El Capitan

As I am sitting here watching the WWDC on my AppleTV, I thought I would preempt some of the "Is L6 ready to run on El Capitan (the new version of OS X)?"

The answer is always something along the lines of "Faithlife doesn't support Logos on pre-release operating systems." For the adventurous, we would love to hear your experiences when El Capitan becomes available as a public beta, but as with all beta warnings, make sure you aren't using a production system (i.e. one you can't afford to be without for a period of time). Also, it is generally advised that you take a "wait and see" approach when the new OS does release.

With that aside: What El Capitan features are you most looking forward to? Which ones do you want to see compatible with Logos?

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mab

I saw something about split screen which sounds real good. Not sure how that is in practice but I really like the idea.

The other thing is that there are supposed to be performance improvements which surely will be welcome for those of us who aren't about to buy a new computer any time soon.

John Kight

I would like to see Logos tap into the speed improvements of El Captian! [:D]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734041#Comment_734041

I saw something about split screen which sounds real good. Not sure how that is in practice but I really like the idea.

This will be good for users who love full screen mode, but want to have a separate notes or writing app open at the same time.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734048#Comment_734048

Looks interesting. The os war is heating up. Microsoft is getting the jump start by launching in July.

Charles

but as with all beta warnings, make sure you aren't using a production system (i.e. one you can't afford to be without for a period of time).

Good advice from "alabama24". Here's what I do when testing a new version of OS X: I clone my system to a large enough external hard drive using software such as "Carbon Copy Cloner" or "SuperDuper" which will render the external hard drive bootable. I then download the beta to that hard drive and boot from it. That allows separation from your main system and does not require an additional Mac. I'm currently testing Mac Office 2016 using that method. Works well and does not endanger your primary working Mac.

The answer is always something along the lines of "Faithlife doesn't support Logos on pre-release operating systems.

That goes without saying, however, it would be nice if FaithLife concentrate on getting Logos 6 working right with Yosemite before worrying about El Capitan. [;)]

In Christ,

Charles

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734048#Comment_734048

I saw something about split screen which sounds real good. Not sure how that is in practice but I really like the idea.

This will be good for users who love full screen mode, but want to have a separate notes or writing app open at the same time.

That's perfect for me. I'll be chomping at the bit for this OS! [8-|]

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734124#Comment_734124

All I did was launch Logos 6 beta and it ran the same on 10.10 and 10.11. No noticeable difference. The Word 2016 Preview does not run well. Change text in any way other than plain vanilla and the page turned black so I'm back to using Pages until that gets fixed. If I see a problem I'll post for anyone who might want to try out the public beta coming next month.

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734124#Comment_734124

I'll be chomping at the bit for this OS!

I'd temper your expectations. The new features are minimal. El Capitan is a part of Yosemite and 10.11 is an extremely minor update to 10.10.

The speed increases are almost exclusively for programs that tap into the GPU rendering system. Not sure if Logos does or not.

On the iOS 9 side, being able to pin Logos to the edge and run mobile Word or Pages while I write my sermon will be nice.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734649#Comment_734649

I'd temper your expectations. The new features are minimal. El Capitan is a part of Yosemite and 10.11 is an extremely minor update to 10.10.

I think the name is stupid. I will have to come up with some other way of referring to it... I guess 10.11.

In the defense of the update, however... "Snow Leopard" was a similar release (mostly under the hood), but a great release. I love change, but sometimes it is good to catch your breath! [:)]

Levi Durfey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734655#Comment_734655

I am enjoying the "hide the menubar" feature. It's nice to gain any real estate on a 13" macbook. But mostly, I am looking forward to 10.11 being like Snow Leopard—a bug fix and performance focused release.

Charles

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734648#Comment_734648

The Word 2016 Preview does not run well. Change text in any way other than plain vanilla and the page turned black so I'm back to using Pages until that gets fixed.

I've been running the Mac 2016 Preview and have not experienced any glitches. I don't particularly like the new look MS has given it but it runs well with Yosemite 10.10.3 and Logos 6. No way that I will ever use Pages for sermon prep. [:O]

In Christ,

Charles

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734796#Comment_734796

One of the under the hood changes will be improved WiFi. Apple is ditching their clunker discoveryd and going back to what works. We should see it as soon as the latest iteration of Yosemite gets pushed out the door. It'll be in iOs 9 too.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734796#Comment_734796

I've been running the Mac 2016 Preview and have not experienced any glitches. I don't particularly like the new look MS has given it but it runs well with Yosemite 10.10.3 and Logos 6.

i <think> Kevin was implying Mac 2016 preview running on El Capitan, not Yosemite.

Charles

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/734876#Comment_734876

i <think> Kevin was implying Mac 2016 preview running on El Capitan, not Yosemite.

