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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 5:59 PM

Charles McNeil:
Faithlife still comes out top with a dollar from approx.  2 1/2 million users per month times 12.

Alas... while we have more than 3 million registered users, the vast majority are zero-revenue users of our many free offerings, like the Faithlife Study Bible mobile app.

I appreciate the posts acknowledging our on-going costs for maintenance and support. I really am sympathetic to the people who feel like we're 'changing the deal' and 'deeply gutting' them. But that 'changed deal' goes both ways: when we started we sold a boxed software package via a retail channel; we never even knew who most customers were, and tech support in those days was (for almost every product) limited to 30 or 60 days.

You made a purchase, and most of the time we never heard from you at all -- and certainly didn't have to support you. Now we have to keep servers up, answer phone calls (surprisingly expensive) and release a free update to handle iOS 9 issues, the latest version of Android, Windows, Mac, etc.

It's changes for everybody, and we're just trying to navigate this space fairly and with an eye on survival, so we can be here to serve you in the future.

And, of course, we all have different ideas of what 'the basics' mean. (I was surprised to see a reference to improving printing support in this thread -- I don't print 10 pages a year now, and then usually just a contract that needs a signature!)

There are lots of good suggestions here, and we really are reading, discussing, and thinking about the various proposals. But we have limits of code, time, contracts, and complexity that will all play a factor.

My goal has always been to deliver more value at a lower price, and I think we've done that over and over and over for many years.

In some ways we're becoming victims of our success: the purchased software really does meet many peoples' needs very well. Many people don't want or need the new things that come in Logos 6. (You'd be amazed how many people are running Logos 4 and 5 still.) So they stop buying upgrades and sometimes even content -- they have more books than they can use -- but they still call us for support, still expect (demand!) updates to their mobile apps, and still use many server-dependent features, etc.

Sure, you can say we should 'price that future support into the purchase', but it's hard to do -- and the expectations are impossible to predict. (When we shipped Logos 4 we had no Android app or plans for one, but many Logos 4 users expect it as a free accessory to their desktop app. That wasn't priced into their purchase of Logos 4.)

I'm not trying to pick a fight or antagonize anyone -- especially not our best customers! We're just trying to find a plan that works and keeps us paying the bills.

(Serious question: Would you 'I have to own it' fans be okay if ownership really was completely transactional? You buy it, you get it as it is that moment. We disable server features, give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call, and you don't get feature upgrades or OS-related improvements to your mobile apps without paying an upgrade fee?)

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 7:20 PM

Sometimes I don't understand those people who complains about Logos Now that only costs $8/month. It is quite cheap regardless which features you use (or don't use) (plus the special perks). If you can afford a base package, I'm sure $8/month shouldn't be that much; specially if you live in western countries with a regular job. 

In fact, you're getting a better deal to subscribe to Logos Now now rather than when it was released on day 1 .. because you get more features than what they've offered on 1st day.

No?

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(alright, maybe LN can be cheaper, since I only use the (beta) Web App feature)☺

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 7:54 PM

Bob Pritchett:

(Serious question: Would you 'I have to own it' fans be okay if ownership really was completely transactional? You buy it, you get it as it is that moment. We disable server features, give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call, and you don't get feature upgrades or OS-related improvements to your mobile apps without paying an upgrade fee?)

Bob, please don't take this wrong, because it's really not intended to be a flip answer. As you said, that was pretty much the deal when many of us first purchased Logos. I think I've only called tech support once, and that was when I was having problems with the unlock key for my brand new Libronix package. (I could be misremembering, but it hasn't been much.) More recently community support through the forums has been plenty for me. It's also how most of my other software purchases work for me, and for most home users. I buy a new version of Office about as often as major upgrades of Logos come out. As a home user I don't buy a support contract. I suspect that similar experiences are driving a lot of the reactions you're getting. (Of course, if I were a paid minister who absolutely positively had to get three sermons written a week, a support contract might suddenly start looking like cheap insurance.)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 9:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6xBaZ92uA   (Don't ask what this has to do with the subject other than the fact that someone always seems to want something additional.

