Replace with Passage MAC - Still waiting

Rino M. Dattilo

Still waiting for the repair / fix for replace with passage on Mac.

This feature will allow you to highlight a passage in Pages / activate the service menu replace with passage will paste in that passage. When you activate it now, it will bring Logos to the forefront then get stuck for about 60-90 seconds.

It has been a long time and every Logos beta we get I hope and pray for a fix.

OS X.11 GM / Logos 6.6.0.0056

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769674#Comment_769674

Hope this helps

8551.services.txt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769677#Comment_769677

Thank you everyone for the services files; they all look correct. If you can run the following from Terminal and attach the resulting logos.txt file from your desktop, it would be appreciated?

mdfind "kMDItemCFBundleIdentifier == 'com.logos.Logos' || kMDItemCFBundleIdentifier == 'com.faithlife.LogosLauncher'" > ~/Desktop/logos.txt

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769731#Comment_769731

ROUND #2 - 1348.logos.txt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769731#Comment_769731

points to Logos.app..3404.logos.txt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769731#Comment_769731

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769826#Comment_769826

all
is
quite
today
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excited that we might finally have a fix.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/770096#Comment_770096

all

is

quite

today

excited that we might finally have a fix.

Quiet so!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769731#Comment_769731

If you can run the following from Terminal and attach the resulting logos.txt file from your desktop, it would be appreciated?

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/770149#Comment_770149

Calling Martin Potter ....... Any news with our reports?

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769731#Comment_769731

Trying to keep this on top

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/770440#Comment_770440

Calling Martin Potter ....... Any news with our reports?

It looks like there is an issue with the Copy Bible Verses service that is unrelated to your issue that will be fixed in an future update.

Unfortunately, I do not have an update on your issue at this time. The dump of the services and the find command show what I would expect and the Replace with Passage service should be working given that information, but based on the logs, for some reason it is still attempting to launch something other than the application.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771561#Comment_771561

Martin,

First, thank you for working on this and please keep it up

Just a question and I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Why is the Logos folder in the /library/applicationsupport still say Logos 4?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771576#Comment_771576

Just a question and I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Why is the Logos folder in the /library/applicationsupport still say Logos 4?

On Mac it will always be Logos4. On Windows this was switch to just Logos with Logos 5 if you did not have a copy of Logos 4 previously installed, but we do not have an installer on Mac, which is what sets the install location.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771576#Comment_771576

Why is the Logos folder in the /library/applicationsupport still say Logos 4?

Martin didn't answer this question directly, but the answer is long and technical. They <should> have simply gone with "Logos" in the beginning, but by the time the issue was caught, it was too late... so we will be stuck with a folder named "Logos 4" for the foreseeable future. Not really a big issue, but kinda annoying. [:P]

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771604#Comment_771604

Thank BAMA24!

Now to pray that they will find the service issue. It was working for me in Logos 6.4 and Yosemite, but even on my clean install on a new Macbook I cannot get it to work. Already addressed in this post but anyway, Logos4 it is.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771607#Comment_771607

Rino,

I may have found a way around until this is resolved. If you type in the passage, then hit the return key, then go back up to the passage, highlight the passage and go to services and replace text works for me. Maybe it will work for you.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771631#Comment_771631

Lewis! You had me happy for a moment but alas, it did not work for me. Thank you though!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771641#Comment_771641

Rino,

I'm sorry it didn't work for you. Hopefully they will soon get this fixed!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771641#Comment_771641

Lewis! You had me happy for a moment but alas, it did not work for me. Thank you though!

Can you please enable logging, start Logos, select some text in your favorite word processor (or TextEdit) and try the "Replace with Passage" service. After it fails, can you please collect your logs with the Logging Utility and attach them? I would like to verify that your issue is the same as the logs statements that were posted earlier.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771650#Comment_771650

Martin I followed your directions and here is the file. Now the logging utility kept telling me I needed to restart logos. I did the terminal command and I did get "1" telling me it was enabled. So I hope this worked.

3058.LogosLogs.rinodattilo.20151012-171009.zip

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771658#Comment_771658

Martin I followed your directions and here is the file. Now the logging utility kept telling me I needed to restart logos. I did the terminal command and I did get "1" telling me it was enabled. So I hope this worked.

