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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2015 4:18 PM

alabama24:

Firstly, I question how many logos users will buy the thing. I even wonder how many non logos users do. I am perplexed by cook's "death of laptops. 

My number one reason for buying one would be to use as a music book. I enjoy using my current iPad with a Bluetooth pedal for hands-free page turns. The iPad pro would be the perfect size for a sheet of music.

I would also love to have one of these for the pulpit, though probably not any other teaching situation.

I agree that it won't be a laptop killer, especially without osx. I can't fathom using a tablet for programming or any context-switch-heavy input process. But it does seem excellent for some niche processes.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2015 6:41 PM

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The iPad Pro could be a great laptop replacement for a number of people. But not for all. As much as I love my iPad, iOS just isn't as versatile as OS X or Windows. There are a number of things I can do on my MBP (such as: run Logos/Verbum 6) that still can't be done on iOS. If I decided to sell my MBP and my iPad and get a Pro (one iDevice to rule them all?), I could probably do most of what I do now on either device, but I'd miss the reduced versatility. 

Yes my thoughts exactly. A bigger screen is nice, but i need more functionality from Verbum and even from my Accordance app. For these to be useful for me I need citation options. I hate how Verbum gives me a link which takes you to Biblia ... I would also need much greater offline support for Verbum.

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KPK | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 10:42 AM

I have the iMac 27 inch, MBP 15 inch, and the ipad pro. To me it's not a replacement for anything. I use whichever is convienient for me. If I am at the coffee shop, I'll bring my laptop or pro. If I'm at home, I will use my pro and iMac. If I am traveling I will bring my pro. They all serve different purposes for different people. I am enjoying it. I purchased the Logitech keyboard. Now, to get my hands on the pencil that's a different story! errr! 

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Joe Smysor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 2:04 PM

When I'm not at the church and not in school I'm also a technology trainer and my boss there got me an iPad Pro.  I really like it so far. Way more than I thought I would.  I am taking an online class and with the pro I am able to AirPlay the lecture to my apple tv (or watch a small version of it in the corner of my iPad) while having logos open and pages open.

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Joe Horn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 11:02 AM

I received my ipad pro last week and I love it. Having it open and the bible in split screen is amazing. As well as being able to have pages open on one side and the logos software on the other. Love it more and move every day and happy with the purchases. Still use my smaller iPad for reading while in bed, but otherwise iPad pro all the way.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 11:24 AM

Does the text scale up for the larger screen?

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Gregory Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 11:36 AM

I purchased recently and I initially had this question on my first viewing of Logos on the Ipad Pro because the text was not sharp. However, after updating the app, the screen and text are gorgeous. 

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 11:47 AM

Gregory Williams:

I purchased recently and I initially had this question on my first viewing of Logos on the Ipad Pro because the text was not sharp. However, after updating the app, the screen and text are gorgeous. 

Have you used it with the Proclaim Remote App? I am primarily interested in having my notes in a larger font as I preach. If the note section does not scale up on the larger screen, the iPad Pro is much less attractive to me.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 2:02 PM

Could some of you post a screen shot of the iPad Pro with Logos/Verbum and another app open in split mode?

Thanks,

Peter

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 3:00 PM

PL:

Could some of you post a screen shot of the iPad Pro with Logos/Verbum and another app open in split mode?

Thanks,

Peter

Here you go:

Oops, that's a Surface Pro 4, running a full version of Logos 6... 

Seriously though, not trying to troll you guys :) But if some of you are so concerned about split screen and a full version of Logos 6 just try the Surface Pro 4. You can get it for about the same price as the iPad Pro (and in some cases cheaper) with the pen. 

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 3:14 PM

J. Remington Bowling:

Seriously though, not trying to troll you guys :) But if some of you are so concerned about split screen and a full version of Logos 6 just try the Surface Pro 4. You can get it for about the same price as the iPad Pro (and in some cases cheaper) with the pen. 