Thanks. I see that Kevin is currently beta testing "El Capitan". Hopefully, Mac Office 2016 will eventually run as well there as it does with Yosemite.

In Christ,

Charles

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/735006#Comment_735006

Hopefully, Mac Office 2016 will eventually run as well there as it does with Yosemite.

I'm sure it will by launch time.

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/735021#Comment_735021

Indeed I was referring to Word 2016 Preview running on 10.11 EC

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736283#Comment_736283

Kevin - Users can paste into Word 2011 (Mac) and have the bibliographic info auto inserted as a footnote. Is that true for 2016 as well?

Andrew Calvert

Logos will not open in El Capitan. Crashes before it loads. Here is the details:

/ removed verbose Apple logs /

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/748302#Comment_748302

Logos will not open in El Capitan. Crashes before it loads. Here is the details:

It is a (now) known issue that Logos doesnt run on El Capitan. If you need to use logos on that computer, you have two choices: Wait until an "El Capitan" compatible version is made available (on beta first, then stable), or to reinstall yosemite on your computer. Neither option is a good one. [:s]

As a reminder to you and others who might read this later: Faithlife does not support their applications running on beta operating systems. In other words, you are "on your own."

David Ames

I thought I would preempt some of the "Is L6 ready to run on El Capitan (the new version of OS X)?"

The answer is always something along the lines of "Faithlife doesn't support Logos on pre-release operating systems."

You might remember that I am a PC person But thanks for trying to warn MAC users.

[[In other words I will not install WIN 10 until I see many forum posts stating that it works with Logos]]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/748599#Comment_748599

In other words I will not install WIN 10 until I see many forum posts stating that it works with Logos

Well, it goes beyond that... In the case of El Capitan, it DID work until Apple made a change. Generally, there are a number of beta releases. In the subsequent releases, the developers will continue to add features and to fix bugs. For someone who isn't used to beta testing, it might make sense that "if it worked in beta 1, it should work in beta 2" but that isn't necessarily the case. For that matter, a "bug" fix could end up breaking compatibility with other software. It happens all the time.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/748606#Comment_748606

For someone who isn't used to beta testing, it might make sense that "if it worked in beta 1, it should work in beta 2" but that isn't necessarily the case. For that matter, a "bug" fix could end up breaking compatibility with other software. It happens all the time.

In a previous lifetime I have done white box [know the code], black box [know the specs] and beta testing [often customer supplied code that broke our old product]. All the early betas can be junk. And as alabama24 said avoid betas unless you really know what you are getting into.

Often the problem is that in the white box and black box testing they do not start over from the beginning but start from where the last test broke.

That is they take short cuts. If something breaks you are to re-do ALL of the test from scratch - all $1000 worth. Problem is that when there was only say $10 worth of testing to go when it broke management / bean counters only want to do the last $15 of testing. They say that if the first $990 is good why repeat it? The bean counters are not test engineers. I have seen a fix on step 990 fail retest in step 10. If we had restarted at test 980 we would have missed the NEW bug. After showing that happen a few times the been counters backed off. [[And changing the code changes your white box testing and might add bugs to your testing procedure that introduces false failures or skips testing something]]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/748676#Comment_748676

From macnn.com news (emphasis mine)

09:40 Apple released public betas of OS X 10.11 El Capitan and iOS 9, both of which are still very buggy but do offer a sneak peak at some of the new features. El Capitan and iOS 9 both seem faster to us, but that may be in part because there are a lot of apps -- and we mean a lot of apps -- that crash or freeze or otherwise don't work right, saving enormous amounts of time. One serious problem with 32-bit apps has since been patched, but there are still a lot of problems. Heed the warnings about beta software people, and put these on a spare machine unless you like pain, frustration, and lost data. We'd say these are only for the people who are serious about testing and reporting.

John Goodman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749034#Comment_749034

I'm still waiting for the release where apple makes it slower so we have time to appreciate its brilliance, heavier so that it feels expensive and thicker so it can be seen from the side[;)]

Cheryl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/748377#Comment_748377

Is this why my Logos 6 is running so terribly slowly on my macbook since the upgrade to El Capitan?

Are any other Logos users finding this problem or is it just me?

If there is a problem with Logos 6 running on El Capitan why did Faithlife not issue a warning? All suggestions and help welcome to make my Logos work at a reasonable speed again please

Thanks

Cheryl

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775342#Comment_775342

Are any other Logos users finding this problem or is it just me?

There aren't any known "El Capitan" specific issues. Please create a new thread in the L6 Forum. Please provide appropriate details (i.e. what is slow? What are you doing?) and logs. See the link in my signature line.

John Goodman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775347#Comment_775347

I was making a joke about apple. El Capitan makes logos faster on my machine. Noticeably so.