I think part of the problem is that Logos is tooooooo accommodating.   We're getting feature-itis.  Everyone seems to have some feature he would like to see implemented (some almost contradictory).  Yes, most of the features in Logos meet the user's needs quite nicely, and adding new features simply increases the cost of doing business.  When an OS changes or some new exigency arises, it might be time for an update to the program, but it seems that as soon as a new version is out of the box users are looking forward to the next one ("Sell me Logos 7 Today").

I remember when McDonald's started their empire.  We would drive over to McD's on our lunch hour from school and score some cheap burgers.  Today even the cheapest burger (Dollar Menu) costs several times what it did then.  That's simply a part of being in a society where costs continue to rise ($15 to flip burgers?  Are these people crazy?  It's a beginner's job not intended to support a family).  Has Logos ever considered reconsidering the prices for some older resources (i.e., ones that have been in the catalog the longest)?  They may need to have a price increase. 

There has been a time or two when I've run into a problem and would have gladly paid you (and not next Tuesday) for the help I received at the time.  Fortunately, when I say a time or two, that's about all.  Usually it wasn't a Logos problem at all though it manifested itself in Logos.  Some service charge might be an option to be considered on a case-by-case basis.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 10:08 PM

George Somsel:
That's simply a part of being in a society where costs continue to rise ($15 to flip burgers?  Are these people crazy?  It's a beginner's job not intended to support a family).  

You obviously don't have cousins in rural towns where a job at MacDonalds is considered a prime position because it is year-around not seasonal ... not quite as good as being a self-employed house cleaner but a good start. Yes, at 40 they'd scored a PUD job and and housecleaning business. You also obviously have not lived in a city where a room in a shared house costs $800-$1500 a month so that store managers have a second job if they want a roof over their head. Nor have you discovered that your clerk and her disabled husband are living in their car because they don't know where to go to get priority for rental assistance.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 10:17 PM

MJ. Smith:

George Somsel:
That's simply a part of being in a society where costs continue to rise ($15 to flip burgers?  Are these people crazy?  It's a beginner's job not intended to support a family).  

You obviously don't have cousins in rural towns where a job at MacDonalds is considered a prime position because it is year-around not seasonal ... not quite as good as being a self-employed house cleaner but a good start. Yes, at 40 they'd scored a PUD job and and housecleaning business. You also obviously have not lived in a city where a room in a shared house costs $800-$1500 a month so that store managers have a second job if they want a roof over their head. Nor have you discovered that your clerk and her disabled husband are living in their car because they don't know where to go to get priority for rental assistance.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about — been there, done that.  I was attempting to be non-political, but under the current administration I realize that this may be all that is available.  Wait until we get a new administration and that will change.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 10:25 PM

George Somsel:
You obviously don't know what you're talking about — been there, done that.  I was attempting to be non-political, but under the current administration I realize that this may be all that is available.  Wait until we get a new administration and that will change.

But I just moved out of one of the cities that implement a $15 minimum wage ... I agree that not all cities have such a high cost of living but I'd rather pay more for goods than increase my taxes to pay for the consequences. But I already knew that while we agree on many things, social politics is not one of them. And having seen children and grandchildren get married and out on their own, I know being on the bottom economically is far harder than when I started at $1.25 /hr.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 10:32 PM

MJ. Smith:

George Somsel:
You obviously don't know what you're talking about — been there, done that.  I was attempting to be non-political, but under the current administration I realize that this may be all that is available.  Wait until we get a new administration and that will change.

But I just moved out of one of the cities that implement a $15 minimum wage ... I agree that not all cities have such a high cost of living but I'd rather pay more for goods than increase my taxes to pay for the consequences. But I already knew that while we agree on many things, social politics is not one of them. And having seen children and grandchildren get married and out on their own, I know being on the bottom economically is far harder than when I started at $1.25 /hr.

Yes, times are tough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovndTa7hQDE).  Implicit in my comment was the realization that kids need jobs too just to get started in the job market.  When the expense of hiring a worker is too high, they go for more experienced help. 

