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Kenneth Morris | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 19 2009 3:52 AM

I would love to see the Eerdman's Wesleyan Commentary under contract. As of now it looks like it is about 75% of the way there. It is well worth the price. Why not go have a look and put in your pre-pub order? You would have plenty of time to gather funds to cover it before it ships, and if you should fail to come up with the necessary funds by time of shipment, you always have the option of canceling your order.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 6:58 AM

Kenneth Morris:

I would love to see the Eerdman's Wesleyan Commentary under contract. As of now it looks like it is about 75% of the way there. It is well worth the price. Why not go have a look and put in your pre-pub order? You would have plenty of time to gather funds to cover it before it ships, and if you should fail to come up with the necessary funds by time of shipment, you always have the option of canceling your order.

Ken, I agree.  As I previously reported, I used this regularly while in seminary (Trinity Evangelical Divinity School) and found it quite useful.  I continue to consult my paper copies, but would much rather have the search capabilities of LOGOS included with my paper copy.  This commentary is a blend between a scholarly commentary and a devotional commentary.  The writers come from a variety of Wesleyan perspectives (Methodist, Free Methodist, Nazarene, Wesleyan, etc.)  and represent those broad backgrounds. 

Too often we fight against straw men - we let writers of our own persuasion define what those with a different persuasion believe.  Though this commentary is not particulary "Armininian", the writiers all come from that perspective.  If you are willing to better understand the Wesleyan perspective (whether you are Wesleyan or not) this six volumne commentary is a good tool to assist you in that process.  And, whether you come a Wesleyan or not, this commentary will give you insights into the scriptures that you might otherwise miss.

Thank you for considering the Eerdman's Wesleyan Commentary as an addition to your colletion.

Yours Because His,

Floyd

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 8:00 AM

Kenneth Morris:

I would love to see the Eerdman's Wesleyan Commentary under contract. As of now it looks like it is about 75% of the way there. It is well worth the price. Why not go have a look and put in your pre-pub order? You would have plenty of time to gather funds to cover it before it ships, and if you should fail to come up with the necessary funds by time of shipment, you always have the option of canceling your order.

Ken

It doesn't look as though they have a lot of high-power scholars in that series.

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Kenneth Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 8:50 AM

Dennis Kinlaw, Doug Carter, Kenneth Grider, to name a few. I realize some may be so boxed in to their own theological persuasion to appreciate the contribution these men have made, but hey, why not expand your horizons?

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 9:43 AM

To get a feel for the Eerdman's Wesleyan Commentary series (E.W.C) those of you who have the Church of God Digital Library http://www.logos.com/products/details/2929 will find the Isaiah and the proverbs volume from the E. W. C there.

The series is written by fine Evangelical Scholars who take the bible seriously & will assist preachers in the exposition of scripture. Please Place your order on Pre-pub and help push this commentary series into the development stage. I am neither a wesleyan or Armininian but i can appreciate a good commentary series when i see one

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 10:00 AM

George Somsel:

It doesn't look as though they have a lot of high-power scholars in that series.

Ah,  i know what you mean you mean scholars from the far left! Hmmm No

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Kenneth Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 6:55 PM

 These guys are conservative evangelicals.

You might check out other works from these gentelmen.

Dennis Kinlaw:

Charles Carter:

Kenneth Grider:

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 8:12 AM

Kenneth Morris:

 These guys are conservative evangelicals.

You might check out other works from these gentelmen.

Kenneth the problem is George does not consider conservative evangelicals as real Scholars. He favours Anchor Yale over NICOT/NICNT, thats the reason i wrote "Ah,  i know what you mean you mean scholars from the far left! Hmmm" No That said however he means no harm and he is just being George. You will soon get to know him.

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 8:46 AM

Ted Hans:

Kenneth Morris:

 These guys are conservative evangelicals.

You might check out other works from these gentelmen.

 

Kenneth the problem is George does not consider conservative evangelicals as real Scholars. He favours Anchor Yale over NICOT/NICNT, thats the reason i wrote "Ah,  i know what you mean you mean scholars from the far left! Hmmm" No That said however he means no halm and he is just being George. You will soon get to know him.

