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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 11 2015 3:36 PM

If and when someone gets an iPad Pro I would be interested in hearing if it enhances (size) or detracts (weight) from the reading experience.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 5:51 PM

Interesting question. I'd like to know as well. My guess is that most users would find it unwieldy. A regular iPad is ideal for reading and taking notes. A kindle paper white is ideal for casual reading. I think the pro would make Rick Moranis look like  Arnold Schwarzenegger Stick out tongue

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Steven Branson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 7:41 PM

I am enjoying it. I have been working on it all day. In preparing a message for tonight, I was able to split screen Logos with Bible and commentary, then split screen Logos and Pages. I had three panels to work as I was studying. It was easy to study and write my message. The sound of IPad Pro is amazing as I listen to music while studying.

Reading on it works well, and I am finding that I spend most of my reading in landscape. 

I think it will be like my iPhone plus, at first it seemed too big, and now I would never go back to smaller phone.

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 9:17 PM

Perhaps not the best for reading in bed, which is where I am with my iPad Pro now. If I'm reading with it over my head, and I fall asleep, it might injure me to the point I never wake up!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 9:23 PM

Funny. Smile

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 6:37 AM

I am also curious how it works with the Proclaim iOS Remote App. I should make reading notes easier during sermons.

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Scott Fillmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 6:04 PM

I would really love to know if Logos is going to push put an update to take advantage of the iPad Pro screen size. It could really benefit from some text optimization and really could use tabs or something. I plan to use it for my daily study but was hoping it would display a little more closely to my MacBook Pro. It's not too optimal for reading at the moment.

Anyone at Logos know if a resolution update is in the works?

p.s. it's certainly not terrible or anything because the text size can be adjusted (many of my favorite apps look pretty bad), Logos is certainly one of the better looking apps on this massive screen

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 9:49 PM

In case you don't get an official response, I'll venture one. Will there be an update? Maybe, but only if the market needs it. Firstly, I question how many logos users will buy the thing. I even wonder how many non logos users do. I am perplexed by cook's "death of laptops" comment. Until it runs OS X and comes with MUCH more storage, I question who its target is. I certainly see creative users working on illustrations. In essence, it is an awesome deal tablet in the Wacom sense of the word. I think Keith was suggesting it as a TelePrompTer of sorts, which is interesting. Time will tell. In any case, FL is unlikely to spend much time on it unless it's really easy OR there is market demand. 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 10:37 PM

I've had mine for a day and a half now and have found that the iPad Pro is an incredible reading experience. In full screen mode, it is so nice to see so much of the text on the screen at once. However, my favorite is to go split screen and have OneNote open on the opposite pane for notetaking. 

The iPad Pro is hard to hold one handed without being propped up against something for a long period of time. However, propping it against a leg or even laying it flat on a table is fine. I read much today and didn't ever feel like it was too big or bulky. And for the size it is incredibly light

I would absolutely love Logos to take advantage of the pencil, even if it was just for markup. It works really well with the large size as is right now.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 5:32 AM

If it is hard to hold without propping it up, why is it better than a MacBook, which does have a built in stand after all. ;)

I think the most compelling logos use is as a TelePrompTer, where it will be laying down. I could see the Bible! App open split screen with Keynote on the other. I wonder if that would work...

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Scott Fillmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 7:09 AM

I think the two most compelling things it has over my Macbook Pro to me is #1 mobility (if you buy the cellular version, which I did), and #2 the artistic nature of the device. If you are any bit of an artist whatsoever or even want to learn to be, there is nothing that matches the pro (Apple Pencil yet to be seen as it's on backorder).

I did not buy it to run Logos, but I am a daily user of Logos and plan to use the pro as heavily as possible with all apps. The "stand" part doesn't bother me as I will pair it with the Logitech keyboard case or Apple keyboard.

The main difference really is whether you want to run iOS or OS X and whether you want a touch screen or not (both have advantages and disadvantages). The screen, sound, and visual experience is better than my MBP visually, even if it can't power OS X items. 

Personally, all the pundits of "laptop replacement" view is an invalid look at two different devices. It's not a laptop replacement, the MBP and the iPad Pro are different and should be viewed and used for the uniqueness that comes with each. I don't want a tablet-laptop, I want a powerful laptop and a powerful tablet.

Either way, Logos looks great on both, I just wish the iPad Pro could do tabs instead of just one split view. :)

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 7:26 AM

For me, I would want the iPad Pro to be a laptop replacement for me to buy one (I'm down to just having a Macbook Pro and an iPhone--I don't want any more devices). What I want is something that I can lay on the pulpit to preach from on Sunday, and to prepare the sermon on during the week. It's not so much that the iPad Pro (and iOS 9) can't do that, it's that Logos Bible for iOS that isn't quite there for me yet. I'm patient (I have to be, I'm preaching on contentment this Sunday 🙂), things are coming along, and maybe in a couple years--who knows.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 8:23 AM

Integ:

What I want is something that I can lay on the pulpit to preach from on Sunday...

For me this is the number one reason I would consider one. I do almost all my sermon prep on a desktop computer and rarely need a laptop. I can live with the limitations of iOS for the small amount of mobile work I do (I like working in a real office, not Starbucks!). My current iPad Air is just a little small for my liking on the pulpit, the larger screen would be nice.

