ANNOUNCE: Faithlife ending Logos 5.2b support on September 21, 2015

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 6:51 AM

its worthwhile to upgrade to 7 - hear me out. this may sound daunting... but its good advice.

So right now you're running on an operating system approaching its end of life. XP is dead, vista will die in the next couple years. I forget the exact date, but its a matter of record. In the mean time iirc vista has left "supported" status, and is now "maintenance", which means you only get some of the updates (basically just the security ones, if you find something thats broken, or if you need an MS driver for something you are hosed (though manufacturers may still make drivers).

Further, and perhaps most importantly, if you upgrade to 7 (and your computer meets the requirements, and you do so within the next year) you will get a free upgrade to 10, which will be supported for some time yet as its brand new today.

your 70$ or 100$ or whatever a license costs these days will bring you three generations of opperating system newer. well worth it in my view; AND you'll be able to upgrade to the latest versions of Logos as well.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 10:16 AM

Colin Ware:
It will however mean I will have to review cancel existing pre-pub orders. No use buying if they wont work.

Most resources produced after September 21 will still work on 5.2b (and Vista). Only those that need the very latest resource features and data types will not be supported. When 4.6c became unsupported, I posted a short update (at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/80475/563257.aspx#563257) about the number of resources it couldn't read:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
[Update: The first resources that require Logos 5.2a or later shipped on May 16, 2014. As of June 1st, there are fewer than 200 resources that require 5.2a; the majority of resources still work on Logos 4.6c.]

You may wish to keep your prepub orders (to lock in the low pre-pub price) then return them only if they don't work in 5.2b.

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David J. Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 11:53 AM

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Windows lifecycle fact sheet  

Last updated: July 2015

Every Windows product has a lifecycle. The lifecycle begins when a product is released and ends when it's no longer supported. Knowing key dates in this lifecycle helps you make informed decisions about when to upgrade or make other changes to your software.     

          End of support        

End of support refers to the date when Microsoft no longer provides automatic fixes, updates, or online technical assistance. This is the time to make sure you have the latest available update or service pack installed. Without Microsoft support, you will no longer receive security updates that can help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software that can steal your personal information. For more information go to Microsoft Support Lifecycle.        

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 3:44 PM

abondservant:
Further, and perhaps most importantly, if you upgrade to 7 (and your computer meets the requirements, and you do so within the next year) you will get a free upgrade to 10, which will be supported for some time yet as its brand new today.

An upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 + IE11 should be possible and then you will know about eligibility for Win 10.

My five year old laptop is eligible for Win 10!

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 4:13 PM

I have IE7 on my current computer, but I almost never use it. I tried IE9 w/ the patch, but it seriously messed up the way notes work in L3. When my system blue screened and I had to reload everything, being able to go back to IE7 made it all worthwhile. I have some links in my IE Favorites that I may take the time to transfer to Chrome. My current computer is limping along and will need to be replaced eventually. I will probably get two new computers...one to run L3 and one to run current stuff. I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer, because I currently copy stuff from L5 into my L3 notes. Is there a way to get L5 on a new system so I can run it with L3?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 4:20 PM

David Paul:
Is there a way to get L5 on a new system so I can run it with L3?

Yes, and there will be for the foreseeable future: https://www.logos.com/support/logos5/install

You can still install L4, if you want: https://www.logos.com/support/logos4/install 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 5:08 PM

That's good to know. Thanks.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 5:40 PM

David Paul:
I will probably get two new computers...one to run L3 and one to run current stuff.

The question is whether you can get L3 to work on a new computer, unless you mean a refurbished system with Vista (and IE7/8) or Win 7 (and IE8)?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 7:38 PM

Dave Hooton:
unless you mean a refurbished system with Vista (and IE7/8)

Yes, I have 32 & 64-bit versions of Vista on disk. I will just install those with the included version of IE7 and use that as my L3 system & load L5 on, too, so I can have access to what's in my library since they stopped producing for L3. Bradley said above that a lot of stuff that is still coming out will work on L5 as long as the resource doesn't have special requirements. At some point, if I have L6 resources I want to include in my L3 notes, I guess I'll have to copy and email them to myself. C'est la vie.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 12:05 AM

David Paul:
I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer

When installed on a virtual machine LDLS (L3/Libronix) works very nicely alongside the most current Faithlife desktop applications. Finding a legitimate legacy Windows OS license can be difficult, but it's worth the effort and expense.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 7:28 AM

JAL:

David Paul:
I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer

When installed on a virtual machine LDLS (L3/Libronix) works very nicely alongside the most current Faithlife desktop applications. Finding a legitimate legacy Windows OS license can be difficult, but it's worth the effort and expense.

Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM. 

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Dennis Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 7:55 AM

I did get the Logos 6 Core and am quite happy that I finally see the Logos we were promised when Logos 4 was announced but logos is no longer my goto bible study tool I just use it for the resources I had invested in all these years when I need them. I lost faith in Logos or Faithlife to deliver on their promises. That's where I'm at but doesn't mean everyone else feels the same, I can only go after dangled carrots for so long before I get wise and realize I'll never get it and move on.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 8:29 AM

Mark Barnes:
Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM. 

I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM  programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.

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Dan Francis:

Mark Barnes:
Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM. 

I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM  programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.

I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 9:08 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)

I was. Thanks for the clarification.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 9:29 AM

Colin Ware:
As far as I know Microsoft are still supporting it. Not sure if it is a good idea to spend money on a new desktop to suit one particular software program. When Microsoft stop supporting Vista I may have to reconsider.

According to Microsoft, the "mainstream support" ended on "April 10, 2012." Sales ceased over 5 years ago.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 7:12 PM

David Paul:
Yes, I have 32 & 64-bit versions of Vista on disk. I will just install those with the included version of IE7 and use that as my L3 system & load L5 on, too, so I can have access to what's in my library since they stopped producing for L3

If you follow the suggestion to install a Virtual Machine for Vista on a brand new machine (Win 8.1/10) you can install Logos 6 and Import Notes coutesy of a shared folder e.g. create a \Documents\Libronix DLS\Annotations folder (or whatever the notes folder is called in Libronix) on the host OS and share it with a VM (e.g. Oracle VM VirtualBox) running Vista. Create your notes in Libronix, copy them to the shared Notes folder and then import them into Logos 6.

** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 31 2015 5:01 PM

Dave Hooton:
** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.
Yes

Dave's suggestion is a good one VirtualBox hasn't ever disappointed!

David Paul:
I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer, because I currently copy stuff from L5 into my L3 notes.

This is what I was responding to, David uses LDLS for notes and wants to be able to cut from resources only available in Logos6 and paste into his LDLS notes. As Dan has suggested most virtualization platforms include a mechanism to support cutting and pasting between the host OS and the virtualized OS - VirtualBox does.

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 31 2015 5:35 PM

abondservant:
Not sure why anyone with an adequate computer would stick with 5 over 6 any way.


Well, for me, I don't like the look of 6. Yes, it's similar to 5, but, just more annoying and more scrolling. At least for me. 

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Bryan S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 14 2015 9:41 AM

I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update. will i still get updates and will new books work?

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