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James Hudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 11:35 PM

Bob Pritchett:
(Serious question: Would you 'I have to own it' fans be okay if ownership really was completely transactional? You buy it, you get it as it is that moment. We disable server features, give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call, and you don't get feature upgrades or OS-related improvements to your mobile apps without paying an upgrade fee?)

As one of the 'I have to own it customers' here's my response:

1. First, dispel the myth and misunderstanding of some on this thread - I'm not asking for anything for free (In all my posts I offered to pay  - I'm asking for something that Logos doesn't (yet) offer! In other words a suggestion!!

2. Bob, you have it partially right. With the exception of disabling server features.... I see it this way (and I hope I can explain it clearly):

Everytime you offer a new feature in LN (I believe every 6 weeks or so), you also offer the feature for sale at a suitable cost which would enable that feature on Logos software for life. [This is in addition to giving/adding it for free to those who prefer to/ need to rent and pay their $9 pm for LN]

e.g. Concordance                    $200 (say)   or Free to 'Subscribers'

'Kings of Israel Interactive'      $100   or Free to 'Subscribers'

New Feature 17                      $200   or Free to 'Subscribers'

Those who pay up front will get to keep the feature they have paid for life (purchase model) [so you will need to carefully price each feature]

This model will allow some users to pick and choose features they want and those they don't, it will keep current LN renters happy (nothing changes for them), and will allow those of us who are willing to pay for the option to keep the features happy. It will also give you additional cash (and more than $9) every 6 weeks (at least from me!)

The feature set of purchasers and renters at any given time will be identical.

Think of it as a price for a 'lifetime susbscription' for the feature, if that helps you to understand it.

3. 

Bob Pritchett:
give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call,

I have never use / had the need to use 'phone Tech support. It seems you have a lot of calls though, so yes I think charging for support is a great idea to enable you to have more cashflow to help pay your bills. I'm sure those who think that customers shouldn't get things for free will all agree with me too!

Thanks for listening and considering different options.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 11:53 PM

MJ. Smith:

EastTN:
For what it's worth, I think some of the complexity comes from building the interface around the structure of the software system.  This shows up in a couple of ways.  I don't think the distinction between "documents," "guides," and "tools" is one that's immediately obvious to the new user.  For instance, why is "Passage Guide" under "Guides," but "Explorer" under "Tools"? Or "Topic Guide" under "Guides," but "Factbook" under "Tools"?  I understand that there's a different technical architecture powering the guides than is powering the tools, but it's a distinction that means nothing to the novice user.  Similarly, why is the "Atlas" a "tool" when we also have various atlases as resources in our library? Again, I get that there's an architecture difference, but the user who just wants to find a map showing where Megiddo is doesn't care.  For the casual user an interface that's organized around tasks rather than tools is more intuitive, because they know what they want to do better than they know the tools.

Very good example and concrete enough that I suspect Eli might be able to do something with it.

I agree these are great reflections, at least as starting points for consideration. I have also proposed redesigning the menus (here is that post for reference), with ideas that I think are complementary to these ones here. 

Apart from the menus, creating an "advanced search builder" that would allow you to construct complex searches using a combination of drop down menus, text boxes, buttons, etc. could go along way to helping to simplify what currently is the most difficult to learn, but also most powerful, tool in Logos & Verbum. Obviously users will still need to understand how the search works "behind the scenes" a bit to be able to construct them, but at least they wouldn't need to basically be able to write out something that looks a bit like a SQL string to be able to perform them.

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 1:43 AM

James Hudson:

Bob Pritchett:
(Serious question: Would you 'I have to own it' fans be okay if ownership really was completely transactional? You buy it, you get it as it is that moment. We disable server features, give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call, and you don't get feature upgrades or OS-related improvements to your mobile apps without paying an upgrade fee?)

As one of the 'I have to own it customers' here's my response:

1. First, dispel the myth and misunderstanding of some on this thread - I'm not asking for anything for free

I agree with you.  The phase "asking for anything for free", is a straw man raised by some.

