Linux version of Logos Bible Software

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Paul Unger | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 9 2021 10:40 AM

Third time lucky...?

I got a version of Logos 9 installed. This time when asked whether I wanted to use the AppImage version of Wine--which I had chosen the previous two times--I selected "native Wine". The install proceeded without hiccup (I copied resources just before choosing to launch Logos for the first time). But I get a "Program Error" every time I start Logos, which the dialog says "can be caused by a problem in the program or a deficiency in Wine."

I'm suspecting a deficiency in Wine. If I select "Show Details", right at the bottom, in System Information, I find "Wine build: wine-5.0 (Ubuntu 5.0-3ubuntu1)".

Is there a way to update Wine and get this working?

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 10 2021 1:29 AM

I would suggest to install a more recent version of wine from winehq. I had great success with wine 6 through 6.5. There are some recent regressions we are hoping to get worked out before wine 7.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Paul Unger | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 10 2021 7:41 AM

Hi John,

What are the implications for other programs I run in Wine? Will they get 'tipsy' with an upgrade...?

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 10 2021 8:11 AM

There's always a chance things can break with an update. Especially the dev branch. Wine 6.0.1 should be a safe bet. Wine is of its nature unsupported by the software vendors so one has to accept a level of unpredictability that said in my experience it mostly works like magic;)

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 9:19 AM

I tried a couple of times to using the fast appimage script and the appimage Wine bottle and everything worked until I got to the Logos login screen. I entered my credentials (yes, the password is correct). I get an unable to connect box asking me to try again, and the box has an option to change proxy setting. What to do?

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 28 2021 8:20 AM

First time trying with the fast install script. I was able to get it to install and log in. But when it starts loading and trying to download resources, it just crashes with .Net error.

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 28 2021 2:29 PM

I was on Wine 5.0 and updating to 6.0 fixed the issue. It's slow but at least it works.

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Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 28 2021 2:36 PM

Wine 6.8 is the last working version.

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Elliot Swaim | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 5 2021 8:12 PM

Daniel Ribeiro da Silva:

Elliot Swaim:

I tried installing Logos on Manjaro using the Ferrion11 Installer.  At first, there were two packages that I needed to install (xorg-xwd and cabextract).  After that, the installation seemed to go just fine until at the very end, I got an error message saying,

"The Microsoft .NET Framework version 4.7.2 is not installed on this computer.  Please run LogosSetup.exe to install the .NET Framework."

I had similar luck with Pop! OS (I'll admit I've been doing a little distro hopping).  How can I fix this error?

Please re-try using the script fast_install_AppImageWine_and_Logos.sh.

I just tried it with the fast install, and it almost worked.  I got to the screen after signing in where you download everything, and I chose to do the quick install to download some of my resources, and I got the following error:

"The program Logos.exe has encountered a serious problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience.  This can be caused by a problem in the program or a deficiency in Wine.  You may want to check the Application Database for tips about running this application."

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Richard Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 14 2021 3:35 PM

Thanks for all the great work that has been done to make Logos work under Linux.

I have been trying to get it working on my computer for the past few days, I started with ArchLinux using the Ferion scripts, got it to work, but very slow... click the menu button and wait 20-30 sec for a response, and very heavy CPU usage.  I figured since Arch is not exactly the "norm" I did a quick install of Kubuntu and tried again.

Tried the latest Wasta script, but it just crashes as soon as Logos starts.  Wiped, and tried again with Ferion, same thing.

Its a fresh install, with mininal extras, so I think I might be missing some libs, is there a list of things I should have on here for Logos to run? or does the script ensure all the dependancies are met?

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Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 15 2021 6:29 AM

The script will ensure its dependencies are met. What version of Wine are you using?

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Richard Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 15 2021 5:24 PM

I have given up on Kubuntu and switched back to ArchLinux.  The fast install script completed successfully, and I can get into Logos now.  It is currently indexing my library, but it is *extremely* slow.  Wine version 6.12-1 at the moment, it is the standard Wine package in the default repo, not the staging or dev version.

This system is an AMD A10 8700b CPU, 16gb RAM, 256gb NVME.  I expected some loss of performance, but I am about 3 hours into the index and showing 2% done. Under windows my library normally takes about 20 minutes to index.

