Just A Thought: Bookaholics?

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C M | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 23 2015 5:59 PM

Logos Users,

With thousands of books, Bibles, Collection Sets, maps, data sets, dictionaries, commentaries, etc., with no end in sight and many more books to come; is it possible for a “Holy man” or person to become a bookaholic? Can one become addicted to (religious) books? I speak namely of when a person racks up huge debts (borrows/credit), reads all the time, purchase books over food, hardly eats the food available, and don’t sleep for studying and reading. Is this possible? Is this the average Pastor, a seminarian, or an anomaly? No, I am not describing myself-- Just a thought.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 6:27 PM

I tend to read in the a.m. about 5 hours and then eat 6 times a day. I get 8 hours sleep a night. I buy multiple books each month but it doesn't run my life even though I spend 5 hours a day reading. I am an active college student but not currently taking classes, I know that doesn't make any sense. But when I am taking classes my reading is about 3 hours a day because the other 2 hours are for reading my textbooks. I read more than just the books in my Logos library. I simply love to read. Some people would call me a bookaholic and others would say I am not reading enough and don't have enough books.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 6:32 PM

Charles,

I think you raise an important issue and -- while others may disagree -- I think this is an acceptable forum since it relates quite directly to how people approach their acquisition of Logos resources. Even before the stage of bookaholism, there are softer forms of this addiction spanning a large spectrum of obsession. I know I am often tempted to buy more than I "should" (whatever that means), or more than I can possibly benefit from, and I constantly ask myself if I'm crossing the line from great stewardship decisions to horrible stewardship decisions. Often, addicts never know when they've crossed that line, or have learned skills to justify transgressing it.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 6:48 PM

Lew Worthington:
Often, addicts never know when they've crossed that line, or have learned skills to justify transgressing it.

Ouch, good word 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 8:08 PM

Charles McNeil:
Is this possible?

48,462 resources in my library.....No, it does not seem possible.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 8:20 PM

Charles McNeil:
is it possible for a ... person to become a bookaholic?

Yes. Hoarding is a psychological disorder, and can affect people with digital 'collections' just like those with physical 'collections'. Having observed reported behaviors in the forums for over six years, I'm convinced (anecdotally) I've seen it numerous times.

Charles McNeil:
when a person racks up huge debts (borrows/credit), reads all the time, purchase books over food, hardly eats the food available, and don’t sleep

As I said in another forum, if I'm spending more on Logos each year than I put in the plate at church, I should be anathema.

YMMV.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 8:33 PM

Yes it is more than possible. Job 23:12 speaks to the good side of the issue. The focus should be on reading and study first. It's very hard to draw the line.

I think the problem is that we don't want to miss out on anything and that's precisely how stuff gets promoted. There's always something more. Somewhere you reach the point of deciding between the must have and nice to have items. The sooner you do that the better off you will be.

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 8:56 PM

Mab,

I agree. Are there any specific early waring signs for one to heed when enough is enough (books) and too much is good for nothing?

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 9:21 PM

Super.Tramp,

Super.Tramp:
48,462 resources in my library.....No, it does not seem possible

I am glad what I described is not your experience. Shall I admire your wealth, acquisition, and/or discipline (self-control)? I am sure there is someone with a Logos Library larger than yours. I guess for some, the sky is the limit and the last book is until the NEXT advertisement or published release.

Finding the balance in all things is the key to healthy living. 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 10:34 PM

Charles, I would put it this way.

In this world of many temptations, if you had to be addicted to at least one thing. I think Logos is a very good one to have. That being said, control is important in all things. I ask the question do I really need this set/book many times i find myself questioning the resources i have waiting in "open pre pubs.

One other goal I have is the desire to now read as many book I can that are in my library, without adding a new one if possible. 

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 10:43 PM

Lew Worthington:
Even before the stage of bookaholism, there are softer forms of this addiction spanning a large spectrum of obsession.

