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Francis | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jun 16 2015 8:23 AM

... as suggested before by different people, implement the ability to allocate different resources to different readers (logos/vyrso/noet). I am interested in reading the stories of missionaries. I am not interested in them coming up when I do a search in Logos. I am interested in expanding my knowledge of classics; I am not interested in having Dom Juan show in my search results. Of course, some users may be interested in that, but others, like me, think that to acquire such book = cluttering their Logos library leading to the decision not to acquire such books = less business for FL.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 8:35 AM

When you say "readers" are you talking about desktop or mobile apps?

The Vyrso mobile app has a switch to allow only making visible Vyrso resources or those who have been downloaded to the app which could be the start of a move in this direction.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 8:52 AM

You can also use collections to accomplish this. Make a "Search Collection" whose rule is * -edition:ebook  (i.e., everything but Vyrso books) and then use that whenever you want to search your entire library (and not have novels and other Vyrso stuff show up).

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 8:52 AM

Because of certain terminology, I'm fairly confident that Francis is referring to the desktop applications. I second the motion!!!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 9:06 AM

Rosie Perera:
You can also use collections to accomplish this. Make a "Search Collection" whose rule is * -edition:ebook  (i.e., everything but Vyrso books) and then use that whenever you want to search your entire library (and not have novels and other Vyrso stuff show up).

The only problem with this way is that many of us have other resources in Vyrso that would be good to include when searching. Currently I think that the best way around this is to create a specific tag of books that you don't want included and use that rule.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 9:21 AM

Bruce Dunning:
The only problem with this way is that many of us have other resources in Vyrso that would be good to include when searching. Currently I think that the best way around this is to create a specific tag of books that you don't want included and use that rule.

I agree with you there, and all the more reason not to want Faithlife to try to automate this somehow by leaving out the Vyrso books or novels or whatever Francis doesn't want to have show up in his searches. Because his wishes of what to exclude will certainly differ from someone else's. That's why the collection solution (however each one of us defines that collection for our own purposes) is the better way to go. Personally, I hate having hits in RTA (Religious and Theological Abstracts) show up in my searches because it only frustrates me -- a brief summary of an article without the actual content. And if I have the actual article (in a Journal in my library), I'd rather see the hit there alone than see it also in the abstract of that article. So I have a "NOT RTA" collection. I also exclude Dictionaries from most of my searches, because if I'm searching for a term, I don't want to look up in a dictionary. If I wanted to do that, I'd use the "lookup" command.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 9:28 AM

Rosie Perera:
Personally, I hate having hits in RTA (Religious and Theological Abstracts) show up in my searches because it only frustrates me -- a brief summary of an article without the actual content. And if I have the actual article (in a Journal in my library), I'd rather see the hit there alone than see it also in the abstract of that article. So I have a "NOT RTA" collection.

Interesting. Although RTA can be frustrating at times I like having this in my searches where a brief summary may be helpful but the actual article is much preferred.

Rosie Perera:
I also exclude Dictionaries from most of my searches, because if I'm searching for a term, I don't want to look up in a dictionary. If I wanted to do that, I'd use the "lookup" command.

I like this. Interesting to consider. Rosie, I think I'd like to see your entire list of special collections some day as I believe I could learn much from this.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 9:43 AM

Yes, I mean the desktop but also mobile apps. No, I don't mean a prescriptive system that will take away all your freedom and make you prisonner of the system. I mean ability however and whether you choose to use it.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 9:53 AM

Nothing would have to "automated." What I've envisioned already, is the type of control already present for mobile within the desktop library. This would likely have to be in our account settings or online library somehow. 

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 2:37 PM

Would a smarter "hide" function get you where you want to go? So we could hide most Vyrso and Noet books in Logos, hide most Logos books in Noet, etc. so we could open Logos with a customized Scripture study library and Noet with a customized classics library? That might take a good bit of work on the part of the user, but once it was set up would be pretty slick.

i think someone has suggested having the ability to set up different "workspaces" in the past. That might be an even more flexible way to do it. I can imagine having an academic scripture workspace, a devotional workspace, a classics workspace, and a light reading workspace.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2015 3:40 PM

EastTN:
Would a smarter "hide" function get you where you want to go? So we could hide most Vyrso and Noet books in Logos, hide most Logos books in Noet, etc. so we could open Logos with a customized Scripture study library and Noet with a customized classics library?

A smarter Hide function would solve it from my perspective.

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Average Joe | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2015 6:20 AM

EastTN:

Would a smarter "hide" function get you where you want to go? So we could hide most Vyrso and Noet books in Logos, hide most Logos books in Noet, etc. so we could open Logos with a customized Scripture study library and Noet with a customized classics library? That might take a good bit of work on the part of the user, but once it was set up would be pretty slick.

i think someone has suggested having the ability to set up different "workspaces" in the past. That might be an even more flexible way to do it. I can imagine having an academic scripture workspace, a devotional workspace, a classics workspace, and a light reading workspace.

I never thought of it before, but now I really want Logos to be able to do this. Yes

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2015 2:01 AM

I am wondering if a web-based account-linked page similar in concept to documents.logos.com would be a good way to provide resource administration capability to users: hide, unhide, send to, etc. The ability to narrow by searches (as in webmail interfaces), then select all and apply such commands would go a long way in making many such tasks more convenient and less time consuming. This would not only be a way to do what I first suggested in this thread but also to alleviate some of the tediousness involved with how we hide and unhide resources in Logos.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2015 12:12 PM

Francis:

I am wondering if a web-based account-linked page similar in concept to documents.logos.com would be a good way to provide resource administration capability to users: hide, unhide, send to, etc. The ability to narrow by searches (as in webmail interfaces), then select all and apply such commands would go a long way in making many such tasks more convenient and less time consuming. This would not only be a way to do what I first suggested in this thread but also to alleviate some of the tediousness involved with how we hide and unhide resources in Logos.

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