I also find that 90% of the time I read with my iPad Air prompted up anyway, so I don't think the weight of the Pro will be an issue.

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 8:34 AM

Integ:

What I want is something that I can lay on the pulpit to preach from on Sunday, and to prepare the sermon on during the week. 

I believe the iPad Pro will be perfect for the pulpit or classroom podium. The presentation view from Keynote is wonderful. Lots of room for the current slide on one side and notes on the other. And I discovered today that split screen works while in presentation mode, so you can add another app to the mix of what you're looking at while the audience still only sees your slide. 

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Steven Branson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 4:21 PM

After two days working on the Ipad Pro, I find it to be a great tool. I have used it in the pulpit and it worked well with Logos Bible and Pages in split windows. I wrote my Sunday sermon on it with Logos and Pages and was able to make it work well. I was able to put my notes into Keynote with very little trouble. I only had to switch to a computer when I needed to upload keynote sermon notes into Proclaim. I am using the Logitech keyboard for Ipad Pro and it is working well. I find reading books on the pro about the same as reading on Air 2. The speed and power of the Pro is amazing. Everyhing is instantaneous. Ipad pro will be my mobile computer from here on out.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 10:26 PM

alabama24:

I think the most compelling logos use is as a TelePrompTer, where it will be laying down. I could see the Bible! App open split screen with Keynote on the other. I wonder if that would work...

Telemprompt 3+ running in split screen mode with an outline of my notes = awesome! 

Or just preaching from notes...the screen is so big that you can see so much more than on a standard iPad. 

Honestly, I know it's just a bigger iPad but it feels like a whole different kind of device. Like how the iPad was just a bigger iPhone but that made it different. This is enough bigger that that same phenomenon has happened again, at least for my use which involves much reading and note taking. 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2015 10:26 PM

alabama24:

I think the most compelling logos use is as a TelePrompTer, where it will be laying down. I could see the Bible! App open split screen with Keynote on the other. I wonder if that would work...

Telemprompt 3+ running in split screen mode with an outline of my notes = awesome! 

Or just preaching from notes...the screen is so big that you can see so much more than on a standard iPad. 

Honestly, I know it's just a bigger iPad but it feels like a whole different kind of device. Like how the iPad was just a bigger iPhone but that made it different. This is enough bigger that that same phenomenon has happened again, at least for my use which involves much reading and note taking. 

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2015 2:08 PM

The iPad Pro could be a great laptop replacement for a number of people. But not for all. As much as I love my iPad, iOS just isn't as versatile as OS X or Windows. There are a number of things I can do on my MBP (such as: run Logos/Verbum 6) that still can't be done on iOS. If I decided to sell my MBP and my iPad and get a Pro (one iDevice to rule them all?), I could probably do most of what I do now on either device, but I'd miss the reduced versatility. 

If/when the iPad Pro can run Logos/Verbum 6 (or if FL saw the need to design a Pro-only app that included most desktop functions), as well as other apps that have the same abilities as their desktop/laptop siblings, I may be in. Then it could be the one iDevice to rule them all. Till then, however, I'll keep my MBP and my iPad. They also have the advantage of being (almost) paid for!

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2015 4:08 PM

Mark Nolette:

The iPad Pro could be a great laptop replacement for a number of people. But not for all. As much as I love my iPad, iOS just isn't as versatile as OS X or Windows. There are a number of things I can do on my MBP (such as: run Logos/Verbum 6) that still can't be done on iOS. If I decided to sell my MBP and my iPad and get a Pro (one iDevice to rule them all?), I could probably do most of what I do now on either device, but I'd miss the reduced versatility. 

If/when the iPad Pro can run Logos/Verbum 6 (or if FL saw the need to design a Pro-only app that included most desktop functions), as well as other apps that have the same abilities as their desktop/laptop siblings, I may be in. Then it could be the one iDevice to rule them all. Till then, however, I'll keep my MBP and my iPad. They also have the advantage of being (almost) paid for!

Only, Tim Cook, who sadly is a Logos user would think that an iPad Pro could be a replacement for a real desktop or laptop computer, however I am not looking for an iPad Pro to replace my main Logos computers, but my "mobile" computer. I have two very capable desktop computers that I do most of my work on, an aging laptop (7 years) and an iPad Air 2. I fully expect my laptop to die sometime in the next 12 months, when that happen I am seriously questioning whether or not I really need a laptop. When preaching and teaching my current iPad is already superior to my laptop, an iPad Pro sounds even better! Desktop computers really are the best computers to run Logos on and if you have a great desktop an iPad Pro appears to make more sense than a laptop.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2015 3:14 PM

Lots of people have said what I would say.

  1. Great for reading while sitting (not so much lying down as my friend Rick said). Reason is that it lets you view two panes with plenty of room for text. Many books have Bible references and this lets me have my Bible open while reading instead of just tap to show the popup.
  2. Best tablet for doing research in your app and writing in a word processor like Word or Pages. Even Notes would be good.
  3. I wish it would take advantage of the size.
    1. could use 3 panes thanks to the size
    2. wish the pencil would let me mark up (or any styluls for that matter)
    3. would love a real margin mode where I could literally use handwriting in the margins of the text. Only Bible I've ever seen like this is the old ESV OneNote Bible that I used to use on my old Tablet PCs.

Just my $.02 worth.

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