I would say to Bob:

  1. Let those who want ot by Logos 7 or any other thing, FL is selling, let them buy it.
  2. If you are going to rent anything to anybody, give them access to everything, rent it all (I don't mean the current Cloud). If FL sells it, rent it too. This helps Faithlife generate the continuous income from millions and even new customers will be added from around the world.  It is better to get a little from a lot of people (contractually) for an unlimited period of time; than to get a lot, from a limited number of people (selling products) for a limited period of time. The latter, requires new products and/or new customers, marketing, etc.
  3. Have two divisions of Logos:  Selling and Renting
    1. People who buy, wants ownership and all that goes with it. They will have something to pass on to others. It's just like home ownership.
    2. People who rent, don't want the responsibility or can't afford ownership. They just want usage as long as they are able to pay. They will have nothing to pass on, when they stop paying, just like renting an apartment.
  4. I know people with large libraries don't want to hear this, but it's not a betrayal. It's adjusting to the times and the demands in light of needed expenses. Besides, Bob has the "right" and the "responsibility" to do what is legal and reasonable to make a profit, pay his bills (on time), and take care of his employees (so they can provide for their families).
  5. Faithlife can do both (sell and rent), if it chooses to do so. I think this company can "walk and chew gum at the same time". The more a company gives customers options, the more customers will come and tell others.  A developer can sell houses and provide rentals at the same time (e.g. ask Mr. Trump and others). So, Large library holders and long time users, don't tie Bob's hands. Let Bob, be Bob. Changes are coming to Logos. I am not a mouthpiece or a spokesperson for Bob. Just a voice of reason when a company with a rich product needs to generate new income, customers, and maintain long time users.
  6. No, I am not telling Bob what to do. Like most of you, I am making suggestions. An astute business man considers profitable and practical suggestions from non-MVPs, moderate size library holders, etc.
  7. Be a part of the solution, problems have more than it share of followers. Peace, to all the people!
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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 2:17 AM

James Hudson:

e.g. Concordance                    $200 (say)   or Free to 'Subscribers'

'Kings of Israel Interactive'      $100   or Free to 'Subscribers'

New Feature 17                      $200   or Free to 'Subscribers'

Those who pay up front will get to keep the feature they have paid for life (purchase model) [so you will need to carefully price each feature]

The problem with this idea — which otherwise I would support 100% — is that Logos has always promised that program updates will be free, pretty much for life. That makes it very difficult for them to charge for tools like the Concordance, without a backlash from users. So what they've been saying instead is that program updates will be free, but you may have to wait to get them for free (and in the meantime you can pay for early access).

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Mikael S | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 5:33 AM

Hi, Bob!

Thanks for asking for input regarding completely transactional ownership deals! I'll voice my opinion. Btw, I'm J Unix Cyklist, with my actual and active account I've posted 2020 times on the forums and have a very satisfactory library sans some language resources for which (and for several other things) I go to Accordance. This account I'm posting from now is merely my student email with $1.99 purchase which I will consolidate with my actual account (probably not until several years from now as I need to first give away the book from my actual account (bought with academic pricing) and then get it back when consolidating). I've stopped posting. So I only voice my opinion because these two points I make in this post, regarding non-online transactional datasets and a pdf manual are definitely my most important suggestions - I'd only have one other, small suggestion: the 2004 Good News Translation 3rd Edition UK-English 66-book Bible (there's no american equivalent of the specific newest Edition and it's popular in the UK).
Now that is a very interesting question You have since it brings up a point I once made in the Suggestions forum (with my actual account): next time Faithlife offers crossgrades (L7 and perhaps also V7 if possible) there should be options on most levels of crossgrades to get a crossgrade a little cheaper without any online databases/access to material! I'd also be equally satisfied if it were completely transactional and I would get datasets I'd otherwise preferably need to get through Logos Now or Verbum Now. The online options are the ones I use the least, if ever any of them and I'm certain I can do without them no matter what is going to come down the road - as I explain below download is not completely free for the end customer. Even if internet would be or would become cheaper or faster (for me for example) I'd still very much love an option without any of the online. But I do understand a few suggestion doesn't make it an obligation on Faithlife's part to offer, I'm just certain I will never ever upgrade to anything whatsoever if it won't be provided. Even a comparatively small discount thanks to accepting not getting the online databases will get me on board a deal as here specified/requested, though:

Bob Pritchett:

In some ways we're becoming victims of our success: the purchased software really does meet many peoples' needs very well. Many people don't want or need the new things that come in Logos 6. (You'd be amazed how many people are running Logos 4 and 5 still.) So they stop buying upgrades and sometimes even content -- they have more books than they can use -- but they still call us for support, still expect (demand!) updates to their mobile apps, and still use many server-dependent features, etc.

