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BriM | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 19 2015 4:09 AM

Is this resource likely to be helpful?

https://www.logos.com/product/55102/organize-your-books

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 6:05 AM

BriM:

Is this resource likely to be helpful?

https://www.logos.com/product/55102/organize-your-books

If Morris Proctor has produced it I would say it's likely to be good, but I don't own it. I suspect you could learn as much by experimenting with tags and collections as you could in the time it would take to go through the material, but it probably depends on what sort of learner you are. For me, that sort of price is more than I'd be prepared to pay for such a resource. But then, I prefer to learn by experimentation. 


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Donn Arms | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 6:33 AM

What does it tell us about Logos software if it takes five hours of training to learn how to do something so basic?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 6:36 AM

Donn Arms:

What does it tell us about Logos software if it takes five hours of training to learn how to do something so basic?

Actually: nothing whatsoever.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 6:57 AM

Donn Arms:

What does it tell us about Logos software if it takes five hours of training to learn how to do something so basic?

it tells us that they have allowed Morris Proctor to make some money off of the software. I learned how to organize my books on a webinar Logos had a while ago and it didn't take 5 hours to get the idea of making collections and add to that tags. So, no, I highly discourag people from buying this product. Sorry but I think they just want your money with this one :(

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SteveHD | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 7:19 AM

Well of course they want our money. That is how a business functions.

I think they may be doing us a kind favor with this format. I noticed this is part 2 or the Camp Logos 2 course. That course is normally $225.00 for 13 hours or so (almost $20 an hour). To me 5 hours or so for $50.00 is a nice reduction for a smaller portion that may be of value to a wider audience (not sure why else they would make it available apart form the other half).

Keep in mind that it is possible that the refund policy applies to these as well so it might be best to just give a try.

I am glad you brought this to my attention.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 8:04 AM

If someone had offered to teach me how to organize my dead tree library twenty years ago for fifty bucks, I would've jumped on the opportunity. As it is, Logos has given me tools that are easy enough to use that I don't worry about it any more. I would say if you would like to improve your library's organization, this would be worthy of consideration.

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 8:50 AM

BriM:

Is this resource likely to be helpful?

https://www.logos.com/product/55102/organize-your-books

Let me point you to LearnLogos.com. For $15 more you can get EXTENSIVE training (35+ hours) on everything, including organizing your library and advanced techniques on Collections - and hundreds of other topics. It's been my experience with several Proctor product that they are very, very basic - geared for the beginner. As such, the average Logos user would likely be disappointed with these resources. John at LearnLogos delves MUCH deeper into topics, including sorting and filtering your library, and will equip you to be a power user of the Logos framework. The single best decision I have made regarding Logos (besides purchasing Logos itself) was to purchase John's videos. I can't tell you how many times I've leveraged what I learned from the training videos. 

Note: This has NOT been a paid endorsement. LOL. I just believe so highly in John and his products that I want others to experience the same ability to leverage Logos that I now have (though I am still learning!). 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 9:22 AM

Myke Harbuck:
It's been my experience with several Proctor product that they are very, very basic - geared for the beginner. As such, the average Logos user would likely be disappointed with these resources.

I doubt you have worked through a Camp Logos. I have never heard a participant say they got nothing out of it because it was too basic. Some of Proctor's products are for new users while others are advanced.

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 9:38 AM

Super.Tramp:

Myke Harbuck:
It's been my experience with several Proctor product that they are very, very basic - geared for the beginner. As such, the average Logos user would likely be disappointed with these resources.

I doubt you have worked through a Camp Logos. I have never hear a participant say they got nothing out of it because it was too basic.

And I doubt you have experienced the LearnLogos video training. 

But yes, I have purchased the Camp Logos 1 AND 2 for the last two releases, and YES, they are basic. But in order to judges that, you must have experienced BOTH Camp Logos and LearnLogos, which I have. Have you? Trust me, if you do, you'll see a difference in quality and quantity of material covered. For example, John takes his students through training not only on the framework, but also important resources that users should invest in to best leverage the framework.

Morris wastes so much time with elementary things that most anyone with a computer is going to know (although I do concede that he has to break things down to the least common denominator in the room - or, the least savvy person in the room). But its aggravating to have him over and over again tell you preliminary steps to perform a function. For example, after he has ALREADY introduced the Library and sorting and filtering within, there is no need to say "take your mouse, move up the book/library icon, left click, watch the Library panel appear, and then type in your resource name." I think it would have been better to simply say, "Now go to your library and search for a resource." This is just one example of why his camps, both one and two, are so limiting. They are too simple. If you want ADVANCED training, LearnLogos is the way to go, and for a fraction of the costs. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 10:23 AM

Myke Harbuck:

And I doubt you have experienced the LearnLogos video training. 

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Morris wastes so much time with elementary things that most anyone with a computer is going to know (although I do concede that he has to break things down to the least common denominator in the room - or, the least savvy person in the room). But its aggravating to have him over and over again tell you preliminary steps to perform a function. For example, after he has ALREADY introduced the Library and sorting and filtering within, there is no need to say "take your mouse, move up the book/library icon, left click, watch the Library panel appear, and then type in your resource name." I think it would have been better to simply say, "Now go to your library and search for a resource." This is just one example of why his camps, both one and two, are so limiting. They are too simple. If you want ADVANCED training, LearnLogos is the way to go, and for a fraction of the costs. 

Okay, let's not create another divide within the Logos community. Morris Proctor is very good at what he does and what some see as "over and over again" others see as essential to allow you to dip into the book where you need to rather than going through it sequentially. As for John, I don't see his work as more advanced but rather as more practical ... where Mo takes you through the possibilities, John takes you down a specific path. As for training on specific resources ... I see the purpose but don't feel the need. But don't forget Fr. Devin Roza who, like Mo, is somewhat official. And if you're smart and really want training, you'll be sure to pre-order his search videos.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 19 2015 10:43 AM

Myke Harbuck:
And I doubt you have experienced the LearnLogos video training.

I do have the core videos from LearnLogos and my father has all of John's videos and webinars so I do know the quality and depth of the teaching. I agree with you LearnLogos is a great value. I do not agree with you that Morris Proctor's  instruction is all beginner's level material.

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