Yes, you did it correctly; the restart message will show if Logos is running when you run the Logging Utility since you must restart if you change the enabled setting and it can't currently query what the value was when Logos was started.

Looking at your logs, it appears that you are running the Beta of 10.11 (10.11.1) which as Steve noted earlier seems to have problems with services. In your Console log, you will notice it is filled with tons of these internal service exceptions:

2015-10-12 17:09:49 Rinos-MacBook SandboxedServiceRunner[675] <Error>: assertion failed: 15B30a: libxpc.dylib + 23599 [3E09C275-A33B-357A-B0AB-A2DDF88EC9D5]: 0x13

Hopefully they will fix what they broke with the 10.11.1 Betas before it goes stable, or if it was an intentional change, they will document what changes need to be made to our service advertising.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771754#Comment_771754

Martin,

The only reason I put the bet of 10.11 on was to see if it fixed the issue. I have never had success with anything past Logos 6.4 and Mac 10.11.

Just FYI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/771907#Comment_771907

The only reason I put the bet of 10.11 on was to see if it fixed the issue. I have never had success with anything past Logos 6.4 and Mac 10.11.

I was responding to the logs you had posted, rather than leaving it with no response. Unfortunately, having installed the 10.11.1 beta, I can no longer tell why you were having the issue previously since it does not work at all and fills your logs with the exceptions that I posted.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/772110#Comment_772110

Thanks for that Martin - when we go golden on both builds lets see then?

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/772112#Comment_772112

Martin, just FYI no luck on the latest beta build from Apple.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/772656#Comment_772656

Martin, just FYI no luck on the latest beta build from Apple.

Confirmed. :-(

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/772707#Comment_772707

O MY! I think its working!! Martin, can you update us. When I first invoked it, it asked for word services.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/773990#Comment_773990

O MY! I think you're wrong - same old same old for me.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774005#Comment_774005

Mike,

I updated to the latest build of 10.11.1 (GM) and then Logos beta.4. Now the service reads different. Does yours say, (logos)?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774072#Comment_774072

O MY! I think its working!! Martin, can you update us. When I first invoked it, it asked for word services.

Yes, we made changes to the services in Beta 4 to try to work around Apple's service lookup and our application. It appears that although the service is registered with our application and everything looks correct, instead of connecting to the service of the running application or the one listed in the services dump that you provided it appear that Apple is simply looking for the first application it finds with the name Logos. Unfortunately, it also appears that they find the launcher application inside our application first before the actual application. This is also why completely removing Logos and installing Verbum causes the "Replace with Passage" service to work as it was incorrectly advertising its service port with a name other than Verbum.

I updated to the latest build of 10.11.1 (GM) and then Logos beta.4. Now the service reads different. Does yours say, (logos)?

The service labels were also changed for Beta 4 to read "Replace with Passage (Logos/Verbum)" and "Open Copy Bible Verses (Logos/Verbum)".

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774005#Comment_774005

O MY! I think you're wrong - same old same old for me.

If after you have run Beta 4, your service menu does not say "Replace with Passage (Logos)" as Rino posted, you should be able to log out and log back in to your Mac and the OS will update the available services.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774072#Comment_774072

No - mine doesn't say (Logos) AND it still doesn't work - still switching over to logos and doing nothing for a minute plus -- and then returning to Word.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774097#Comment_774097

SO - how do I install the new Beta ?

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774098#Comment_774098

Hugh,

Follow this link

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/52967.aspx

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774098#Comment_774098

SO - how do I install the new Beta ?

Rino - A space needed to be added after pasting a hyperlink: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/52967.aspx

Make sure to read the warnings. Beta testing isn't intended to let users gain early access to cool new features, or even to fix bugs for them. The purpose is to test the application. Sometimes things go wrong. Really wrong. If you only have one machine and need your installation for work, it is advised that you DON'T participate in beta. Make sure to read all the warnings. If you have time, inclination, and would like to help make the app better, please join the beta! [:)]

Also: you should make sure to change channels back to stable once the testing round is over unless you intend to continue beta testing. Some users (including myself) will go back to stable and wait for several rounds of betas before rejoining. Later builds are not guaranteed to be more stable (sometimes they aren't!), but most of the time it is safer.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774112#Comment_774112

Thanks to both of you. I did read all of it, especially the warnings and 'heads up'... at this point will wait for it to trickle down to the stable release. While not as elegant in format capabilities, the services function works steadily in Accordance... just sayin'

Hugh

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774169#Comment_774169

Hugh,

I am just curious of what format capabilities is better in Logos? I think Accordance is much better in that. It matches destination formatting and you can tell it how to paste (i.e.. paragraph, verse by verse)

I wish we could have morphed it all into one. Logos was a gift to me. Accordance is what I used for the longest time. They are both amazing - but I really needed Logos to work on the computer I have it on.