 

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Au contraire, Pierre.  There are indeed some conservative scholars.  I find, however, that most are intent on defending their theological position rather than interpreting what the text actually says and how it has come to be as it is.  It would probably surprise you how conservative I really am though some things sound rather unconservative.  I don't believe that conservatives need to abandon actual scholarship or to defend the traditional positions of conservatism when it becomes apparent that they are simply untenable.  Such is actually counterproductive since it gives scholars who may not be conservative the impression that conservatives are simply unable to face the facts.  The Catholic Church long held that the sun revolved around the earth yet even they have found it necessary to abandon that position -- did you know that there is an astronomical observatory in one of the papal residences, I think Castel Gandolfo?

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 9:10 AM

George Somsel:
It would probably surprise you how conservative I really am though some things sound rather unconservative.

That is a bit of a stretch to suggest you are a conservative George! Okay you mentioned "conservative" but not "conservative evangelical". I am sure no one who has read your view as i have on many occasion will arrive at the conclusion that you are a conservative. Peace to you 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 9:51 AM

Ted Hans:

George Somsel:
It would probably surprise you how conservative I really am though some things sound rather unconservative.

That is a bit of a stretch to suggest you are a conservative George! Okay you mentioned "conservative" but not "conservative evangelical". I am sure no one who has read your view as i have on many occasion will arrive at the conclusion that you are a conservative. Peace to you 

 

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If you think I am not conservative, you might try asking Niels Peter Lemche about that.  You are correct though that I am not a Conservative Evangelical scholar since Evangelical = Fundamentalist and I am no longer a Fundamentalist.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 12:29 PM

 

Whenever somebody asks me something like, "are you a liberal or conservative Christian?" I just say neither. Those are political labels. Christianity is about faith, devotion, introspection and reconciliation with God.  Whenever you see contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 12:49 PM

John McComb:

 

Whenever somebody asks me something like, "are you a liberal or conservative Christian?" I just say neither. Those are political labels. Christianity is about faith, devotion, introspection and reconciliation with God.  Whenever you see contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails.

John, I fully agree with you. For me however always is the issue: is this scholar believing there is God in Heaven? Is he believing this God can do supernatural things? If yes, I have no problem. I think however that a lot of scholars just have their own version of atheism or at least agnosticism in a Christian filosofical mantle.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 2:43 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

John, I fully agree with you. For me however always is the issue: is this scholar believing there is God in Heaven? Is he believing this God can do supernatural things? If yes, I have no problem. I think however that a lot of scholars just have their own version of atheism or at least agnosticism in a Christian filosofical mantle.

Uhhhhhh, yeah well, in this day and age there's so much flotsam and jetsam floating around out there, so many extreme views being professed from every politically labeled edge of the theological spectrum that I think it's best for one to just endeavor to keep his own head clear and not worry about whether or not this or that scholar believes in miracles (or whatever).

That sounds dangerous, I know. One does worry about teachings that reach those who are not blessed with great discernment but I've always felt that heresies are only dangerous to those who are inclined to use them as an excuse to wander off the path. Those people have bigger worries than contemporary sophistry or reactionary literalism.

Now you're going to tell me that the writers of the Epistles certainly didn't hold that view and I'll contradict myself by agreeing with you. However, that was a different world. That was a world of Christianity infiltrating a pagan world. Our world is one of neo paganism trying to take over the Christian world. Christians in our age are not the same as those confused new Christians of the first and second centuries. We know the doctrines. If we choose to be honest then we know the plain meaning of scripture. We need to simplify for the sake of those who become confused, not add to the confusion with ever more complex counterpoints.

All this coming from one who loves C.S. Lewis and whose favorite N.T. Wright book is the one where he has an argument with Marcus Borg. I do appreciate well thought out apologetics, solid counter arguments to new age ideas and so forth. Moreover I think they need to be spoken and that's the reason why God blesses people like Lewis in the way he does. I just think that the flotsam and jetsam is, in the end, a means to confuse and it does it's duty by causing us to turn reactionary and become obesssed with opposing it. Yeah, I think people should read Lewis but I think it's more important that they strive to stay in tune with that simple minded faith that allows them to believe for no good reason.