I think it's a mistake to compare the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro. Lots of people are doing just that, but they are different kinds of machines for different purposes. Granted, there's overlap. I have an iPad Pro, a MacBook, and an Acer laptop. I need all three. I've owned 3 different models in the Surface family. They're nice machines, and I recommend them. But for tablet use, I prefer an iPad. iOS is simply a better tablet OS in my experience than Windows. I hope and predict that my iPad Pro becomes my "first choice" device. That is, if I can do a task on the iPad Pro, I'll use it. If not, I'll use one of the other devices. 

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 3:27 PM

For the record, I'm not a defender of Microsoft or Apple platforms. Like you, I use both Apple and Microsoft products. (I used my SP4 to open OneNote and Logos 6, I jotted down a quick note, then I double clicked the pen to capture the screen in OneNote... then I opened OneNote on my Macbook Pro and uploaded the picture to these forums.) I don't agree that it's a mistake to compare the iPad Pro and the SP4 though. It's pretty obvious that they are aimed at the same market. The main benefits of both of these products are the use of a digitizer pen and the bigger screen sizes. The main difference, besides one being an Apple produce and the other a Microsoft product, is that one runs a tablet OS and the other runs a full desktop-like OS. If you are a heavy tablet/mobile app user then go with iPad Pro. Clearly Apple has the app market locked down. But if you want more functionality for things like Logos (or any program you use on your desktop/laptop: e.g., Audio Notetaker, Photoshop, etc.) then go with SP4. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 3:41 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
It's pretty obvious that they are aimed at the same market.

Not even close. 

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 3:58 PM

Not that this is really worth even arguing over but apparently Apple's CEO apparently didn't get the marketing memo from you: "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones." That's almost exactly how the Surface has been marketed. 

If these guys are trying to reach audiences that are "not even close" then someone should fire their marketing teams... not to mention their design teams.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 4:08 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
"Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."

A bicycle can be a replacement for a car. That does not mean that they are marketed to the same people. Wink

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 4:14 PM
That's a fine excuse when the differences between a bicycle and a car are so obvious that a three year old could list them. But it's a really bad one when your average tablet consumer couldn't list the significant difference between a Surface and an iPad.
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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2015 4:34 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
That's a fine excuse when the differences between a bicycle and a car are so obvious that a three year old could list them.

The differences between an iPad Pro and a Surface Pro are also obvious. You have already mentioned one of the biggest! The surface pro is a "computer" in a tablet form factor. The iPad Pro is a true tablet, running a mobile OS. 

My bicycle/car illustration is a bit absurd... It was obviously tongue in cheek. The iPad Pro and Surface Pro are significantly different. Anyone who is debating between the two probably doesn't know what they really need, or doesn't understand the difference between the two devices. There is obviously some overlap between the two, but so is there overlap between an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro... which is much closer to being "the same market" (but it's not). 

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2015 1:30 PM

PL:
Could some of you post a screen shot of the iPad Pro with Logos/Verbum and another app open in split mode?

Hi Peter,

Here are a couple of examples.

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I only picked up the Pro yesterday and hope to use it as a notebook replacement (for work when travelling) in addition to a tablet for reading, web-browsing and entertainment. I am still waiting for the keyboard to arrive (it should arrive tomorrow), but so far I am very impressed. In contrast to some reviewers, I find the tablet to be light and comfortable when held or perched on the lap. The screen is crisp and vibrant (as one would expect) and the speakers a real upgrade on both my iPad Air and MacBook Air. The tablet is responsive and a joy to use. And the Apple Pencil is awesome :).

Blessings

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2015 1:53 PM

Andy's pic reminded me of something that buyers should be aware of if they are looking at the SP4 for similar functionality: there is no touch-screen optimized app for Logos on Windows. So you will need to interact with the device in different ways if you're using it as a tablet. Personally, I don't find this to be a problem. My finger scrolls the page fine, the pen works to select text fine, and having the highlighter pane open fulfills that function just fine too. This is possible in split-screen mode as well, since the highlighter pane doesn't take up much space, it's like having three window panes open.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2015 7:28 PM

Thanks for the screen shots and the feedback!

Peter

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