Lew,

Thanks for your insightfulness. He who thinks deeply about possible addiction, makes wise choices and avoid heartaches in the future.

Lew Worthington:
I know I am often tempted to buy more than I "should" (whatever that means), or more than I can possibly benefit from, and I constantly ask myself if I'm crossing the line from great stewardship decisions to horrible stewardship decisions.

What drives us to buy? Is it the advertisements, the quest for knowledge, to have the biggest library, the author, clarity, to know more than others, updates, discarding bounded books for more space at home, bragging rights, because we can afford it (or impress others that we can), the price of a set, time availability, school, entitlement, too many choices, and/or just ego? It is possible that these are the reasons (some justifiable). The question remains, who or what's driving the train to purchase? Only the individual will know for sure.

A rule of thumb, if I may suggest, any extreme is not healthy. Stay out of the ditches, use the road. Let's be willing and ready to help those who have crossed the line and don't know it.

Question: When is "enough is enough"?  

Answer: When "too much is good for nothing."

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T. L. Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 11:03 PM

Wow...I thought I had a lot of resources at 17,000!

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2015 11:21 PM

Lee:
if you had to be addicted to at least one thing. I think Logos is a very good one to have

I feel a moderate addiction is just fine, but as others say, it can slide to an unhealthy extreme, and how do I recognize the limit?

Just thinking, could overcollecting Logos resources be justified as a donation to the book authors and as giving food to Logos software engineers?

And will buying books eventually make the books more affordable to others?

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 1:38 AM

Veli,

Your thoughts are most welcome, but your "moderate addiction is just fine", raises some concerns.  May i suggest you review the definition of the word "addiction."  Addiction on any level is unhealthy. I think the "unhealthy extreme" is when ones out-of-controlled behavior decays his/her soul and destroy the lives of others.

Veli Voipio:
overcollecting Logos resources be justified as a donation to the book authors and as giving food to Logos software engineers?
I don't think so. Try using this reasoning to the law of a man who has been at a bar or "Pub" for too long. To give a "donation" is to do willingly, freely, and with some sense of control with ones understanding of his/her limitations.

Veli Voipio:
will buying books eventually make the books more affordable to others?
 Not, necessarily. Only if you believe in the "Trickled-Down Theory" in selling religious books. There is a thing called profit. If a "Pub" sells more drinks, would the cost automatically go down for the user? Books will become "more affordable" when the seller lowers his prices. Until then, we must pay up, credit up, or "stand down." 

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 3:10 AM

For anyone interested, this is from the Mayo Clinic. I guess you could replace "the drug" with "the buying of Logos books" and go through the list to see if it applies to you, although you may wind up with at least one or two humorous results by doing so!

Drug addiction symptoms or behaviors include, among others:

  • Feeling that you have to use the drug regularly — this can be daily or even several times a day
  • Having intense urges for the drug
  • Over time, needing more of the drug to get the same effect
  • Making certain that you maintain a supply of the drug
  • Spending money on the drug, even though you can't afford it
  • Not meeting obligations and work responsibilities, or cutting back on social or recreational activities because of drug use
  • Doing things to get the drug that you normally wouldn't do, such as stealing
  • Driving or doing other risky activities when you're under the influence of the drug
  • Focusing more and more time and energy on getting and using the drug
  • Failing in your attempts to stop using the drug
  • Experiencing withdrawal symptoms when you attempt to stop taking the drug

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/basics/symptoms/con-20020970 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 6:03 AM

Ok, being a CPA, I would recommend budgeting your purchases for the year in advance and then stick to it. This will cure any compulsive buying because when the money is gone you are done for the year. Use what God has blessed you with for the benefit of others and furthering the Gospel, understanding that to whom much is given, much is required. Lastly, give your budget to your spouse for accountability... hardcore I know.

As for the heart issues, give some of your Logos books away to someone who needs them more, or spend some of your budget to buy books for someone else. Call Logos and have them send an e mail to someone letting them know that a certain amount of $$ has been provided to them to purchase some books, especially if they have blessed you in some way.