Yours in Christ

John

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 2:52 PM

John McComb:

 Whenever somebody asks me something like, "are you a liberal or conservative Christian?" I just say neither. Those are political labels. Christianity is about faith, devotion, introspection and reconciliation with God.  Whenever you see contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails.

George and i in contention please perish the thought! George i can see our exchange may give the wrong impression of "contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails".

This forum is quite different from the Newsgroup where our history began & i shall unfortunately be bowing out of our friendly and sometimes humourous exchange in this forum. I have always valued your opinion though i may disagree with them but in this forum i can see there might be more room for one's comments or intentions to be misunderstood.  Peace my friend

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 3:23 PM

John McComb:
Uhhhhhh, yeah well, in this day and age there's so much flotsam and jetsam floating around out there, so many extreme views being professed from every politically labeled edge of the theological spectrum that I think it's best for one to just endeavor to keep his own head clear and not worry about whether or not this or that scholar believes in miracles (or whatever).

Thank you John. I had to use the English - Czech dictionary to find what is flotsam and jetsam Smile but basically I agree with your main points. My English is not good enough to explain all the nuances, but for me the main concern in this post modern, and in our country also post-Christian age, is - to help people to see there is God of the Bible, there is His revealed will to us. There are His interventions in the history we can see. You know, I grew up in the atheistic communist Czechoslovakia. In the system, where nothing was as it was said: Lenin was actually Uljanov, Stalin was Saakashvilin or so, The Great October Socialist Revolution (as we often said) was neither Great, nor in October (7th of November) nor it was socialist and it was not a revolution but a Bolshevik coup. The Eastern Germany, driving plastic cars, were told their economy was blossoming, while Western Germany with their BMW etc. were just about to collapse.

In those peculiar times the only thing I was really proud of, was the truthfulness of our Christian message. Apologetic approach to the Bible and Christian message was real treasure.Very often I used the following scripture in my discussions with the university students:

 

     160     oThe sum of your word is ptruth,
and every one of your qrighteous rules endures forever.

The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001 (Ps 119:160). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Books of Josh McDowell etc. were great help to us. The truth had a greatest value to all those young people. Now, I know today we are in a different world. Many young people just say to me: "what are you talking about? The proof of the resurrection? Intelligent Design dilemma? I don't need that. I just believe in God and feel it is good and that's it. I am afraid that kind of Christianity is not standing on a sure ground. Whether we have truth, or not. If not, we have nothing to offer. I am ,open to all kind of new insights and uncovering of the roots of Christianity. Let us flash as much light as possible on all what matters. But I have seen enough God's interventions in our history and even our very lives that God is not for me just an abstract philosophical concept.
I am sorry for my broken English. God bless you.

Bohuslav

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 4:05 PM

Ted Hans:

George and i in contention please perish the thought! George i can see our exchange may give the wrong impression of "contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails".

My name is John, not George, and I wasn't talking about anybody in this forum nor was I refering to any particular discussion.

Yours in Christ

John

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 4:09 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

 

My English is not good enough to explain all the nuances, but for me the main concern in this post modern, and in our country also post-Christian age, is - to help people to see there is God of the Bible, there is His revealed will to us.

Your English sounds fine to me and I can't argue with a view like that. Simple, direct and honest. What else could you want? (what else do you need?)

Yours in Christ

John

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2009 4:47 PM

John McComb:

Ted Hans:

George and i in contention please perish the thought! George i can see our exchange may give the wrong impression of "contention within a Christian community that in any way resembles that sorry world of platitudes, lies and shallow ideologies you know you've found Christianity gone off the rails".

My name is John, not George, and I wasn't talking about anybody in this forum nor was I refering to any particular discussion.

Yours in Christ

John

Hi John,

Thanks for your post , my comments rightly were directed to George but i thought you misunderstood what was going on. Thanks for clearing up the confusion Regards

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 21 2009 2:23 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Stalin was Saakashvili or so,

Well, it was already 1 o'clock a.m. and apparently I was really tired. I named Stalin after todays Georgian president. Stalin of course was Jughashvili. I apologize to president Saakashvili.

Bohuslav

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