By the way, the beta 4 is really stable - just saying.

R

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774179#Comment_774179

By the way, the beta 4 is really stable - just saying.

Pride cometh before the fall. [:)]

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774180#Comment_774180

common "tide" [H]

That was a good one!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774179#Comment_774179

Well, probably what is deficient is my knowledge of Accordance. I just got it last month in order to have something that would insert the verses. If you have time / inclination - point me to how to change the formatting of the inserted text.. great appreciate your posts.
Hugh

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774218#Comment_774218

Hugh,

Accordance will allow you to change the formatting in the preferences under Citation. The system services that Accordance used prior version 11 was done by Joe Weaks - a pastor/programmer hobbiest. It was a great package because you could tell every service to used a different key command. So F7 could have been ESV, F8 could be NIV. It was great. I have not figured out how to do that in Logos with the service Replace With Passage (Logos).

Accordance 11 now uses "get verses" which is invoked by option-command-A. A little window will appear on top of Pages or whatever you use. You put in your passage and then hit enter. You can change versions in that little window by command - or command +. The other thing that it does great is that it will match your destination format. I use Helvetica Neue 11pt. So there is no reformatting. Logos pastes things in Helvetica 12pt. So I alway have to reformat the paste.

The reason I have wanted the one in Logos to work is I like the way it puts in the scripture superscript number on each verse. Plus an individual laid out the $3k for my package as a gift. I did not need it but there are things that Logos does that is great - so I use both. I needed the paste in Logos it to work. I like highlighting the passage typed in my document, then hitting a key command and having the reference pasted right in.

I thought that this feature people would scream about. So when it wasn’t working I was surprised that 1) it took so long for it to be fixed and 2) that no one seemed to care. Anyway, I am SUPER THANKFUL for Martin (DID YOU HEAR ME MARTIN!) I just wish that a bit more time was invested in it.

I hope this helps, just let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774229#Comment_774229

Thanks. I am using the Insert Verses service with Accordance. Saves a step or two and works pretty much like Replace with Verses in Logos... Still looking to have it format with reference at the beginning and the text (with superscripted verse numbers) following. Putting the reference in puts the complete reference before each verse, even in paragraph format. Leaving the reference out means I have to reinsert the reference after doing the insert verse thing. Oh well.. you are right, would be nice to combine a working version of Logos with the one from Accordance.

Elias Brasil de Souza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774312#Comment_774312

The command to "replace with passage”, if Logos is closed, now opens Logos. Hope this will be fixed soon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774358#Comment_774358

The command to "replace with passage”, if Logos is closed, now opens Logos. Hope this will be fixed soon.

It has always done this and is the way services work. Since our application provides the service it must be running; if it is not, the OS starts the program so it can respond to the service request.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/774368#Comment_774368

Still waiting :-(

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775260#Comment_775260

Still waiting :-(

Just to clarify, are you waiting for the stable release? We just shipped an RC to the Beta channel today, and if all goes according to plan, we should have released the stable version within the next two weeks.

If this isn't what you are referring to, could you please elaborate?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775403#Comment_775403

Yes - some of us do not use the RC / Beta versions... and it has been over a month since this feature broke... Some of us use this feature daily.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775405#Comment_775405

Hugh,

I know that Alabama was making comments about the beta, but I can tell you that this build has been solid for me. Everything is back working. You can download the beta link and then it will update when the final is released. Just saying my experience

Rino

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775403#Comment_775403

Steve,

It would be great if you could make the service match the destination formatting. I think that is a big code fix .... PLEASE.

Thanks for fixing too!!

Rino

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/775454#Comment_775454

Fixed! Thanks

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