New feature: Exegetical Guide

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 20 2015 10:38 AM

We've just deployed an early version of the Exegetical Guide to the Logos/Verbum Web App.

This release contains the Word by Word section with text from the Lexham English Bible Reverse Interlinear.

Currently, we display the original words, glosses, morphology, and links to your lexicons.

Your feedback will help us determine the order in which we implement the remaining Exegetical Guide features, which will be shipped as they are completed.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 11:06 AM

Thanks for continued progress.

Are you focussing on improving this section of the guide next, or adding new sections?

If the former, the features I miss most in this implementation of this section of the guide:

  1. The English text at the top of the section
  2. The ability to choose Bible version
  3. The ability to limit to lemmas under a particular number of occurrences.

If the latter, I'd like to see the Textual Variants section next.

BTW, I think it would be better to load more than three leixcons at a time. I think it should be at least 5.

There also seems to be a bug in that not all lexicons are listed. DBL, TDNT, EDNT are obvious ones that are missing in action.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:07 PM

Mark Barnes:
Are you focussing on improving this section of the guide next, or adding new sections?

We will most likely focus on improving this section before we move onto the others—but that plan is subject to change based on the feedback we get.

Mark Barnes:
BTW, I think it would be better to load more than three lexicons at a time. I think it should be at least 5.

The choice of three is based on the current behavior of the desktop. We will, however, remove the requirement to keep clicking the "more" link by showing all resources after the first click.

Mark Barnes:
There also seems to be a bug in that not all lexicons are listed. DBL, TDNT, EDNT are obvious ones that are missing in action.

Is it possible that these are present, but lower in the list? The section does not yet support resource priorities.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:14 PM

David Mitchell:

Mark Barnes:
BTW, I think it would be better to load more than three lexicons at a time. I think it should be at least 5.

The choice of three is based on the current behavior of the desktop. We will, however, remove the requirement to keep clicking the "more" link by showing all resources after the first click.

It was the multi-clicking that was most annoying, so that will be fine.

David Mitchell:

Mark Barnes:
There also seems to be a bug in that not all lexicons are listed. DBL, TDNT, EDNT are obvious ones that are missing in action.

Is it possible that these are present, but lower in the list? The section does not yet support resource priorities.

Yes, you're quite right. I was confused because most of my prioritisation obviously matches the default, so it looked as though they were missing.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:27 PM

David Mitchell:
Your feedback will help us determine the order in which we implement the remaining Exegetical Guide features, which will be shipped as they are completed.

Based on this early look I'd encourage you to push on with this guide. I ran a sample on Genesis 1 and it generated very quickly.

What Hebrew and Greek texts are used for the guide? Will I eventually be able to choose a text?

I hope you will provide View Settings in a further release.

It will be nice when prioritization is supported, but opening all the lexicons with a single click will help.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:29 PM

Mark Smith:
What Hebrew and Greek texts are used for the guide? Will I eventually be able to choose a text?

It comes from the text associated with the Lexham English Bible's Reverse Interlinear (I'm not sure offhand which texts those are). The ability to choose a resource is planned.

Mark Smith:
I hope you will provide View Settings in a further release.

Planned—at some point.

Mark Smith:
opening all the lexicons with a single click will help.

Done. (go try it out!)

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 6:26 AM

I would definitely like to see the rest of the word by word section finished first.  But I'm keenly interested in launching Bible Word Studies from the guide.  Of course this means implementing BWS so....

After that word by word section, please focus on the Textual variants section.  Grammars would be nice as well but only second to the textual variants.  

To Summarize

  1. Finish Word by Word
  2. Textual Variants section
  3. Grammars
  4. Implement BWS.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 6:27 AM

David Mitchell:

Mark Smith:
opening all the lexicons with a single click will help.

Done. (go try it out!)

Wait... do you mean one click on each one to open one at a time?  Or do you mean I can click somewhere and pop them all open?  

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 6:38 AM

TCBlack:
Wait... do you mean one click on each one to open one at a time?

There is a 'more' button at the end of the initial list of lexicons. Click on 'more' and all the remaining lexicons appear. (Upon release the more button opened another short list of lexicons with a fresh more button below. Now we click once instead of multiple times to see the whole list.)

Thanks, David!

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 6:56 AM

Ah, I guess I only noticed the "after".  

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

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Seth Copeland | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 1:18 PM

Mark Barnes:

If the former, the features I miss most in this implementation of this section of the guide:

  1. The English text at the top of the section



This should now be available. More to come soon!

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Anthony Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 4:37 PM

Thanks for this update. The web app is the main reason I subscribe to Logos Now, so the more features the better.  

I echo the others when it comes to the extra support.  I really like the grammars section.

Also, I was really impressed with its speed.  I know it's not generating as much info as the software, but it was still nice to see that it was quick. Great work.

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Seth Copeland | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2015 9:34 PM

Just added another update to have sympathetic highlighting between the translated text and the original language text.

Clicking on a word will scroll to that word with more info.

-Seth

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2015 5:48 AM

Seth Copeland:

Just added another update to have sympathetic highlighting between the translated text and the original language text.

Clicking on a word will scroll to that word with more info.

-Seth

Works as advertised here.  Thanks for the updates!  Even more so since I'm on my Chromebook this morning. :-)

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Seth Copeland | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 26 2015 9:15 PM

Shipped another update to the word by word section bringing it closer to parity with Logos Desktop.

The translated text verse should be shown next to each individual lemma, with the corresponding translated word of the verse made bold.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 27 2015 1:38 AM

Seth Copeland:

Shipped another update to the word by word section bringing it closer to parity with Logos Desktop.

The translated text verse should be shown next to each individual lemma, with the corresponding translated word of the verse made bold.

Thanks - that makes it much more helpful for me.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 2 2015 10:08 AM

I just tried using the Exegetical Guide and it would not work. I typed a passage into the reference box and hit Enter and nothing happened. I tried it in Firefox and Edge.

Is the server offline?

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 2 2015 10:12 AM

Mark Smith:

I just tried using the Exegetical Guide and it would not work. I typed a passage into the reference box and hit Enter and nothing happened. I tried it in Firefox and Edge.

Is the server offline?

I can confirm that pressing Enter does not work—however, the report will generate if you select one of the autocomplete options.

We'll get this fixed soon.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 2 2015 10:14 AM

Mark Smith:
I just tried using the Exegetical Guide and it would not work. I typed a passage into the reference box and hit Enter and nothing happened. I tried it in Firefox and Edge.

You have to select the suggestion from the dropdown menu. Then press Enter.

That said, I am seeing some errors. For example Revelation 9:12 is giving a server error at the moment.

Remote Address:192.58.0.220:443
Request URL:https://app.logos.com/guides/exegetical/bible%2Besv.87.9.12?contentType=html
Request Method:GET
Status Code:500 Internal Server Error
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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 2 2015 12:51 PM

Mark Barnes:
You have to select the suggestion from the dropdown menu. Then press Enter.

I actually was doing that but failed to make that clear. I just tried it again (John 1:1-4) and it did not work.

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