Logos 6 and Linux

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Paul Grieve | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2015 7:21 AM

Has anyone tried to run Logos 6 under the Linux Mint OS? I'd be interested in comments on this possibility.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2015 7:27 AM

There is a long discussion relating to the feasibility of Logos on Linux at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/121.aspx?PageIndex=1 

Note that when the new web app that Faithlife are developing (available in beta as part of a Logos Now subscription) is fully operational you will be able to access it from Linux through a standard browser (https://community.logos.com/forums/p/104766/724352.aspx#724352) assuming you have an Internet connection.

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Paul Grieve | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2015 8:19 AM

Thank you so much, Graham, for your rapid response and for the link which I have perused carefully. I do not have a subscription to Now, partly because I live in Africa and my internet connection is abysmal (only able to get online three times in the last week!). Looks like Linux isn't going to be a feasible option for the foreseeable future.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2015 10:52 AM

The only other option is to use something like VirtualBox to run a virtual copy of Windows within Linux. If your hardware is robust enough you will have a good experience. Otherwise it will be much slower than just running a regular installation of Windows.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2015 10:40 AM

Linux users are reporting that the web-based Microsoft Office version runs on Linux.  So, web-based Logos should work.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2015 10:52 AM

Perry Webb:

Linux users are reporting that the web-based Microsoft Office version runs on Linux.  So, web-based Logos should work.

Welcome to the forums, Perry;

The internet is not so good where the OP is located, he is/was looking for a way to run Logos in Linux.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2015 5:04 PM

Linux Mint is similar to Kubuntu (KDE on Ubuntu).  These are all Debian based Linux.  Running on Mint, I haven't been able to get Logos 6 to install on Wine (including trying to install with PlayOnLinux) much less getting Logos 6 to run on Wine.  I've tried Windows 7 and Windows 8 mode.  

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2015 5:27 PM

Has anyone tried using CrossOver on Linux to run Logos 6?

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Dennis E. McFadden | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 5 2016 12:26 PM

I tried and it bombed with a message that Logos requires at least Windows Service Pack 2.  I have been able to get WordSearch, e-Sword, and Quicken to work flawlessly on Linux Mint under Cross Over.  I'm going to try PC StudyBible next, but sure wish Logos 6 would work!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 5 2016 2:31 PM

Dennis E. McFadden:

I tried and it bombed with a message that Logos requires at least Windows Service Pack 2.  I have been able to get WordSearch, e-Sword, and Quicken to work flawlessly on Linux Mint under Cross Over.  I'm going to try PC StudyBible next, but sure wish Logos 6 would work!

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Thread => Linux version of Logos Bible Software referenced earlier by Graham Criddle includes discussion about open source lacking port of Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) that is used by Logos 6 for graphical display.

By the way, Microsoft wants to acquire Xamarin (primary mono maintainer) => http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/02/24/microsoft-to-acquire-xamarin-and-empower-more-developers-to-build-apps-on-any-device/ for cross platform development using .NET (awaiting approval by regulators).  Windows Central article => http://www.windowscentral.com/why-microsofts-purchase-xamarin-huge Xamarin blog => https://blog.xamarin.com/a-xamarin-microsoft-future/ After acquisition approval, will learn if Microsoft plans to port WPF for open source use.

Every Logos User has 10 votes with limit of 3 for one suggestion.

Logos UserVoice suggestion now has 324 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun

Graham Criddle:
Note that when the new web app that Faithlife are developing (available in beta as part of a Logos Now subscription) is fully operational you will be able to access it from Linux through a standard browser (https://community.logos.com/forums/p/104766/724352.aspx#724352) assuming you have an Internet connection.

As a volunteer user without insight to Faithlife plans, the new web app could be cross platform port that allows Logos to be used on Linux and mobile devices.  Personally would like option of hosting my own web app server when not connected to internet.

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David Beatty | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2016 10:04 AM

I just tried it with Wine - no luck. Get an error message "Setup was unable to download a required file." Not an issue with the internet, so must still be an issue with interface with Linux and/or my version of Wine.

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Jonathan Jolly | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 28 2016 8:54 PM

Problem still persists. E-Sword does emulate (Wine 1.6)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 28 2016 9:31 PM

Jonathan Jolly:

Problem still persists.

Welcome to the Logos Bible Software forums Big Smile

Open source community still lacks port of Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) that is used by Logos 7 and Verbum 7 for display of user interface so Wine (and Crossover) remain unusable.

Logos User Voice suggestion was declined with 388 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun

Bradley Grainger:

We will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux.
https://app.logos.com continues to improve and will be our solution for any platform that supports a web browser.

Logos Now and Verbum Now members along with Cloud subscribers have access to Logos web app and Verbum web app that does work in open source distributions, including Chromium in Linux Mint

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Ezra Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2017 8:40 PM

Have you tried playonlinux or CrossOverOffice to help?  CO costs money, but I tried it a long time ago.  Worked pretty well.  Playonlinux is just a GUI for wine.  So it helps you install some programs. I'm not sure that Logos is one of them.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2017 9:14 PM

Ezra Miller:
Have you tried playonlinux or CrossOverOffice to help?