Sure, you can say we should 'price that future support into the purchase', but it's hard to do -- and the expectations are impossible to predict. (When we shipped Logos 4 we had no Android app or plans for one, but many Logos 4 users expect it as a free accessory to their desktop app. That wasn't priced into their purchase of Logos 4.)

I'm not trying to pick a fight or antagonize anyone -- especially not our best customers! We're just trying to find a plan that works and keeps us paying the bills.

(Serious question: Would you 'I have to own it' fans be okay if ownership really was completely transactional? You buy it, you get it as it is that moment. We disable server features, give 30 days tech support and then start charging $10/call, and you don't get feature upgrades or OS-related improvements to your mobile apps without paying an upgrade fee?)


Yes I would really like a pdf manual (posted with my actual account about that in the main thread asking for print manuals), I will print and bind it myself - that's more environmentally friendly and less hassle for You since You don't need to physically ship anything - and it really isn't difficult to bind it. But I refuse to put Weeks into collating a manual myself (yes there's a lot of material online). Monitor real-estate is expensive in laptops (I'm against most intelligent handheld mobile devices especially because of the rare earth minerals in the displays of them), as well as mobile broadband: I have a beneficial 3rd generation (3G) mobile broadband (900 and 1800 MHz) subscription (actually two of them) - it's OK and it would currently be much too expensive and with too limited geographical area coverage as 4th generation (4G), additionally mainly for hiking purposes and perhaps some odd very rural or tunnel distances to sometimes travel at high speed, I'll be getting a digitized 1G 450 MHz broadband developed first as Nordisk Mobiltelefoni (when it was analog it was referred to as NMT450 and available mostly in Northern Europe but not the UK), nowadays the company is net1 and the infrastructure provided by Teracom https://www.teracom.se/About-Teracom/ - the space for sending and receiving is merely 5 MHz, it's not intended for the use of everyone or in the cities, except that some "911" forces may also to some extent rely on Teracom infrastructure which is why it's not going to be depreciated, probably ever, building a replacement network would be expensive and groups such as fire fighters and any other can subscribe to priority, for an added fee. It's not a must - if money is tight I won't be getting that at least not this year and it does look like money is going to be very tight for me in the first half of the year 2016. Why have multiple old laptops and one laptop with AMD's very best mobile CPU (at least according to a somewhat recent statement and cpubenchmark.net a couple of Weeks ago) and not any mobile broadband? Since optical fibre is cheaper it's an option for me to consider or complement with but despite that there are several rental apartment buildings in my block with 8 family apartments at almost every floor and 16 floors altogether, and no villas close, there's (still?) no optical fibre about anywhere in these blocks and still no plans for any fibre!:

Bob Pritchett:
And, of course, we all have different ideas of what 'the basics' mean. (I was surprised to see a reference to improving printing support in this thread -- I don't print 10 pages a year now, and then usually just a contract that needs a signature!)

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 5:42 AM

George Somsel:
Today even the cheapest burger (Dollar Menu) costs several times what it did then.  That's simply a part of ($15 to flip burgers?  Are these people crazy?  It's a beginner's job not intended to support a family).  