Lastly, enjoy what God has blessed you with. It is ok to have fun, enjoy sales and be excited about some new books. I enjoy my Logos library and am thankful for it. It is much smaller than many, but it is just right for me.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 7:36 AM

I have my monthly payment, and I have a reasonable budget for what I can spend on top of that if I choose.

The way I see it, a mechanic has a 5000$ toolbox, filled with 25000$ worth of tools from snap on etc. A plumber is quite similar. Thousands in tools.

Would a pastor not be negligent if he didn't do something similar? Not only the purchase of books, but their effective use?

No sense re-inventing the wheel when I can instead stand on the shoulders of other folks.


Obviously, if you are driving, or engaging in reckless behavior to get more logos books, then perhaps you have crossed the line :):):)

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 7:37 AM

OK, I admit that I an addicted to books.  The idea of getting a new book; digital or paper is very satisfying and is like a drug.  What is scary is to look at one's order page in Logos and see how much one has spent on resources over the years.  Many great deals but still a lot of money.

Like most addictions we usually say to ourselves or others, "I can stop", "I can stop purchasing Logos resources".

Suggestion - Can you stay away from logos.com for a month or longer and keep oneself from seeing and desiring resources that might come up on sale or show up in pre-pub or community pricing.

  • Stay off Logos.com
  • Unsubscribe from email lists
  • Stay off the forums or at least the General one
  • Avoid the Home page in the app

Now that seems hard to do.  I am addicted to discovering what is new and finding about great deals.  There is the feeling that I might be missing out on something that I badly "need".

Another thing to try to do is to bring up the library window and click on the "Reading Status" column and see the grouping of resources to see those resources that you have at least opened and referenced vs those you have unread. Look at the Reading section and sort in descending order and you will see those that you have referenced the content the most.  Should be revealing.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 7:40 AM

Bruce Roth:

OK, I admit that I an addicted to books.  The idea of getting a new book; digital or paper is very satisfying and is like a drug.  What is scary is to look at one's order page in Logos and see how much one has spent on resources over the years.  Many great deals but still a lot of money.

Like most addictions we usually say to ourselves or others, "I can stop", "I can stop purchasing Logos resources".

Suggestion - Can you stay away from logos.com for a month or longer and keep oneself from seeing and desiring resources that might come up on sale or show up in pre-pub or community pricing.

  • Stay off Logos.com
  • Unsubscribe from email lists
  • Stay off the forums or at least the General one
  • Avoid the Home page in the app

Now that seems hard to do.  I am addicted to discovering what is new and finding about great deals.  There is the feeling that I might be missing out on something that I badly "need".

Another thing to try to do is to bring up the library window and click on the "Reading Status" column and see the grouping of resources to see those resources that you have at least opened and referenced vs those you have unread. Look at the Reading section and sort in descending order and you will see those that you have referenced the content the most.  Should be revealing.



I could - but not without dumping my queue for pre-pub. I have to watch that somewhat closely to keep it within budget.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:42 AM

abondservant:
The way I see it, a mechanic has a 5000$ toolbox, filled with 25000$ worth of tools from snap on etc. A plumber is quite similar. Thousands in tools.

Would a pastor not be negligent if he didn't do something similar? Not only the purchase of books, but their effective use?

That was my exact logic when I first started with Logos. To put a different perspective on it, the level of education of people in general has increased over the last few generations. Should not those who minister to the church seek grow in their knowledge as well? Christianity faces many attacks, some on the scholarly level, and those in ministry need to be armed with the knowledge to offer repsonses that will stand up to scrutiny. Logos offers a much more cost-effective way to purchase the tools needed to do that, especially if one buys during sales and promotions. Yes, individual resources at regular price may be more expensive than their print counterparts, but that is definitely not the case when things are bundled together or heavily discounted such as the International Critical Commentaries currently on sale for $1.99.

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