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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Aug 5 2015 5:10 AM

Don't miss out on this resource. A few more bid should also lower the price.

https://www.logos.com/product/53342/five-books-of-st-irenaeus-against-heresies

Book Description on the webpage:

Open a window onto the Gnostic controversy facing the church in the second century with one of the only surviving sources on the subject. This, the most important work of St. Irenaeus, examines and refutes the Gnostic teachings, providing a valuable description of Gnosticism as well as an important Christian theological work.

Bishop of Lyon and a disciple of Polycarp, Irenaeus wrote Against Heresies in order to “shortly and clearly set forth the meaning of those who are now teaching amiss, I mean of Ptolemy and his partisans, which school is a kind of efflorescence from that of Valentinus . . . showing how monstrous their assertions are, and how inconsistent with the Truth.” This five-volume work is an important piece of patristic writing for anyone studying church history, Gnosticism, and the development of Christian theology

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Antonius | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 5:24 AM

Just to be clear here, for those who do not know...
Jesus teaches John, John teaches Polycarp, Polycarp teaches Irenaeus.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 5:33 AM

It's at $7.00 now, plenty of time for it to drop another dollar or two. 

https://www.logos.com/product/53342/five-books-of-st-irenaeus-against-heresies 

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 7:29 AM

How is this different than what is included in the Early Church Fathers Collection?

https://www.logos.com/product/5771/early-church-fathers-protestant-edition#001 

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 7:43 AM

I imagine that Logos will be able to generate a reading plan for this.  Logos will not automatically generate a reading plan for the entire volume 1 of the Early Church Fathers collection.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 7:48 AM

Everett Headley:

How is this different than what is included in the Early Church Fathers Collection?

https://www.logos.com/product/5771/early-church-fathers-protestant-edition#001 

A different translation, perhaps? Similar publication dates suggest not, though.

Edit:

Research indicates that the translators of the ECF volumes were Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, while the translator for this edition of Irenaeus was John Keble. Interestingly, the translators for this Logos edition are listed as Alexander Roberts and W. H. Rambaut.

Has anyone done a textual comparison to see if there are differences across the currently released Logos editions?

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 2:20 PM

Everett Headley:

How is this different than what is included in the Early Church Fathers Collection?

https://www.logos.com/product/5771/early-church-fathers-protestant-edition#001 

It's hard to imagine that there is any material difference.  1872 for the individual volume, 1885 for Roberts/Donaldson.  I'm sure there are some translation variances but ...

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 3:02 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Don't miss out on this resource. A few more bid should also lower the price.

https://www.logos.com/product/53342/five-books-of-st-irenaeus-against-heresies

Book Description on the webpage:

Open a window onto the Gnostic controversy facing the church in the second century with one of the only surviving sources on the subject. This, the most important work of St. Irenaeus, examines and refutes the Gnostic teachings, providing a valuable description of Gnosticism as well as an important Christian theological work.

Bishop of Lyon and a disciple of Polycarp, Irenaeus wrote Against Heresies in order to “shortly and clearly set forth the meaning of those who are now teaching amiss, I mean of Ptolemy and his partisans, which school is a kind of efflorescence from that of Valentinus . . . showing how monstrous their assertions are, and how inconsistent with the Truth.” This five-volume work is an important piece of patristic writing for anyone studying church history, Gnosticism, and the development of Christian theology



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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 3:20 PM

Ronald Quick:

It's at $7.00 now, plenty of time for it to drop another dollar or two. 

https://www.logos.com/product/53342/five-books-of-st-irenaeus-against-heresies 

Indeed!

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 5:33 PM

Here is a short comparison of the translations from Against Heresies Book 3; chapter 9

Keble:

This therefore being plainly shewn, (and it will be shewn yet more plainly,) That neither the Prophets, nor the Apostles, nor the Lord Christ in His own person, confessed any other Lord or God, but Him Who in the primary sense is God and Lord; the Prophets first and Apostles confessing the Father and the Son, but naming no other as God, nor confessing Him as Lord; and the Lord Himself after wards delivering to the Disciples the Father only as God and Lord, Him Who alone is God and Sovereign of all: — we, if at least we are His Disciples, must follow their statements, the tenor of which is as follows.

 

Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson:

This, therefore, having been clearly demonstrated here (and it shall yet be so still more clearly), that neither the prophets, nor the apostles, nor the Lord Christ in His own person, did acknowledge any other Lord or God, but the God and Lord supreme: the prophets and the apostles confessing the Father and the Son; but naming no other as God, and confessing no other as Lord: and the Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all;—it is incumbent on us to follow, if we are their disciples indeed, their testimonies to this effect.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 6:02 PM

I'm just going to stick with logosres:anf01;ref=Irenaeus.Adv._Haer._1,_Pref._1 

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 5 2015 9:45 PM

Thanks Tom, that comparison is very helpful. 

Both translations have a distinct 19th century feel to them, but I'd say the Roberts/Donaldson version is more readable. 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 6 2015 8:12 AM

Jacob Hantla:
I'm just going to stick with

Jacob,

Thanks for posting the comment on the product page; otherwise, I'd have paid twice for this. And y'all know what I'm like when I get grumpy.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 6 2015 12:22 PM

Only a few bids away from $6.00

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2015 5:32 AM

It's made it to $6.00.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2015 7:13 AM

Antonius:

Just to be clear here, for those who do not know...
Jesus teaches John, John teaches Polycarp, Polycarp teaches Irenaeus.

I am not sure that this is how we should measure the value of reading Irenaeus. John also taught Diotrephes, but he did not turn out too well. Paul trained Demas but he went after the world...

Beyond this, I am wondering if anyone could explain what is the interest of this product when one already has the Church fathers collection:

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2015 8:50 AM

Francis:
I am wondering if anyone could explain what is the interest of this product when one already has the Church fathers collection:

Right. See my earlier post. I almost paid twice for the (effective) same thing.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2015 8:53 AM

Francis, how many contemporary translations of the Bible do you have? More than one?

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2015 12:31 PM

Doc B:

Francis:
I am wondering if anyone could explain what is the interest of this product when one already has the Church fathers collection:

Right. See my earlier post. I almost paid twice for the (effective) same thing.

It would be interesting to do a translation comparison and see if the theological suasion of the translators leaked into their translation. Donaldson was likely very Calvinistic (studied at Aberdeen and the University of Berlin; tutored at Edinburgh University, professor again at Aberdeen, vice-chancellor at St. Andrews University, and wrote The Westminster Confession of Faith and the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England). We know that Keble was pretty much Anglo-Catholic.

But anyway, theological leanings aside, Keble's translation has occasional Greek and Latin textual notes in the margin of his translation, which'll probably be inserted as footnotes to the Logos edition, and he also provides suggestions for New Testament references where St. Ireneaus makes possible allusions or unattributed quotations.

In my Logos edition of Schaff/Donaldson's translation, I see the NT quotations, but after scanning the first ten or so pages, I don't see nearly as many notes on the Greek or Latin manuscripts or their translation.

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 13 2015 5:20 PM

"Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—" Irenaeus, Against Heresies

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