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Carl P. Garrett, III | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 24 2015 11:25 AM

Is there a way to add an icon for a 1 click to the Bible so that I don't have to start typing OPEN KJV every time I open the software just to get to THE BIBLE? 

UPDATE:  Disregard the request.  I found it but I had to go to the online tutorials.... While it is easy to do once you know the 'secret' it is not an intuitive move.  I suppose I am used to a more Windows like interface where standard protocols are intuitive and this is going more and more towards more keystrokes to get where you want to go....  While that might be great once you know the trick it is a pain to learn...  

Here's a suggestion.  Run new beta software past some users and get feedback on user friendly aspects...instead of relying primarily on what the 'techies/developers' think is 'cool'....because us end user customer types aren't privy to the discussions that lead the latest approach/technique.....so we don't have the insight as to why something is set up a certain way and how you have to contort yourself to get there.....

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 12:05 PM

i use Logos' Shortcuts bar

I have 3 different Bible translations as 3 different shortcuts and very seldom type anything in the command box.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 1:11 PM

Carl P. Garrett, III:

 

Here's a suggestion.  Run new beta software past some users and get feedback on user friendly aspects...instead of relying primarily on what the 'techies/developers' think is 'cool'....because us end user customer types aren't privy to the discussions that lead the latest approach/technique.....so we don't have the insight as to why something is set up a certain way and how you have to contort yourself to get there.....

They do. Go to the Logos Desktop Beta forum for more information. Anyone can download the betas.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 24 2015 1:37 PM

Did you know that you can type just KJV?

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 12:46 AM

Rick:

Carl P. Garrett, III:

 

Here's a suggestion.  Run new beta software past some users and get feedback on user friendly aspects...instead of relying primarily on what the 'techies/developers' think is 'cool'....because us end user customer types aren't privy to the discussions that lead the latest approach/technique.....so we don't have the insight as to why something is set up a certain way and how you have to contort yourself to get there.....

They do. Go to the Logos Desktop Beta forum for more information. Anyone can download the betas.

Carl - There is a bit of learning curve with Logos but short cuts to resources are not in the least bit obscure.

It is right there in the help file...

I know that you expressed an interest in the Beta process but I would seriously warn against it.

  • You really need a second installation to protect against the times the Beta is seriously flawed.
  • There is an implied undertaking to investigate bugs and carefully report them with both workflow examples and posted logs.

If you are having difficulty navigating the shortcut process then I would suggest that the Beta minefield is not for you.

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Carl P. Garrett, III | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2015 6:14 PM

Rick,

Thanks for the response...I suppose I wasn't clear but what I getting at was not for me to get into the beta testing world....but for others who might enjoy such things.  The point being what seems obvious to those developing isn't so obvious to those who haven't been part of development.

I'm about to discard Logos...and go back to my old freeware.  Logos is getting far too complicated to use... I just tried to add a note and couldn't even figure that out for the longest...it took me 10 minutes of searching and I've done it many times in the past but isn't something I do on a regular basis so didn't remember the 'trick' and had to go looking.  THAT is frustrating.   I've been a user since version 4.x so I'm not new to this.  But every time there is an 'upgrade' it gets more complicated and less user friendly.  The trend seems oriented toward a social media orientation to the point that basic tasks are buried or at the least not intuitive.  

I suppose for heavy hitters who need to do deep threaded research they love this approach but I just want a convenient and simple place to read the Bible, take notes and study.  By the time I figure out how to do things I am so frustrated that I lose the inspiration and throw my hands up in disgust and shut down.  I find it terribly frustrating to have to go to the help file just to do a simple task like opening a Bible.... Let that sink in and you'll get what I'm frustrated with.....a Bible software package where you have to go to HELP to find a Bible....HELLO!!!!

Sometimes you just have to realize that a product isn't for you despite it being super powerful.  If you can't use it effectively it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles it has.

Thanks for letting me vent.....I will keep trying because I realize how powerful this software is...and with that power comes more keystrokes....  I just don't like spending my Bible study time studying software instead....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2015 7:02 PM

Carl, thanks for taking the time to explain your problem so clearly that I think we can solve the problem. For example, how to add a note hasn't changed significantly since Logos 4 - so the issue is both that it isn't immediately obvious and that you don't do it often enough to remember how to do it. Here's what we did when Dad found word processors getting too complex (it worked well except when his broad fingers accidently hit an unknown hot key sequence).

  • Identify the actions you want to be able to do e.g. open Bible, add note, underline, change Bible translation, open study bible notes and have them follow ...
  • Create a cheat sheet on how to accomplish each of these tasks - a single way to do it using your preference of mouse, hot-key, gesture ... (the forums will help you with this part)
  • Keep the cheat sheet near you when you are doing Bible study so that you can quickly find a way to do something, if you have forgotten.
  • When you want to do a new task add it to the list.
  • Once a week, run through the actions on your sheet on your computer so you keep what the cheat sheet means fresh in your mind.
  • Once the actions are becoming automatic, wait longer between the runs through the actions.
  • If you are comfortable that you'll never again forget how to do a task, you can delete it from the cheat sheet.

Simply ignore everything else in the program except those functions you need to meet your basic tasks. Once, you are comfortable that you are getting things done, then play with Logos to find features that might enhance your study ... or come to the forums and ask for suggestions as to which features might be of most use.

Yes, when written out it sounds like a hassle but once you've build the first cheat sheet, it actually takes little time and it quickly improves your memory of how to find the functions you need.

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Gary Mendenhall | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2015 8:15 PM

A very thoughtful response M.J. Smith.  Thank you.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2015 9:46 AM

MJ. Smith:

  • Identify the actions you want to be able to do e.g. open Bible, add note, underline, change Bible translation, open study bible notes and have them follow ...
  • Create a cheat sheet on how to accomplish each of these tasks - a single way to do it using your preference of mouse, hot-key, gesture ... (the forums will help you with this part)

This is a great suggestion.

Perhaps someone could take on the task of creating these cheat sheets that have been submitted by new users. For newbies, this would be better than a full-blown manual and easier to access than the forums.

I don't know how to implement this, but I love the idea.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2015 11:10 AM

Doc B:
Perhaps someone could take on the task of creating these cheat sheets that have been submitted by new users. For newbies, this would be better than a full-blown manual and easier to access than the forums.

I have done it for parish-based studies with well defined expectations on resources. Each week we added another task or two. Yes, it works

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2015 7:46 AM

MJ. Smith:
Yes, it works

That doesn't sound like you are volunteering for the positition. Stick out tongue

I've done plenty of complaining about lack of documentation, so I am trying to be part of the solution as well as pointing out the problem. This idea has merit and I hope someone who knows how to pull it off will consider taking it on.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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