Open source community for Linux distributions still lack port of Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) that is used by Logos 7 and Verbum 7 for display of user interface so Wine and Codeweaver Crossover products remain unusable (Crossover 16 allows MS Office 2013 to run on Linux, which took over 3 years to deliver on a 2012 promise). Logos 7 and Verbum 7 use Mono on OS X (macOS) with a Carbon graphical interface. Mono allows .NET code base to be used on Windows and OS X (macOS) so indexing and searching use the same code.

Mono has no plans for WPF => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/ along with recommendation to use Silverlight subset. WPF porting is a large project that lacks open source community commitment for cloning.

BSD system calls (Darwin) have substantially different parameters and conventions than Linux so the binaries of Carbon applications are not usable in Linux => http://www.darlinghq.org/

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Keith Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 30 2017 9:33 AM

"We will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux. 
https://app.logos.com continues to improve and will be our solution for any platform that supports a web browser." [1] - Bradley Grainger

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Which is ONLY available by paid subscription, and ONLY available while online. This is not opening up your library (which must be purchased) to the largest audience possible.

Please consider one of these better options that could be used in a future version of LOGOS:

1. AVOID frameworks that are NOT multi-platform (ie: using Internet Explorer components [report display engine]). Instead, use available multi-platform options like Firefox or Chromium.

2. A two pronged system vaguely reminiscent of RedHat's setup. You would have your in-house proprietary library and extended features (all purchasable items like you have already), and then they would plug into an open sourced GUI that had only basic features (like your Core Engine only has basic features). You could maintain executive control over the project, but by making the core/GUI available to the vast range of multi-platform programmers you would in essence be gaining thousands of hours of free labor. The difference here though, is that everyone benefits.

3. Leave what you have as-is, EXCEPT: create API hooks that would allow an open source implementation of the GUI to function from various platforms.

If you have an interest in using Logos from within Linux, please vote here:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17889583-logos-on-linux

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2017 12:13 PM

Keith Parker:
Which is ONLY available by paid subscription, and ONLY available while online.

Welcome Big Smile

What feature(s) are desired for offline use ?

Android Apps can be used on Linux => https://www.linux.com/learn/installing-android-apps-linux-archon Faithlife has several Android Apps in the Google Play Store => Frequently Asked Questions

Currently can use a virtual machine (VM) on Linux to run Windows for Logos and Verbum applications (essentially use Windows as an application enabler). Caveat: needs appropriate Windows license for VM use (and adequate hardware).

Keith Parker:
1. AVOID frameworks that are NOT multi-platform (ie: using Internet Explorer components [report display engine]). Instead, use available multi-platform options like Firefox or Chromium.

Faithlife is using Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) in Logos 7, Verbum 7, Logos 6 and Verbum 6 (on Windows and macOS/OS X). Suspect Logos 6 and Verbum 6 will become unsupported => https://www.logos.com/support/free-support on Mon 6 Feb concurrent with release of free Logos 7 and Verbum 7 Core Engines.

Keith Parker:
2. A two pronged system vaguely reminiscent of RedHat's setup. You would have your in-house proprietary library and extended features (all purchasable items like you have already), and then they would plug into an open sourced GUI that had only basic features (like your Core Engine only has basic features). You could maintain executive control over the project, but by making the core/GUI available to the vast range of multi-platform programmers you would in essence be gaining thousands of hours of free labor. The difference here though, is that everyone benefits.

Observation: Core Engine includes code support for extended features, which are not usable without appropriate resource licenses.

How many multi-platform programmers are interested in developing Bible and Literature software ? Logos and Verbum Web Apps are multi-platform for use in many browsers on a variety of devices. An option is applying to work for Faithlife => https://faithlife.com/careers

Keith Parker:
3. Leave what you have as-is, EXCEPT: create API hooks that would allow an open source implementation of the GUI to function from various platforms.

Logos wiki => Mac Release Notes and History shows porting of Logos 4 user interface from Windows to substantial OS X parity (Logos 5.0) took three years from 26 Oct 2009 until 21 Nov 2012 (by many Faithlife developers that knew the Core Engine).

As a volunteer user (lacking Faithlife corporation insights) can speculate API hook creation and troubleshooting taking a bit more effort than creating an open source GUI. Wild guess for either effort has more than 60,000 hours.

Keith Parker:

If you have an interest in using Logos from within Linux, please vote here:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17889583-logos-on-linux

What is the business motive for Logos and Verbum applications on open source distributions, including Linux ?

Profitable businesses stay in business. Profit = Revenue - Expenses.  Creating an open sourced GUI or API has significant expenses as does porting Logos and Verbum user interface for use on open source.

FYI: Apple makes significant contributions to many open source projects => https://www.apple.com/opensource/ OS X (mac OS) along with using them with an open source BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) variant for the macOS / OS X kernel. Apple's EULA for Mac OS X is similar to Faithlife => https://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm

Mac OS X EULA:

This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

Apple Software adds a proprietary user interface to open source BSD.

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