 

Let me say before the self appointed Forum monitor/police shows up:

George,

Where is your compassion? You acknowledged that, "being in a society where costs continue to rise", but why do you think this applies only to Burgers and Bible Software and not salaries? Why do you think it's crazy to pay $ 15 an hour for "a beginner's job?" Do you not know:

  1. Many people in those "beginner's job" positions are women (widows & single parents), college students, adults between jobs, retirees, young adults trying to stay straight (away from drugs & gangs).
  2. Utility companies, car dealers, clothing stores, food stores, apartment owners, gas stations, traffic court, credit card companies, sale taxes on purchases, toll roads, and repairpersons don't ask what level of worker you are at your place of employment when it comes to paying. Even Faithlife, doesn’t ask customers what level they are on their job when one purchases Logos Bible Software. The only Question is: Check or credit card?
  3. If more employers were considerate of its employees, there will be no need for the government to set and enforce minimal wages. Thank God for Bob, at Faithlife. He takes care of his employees, no walkouts or strikes there.
  4. A man is worthy of his hired--Just a reminder:
    1. 14 “You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether one of your brethren or one of the aliens who is in your land within your gates.[1]
    2. 13 ‘You shall not cheat your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of him who is hired shall not remain with you all night until morning.[2]


[1] The New King James Version. (1982). (Dt 24:14). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[2] The New King James Version. (1982). (Le 19:13). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 6:05 AM

Mike Barnes:
The problem with this idea — which otherwise I would support 100% — is that Logos has always promised that program updates will be free, pretty much for life. That makes it very difficult for them to charge for tools like the Concordance, without a backlash from users. So what they've been saying instead is that program updates will be free, but you may have to wait to get them for free (and in the meantime you can pay for early access).

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would want a concordance in Logos.  If you want to find all instances "gumball" in biblical text (or any other text), all you need to do is run a search.  Or … you can run a lemma search specifying the particular form if you want a particular form.  In other words, WHO NEEDS IT?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 6:19 AM

Charles McNeil:
Where is your compassion? You acknowledged that, "being in a society where costs continue to rise", but why do you think this applies only to Burgers and Bible Software and not salaries? Why do you think it's crazy to pay $ 15 an hour for "a beginner's job?" Do you not know:

Back atcha.  

(1) Where is your compassion?  Do you think that young people should be frozen out of the labor market because they lack the requisite skills to be worth paying a higher salary?  Do you not know that when you raise the price of producing products or services that the cost to the end-user increases?  Now that a hamburger costs 50¢ more and product x costs 75¢ more and product y costs $1.00 more, etc., etc., what has been gained?  All you have done is require that the buyer and seller be able to count to a higher figure.  Additionally, workers not directly affected by an increase in minimum wage are going to want more since they are surely more skilled than those filling entry positions. ALL PRICES RISE so that the status is the same except at a higher level.

(2) Who nominated the government to arbitrate what is fair and compassionate?  Jesus never told the Governor of Judea to help the poor.  He never told the Roman Emperor to help the poor.  He told HIS FOLLOWERS to be compassionate.  It is our duty as followers of Christ to show compassion to those around us.  Go thou and do likewise.  Don't try to slough off your duty onto the government.  Government does a poor job of showing compassion.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 6:35 AM

George Somsel:
 If you want to find all instances "gumball" in biblical text (or any other text), all you need to do is run a search.  Or … you can run a lemma search specifying the particular form if you want a particular form.  In other words, WHO NEEDS IT?

But the Concordance does more than that

It allows you to easily see where the resource you are looking cites other literature

References it makes to other literature

Where words only occur once (or different number of occurrences) filtered in various ways

and so forth

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 7:10 AM

James Hudson:
It seems you have a lot of calls though, so yes I think charging for support is a great idea to enable you to have more cashflow to help pay your bills. I'm sure those who think that customers shouldn't get things for free will all agree with me too!

I agree.

I also think you Bob should charge for mobile app features.

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 7:42 AM

Super.Tramp:

I also think you Bob should charge for mobile app features.

I understand paying a fee initially for an ios app, for instance.  And then some apps have "in-app" purchases which turn on certain features if the user wants them.  Is this what you are getting at, S. T., when you say "charge for mobile app features"?  Trying to understand what you meant.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 8:07 AM

Juanita:

Super.Tramp:

I also think you Bob should charge for mobile app features.

I understand paying a fee initially for an ios app, for instance.  And then some apps have "in-app" purchases which turn on certain features if the user wants them.  Is this what you are getting at, S. T., when you say "charge for mobile app features"?  Trying to understand what you meant.

Yes, free app and then paying for the premium features.  I could have said it better. Thank you for helping me clarify it.

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