None of the CPU cores are pinned to 100% usage.  Normally my disk is heavily loaded during the index, but dstat shows very minimal usage so I suspect there is something happening in the translation there.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 12:59 AM

6.12 is the dev branch. Unfortunately there is a serious regression in 6.9 which is yet to be fixed. It causes a crash when selecting a book in the library view. (https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51215) 6.0.1 is stable and probably a good choice. It's what I use at the moment for my 'stable' setup for Bible study.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 2:49 AM

Time for another progress update:

Logos is working well on linuxBig Smile and a growing number of us (very hard to know how many but hundreds we think) are using it regularly for Bible study. We have a Silver rating on winehq because there are some things which still don't work.

'Howto' notes are here - 3 main methods: ferion script gui installer (thanks Daniel), wasta packages (thanks Rik) and manual installation.

There are only a few ongoing frustrations with fairly easy work arounds (fixing these would get us to gold or platinum):

  • Media playback (use the webapp) - this is being worked on and progressing well. I tentatively hope wine 7 will bring media playback.
  • Printing (export to file and print from another app) - not aware of any work on this
  • Read aloud (use the webapp and a browser plugin) - work on this is slow

How you can help:

  • Join the telegram channel t.me/linux_logos - support new users.
  • Testing new wine-devel versions especially if you have the skills to do a git bisect and hunt down changes causing bugs.
  • Pray for the effort. (It is helping brothers and sisters who live under persecution.)
  • Voting brings developer attention. Please log into the appdb at winehq and vote for Logos Bible Software

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Richard Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 4:02 AM

Hello John,

Thanks for the info, that is very helpful.  If 6.9 is not out of the box, is 6.8 the recommended version? or is there one which typically yields the best results?  

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 4:36 AM

I use wine 6.0.1 with the latest Logos for my daily study. I'm confident to recommend that. There may be some speed issues with 6.8. From 6 onwards progress is being made with video but is incomplete so there is no benefit I'm aware of to going higher than that for normal use.

You can fairly quickly swap versions and specify them with apt. E.g. for ubuntu focal obviously the LTS release of ubuntu will have more versions in the repos. More recent releases will have gaps between stable and dev will only include newer versions than the distro release.

sudo apt install winehq-devel=6.8~focal-1 wine-devel=6.8~focal-1 wine-devel-i386=6.8~focal-1 wine-devel-amd64=6.8~focal-1

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Richard Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 4:59 AM

Thanks, I will have to see if I can hunt down an install package for 6.01.  I am on Arch at the moment, if you happen to have a 6.01 link handy, otherwise its off to google one up.

I will be more than happy to help with testing, but I have another week of seminary to go before I have free time =)

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Paul Unger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 8:01 AM

With this recent forum activity, I decided to give Logos9 on Wine another try since my last attempt a month ago. I got close back then, but not all the way... This time, when I started Logos9, I got a "Wine" message saying that something was missing from Wine, would I like to download and install it (something Gecko?). I clicked "Yes". When it completed, I got the same message again--and again for something Gecko. I thought, "Great, I'm in a loop"; but the second time it worked and Logos9 started! :-) It downloaded 2 GB of program updates, and spent a lot of time 'preparing library', but none of my resources are available... Any hints on how to get my resources back? I looked through the GitHub - ferion11 page, but didn't find anything... I have over 20 GB backed up in Data, Documents, and Users folders. Thanks for any help!

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Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 8:07 AM

Hey Paul,

I have 34G of library data, so the amount of data should not be the problem. What distro are you on? What version of Wine are you using? Did you install through Ferion11's script or did you do things manually and try to replicate steps of Ferion11's afterwards?

I am using Manjaro with Wine 6.8 and my install works cleanly every time. Any version between 6 and 6.8 is currently viable, to our knowledge. 6.9+ will crash when you attempt to open the library panel. Further, your resources may not be available if they are not indexed at least somewhat. (My resources appear empty when I don't let it index for a little bit.)

As of Wine 6.8, the indexing percentage should be reported. I might also recommend downloading all of your resources rather than a smaller portion of them. I did bump into an issue when I did things that way, but even then that issue eventually smoothed itself out after some indexing.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 16 2021 8:25 AM

This is hard to assist with without a lot more info. Distro version, wine version, Logos version. Sounds like you upgraded rather than installed?

Paul Unger:
I got a "Wine" message saying that something was missing from Wine, would I like to download and install it (something Gecko?).

Gecko is not used by Logos so you can click 'No'.

Paul Unger:
It downloaded 2 GB of program updates, and spent a lot of time 'preparing library', but none of my resources are available...

Restore them from backup or wait for them to download again.

We have reports of updates causing data to be downloaded again and I've experienced it but not every time which makes it very difficult to test. I haven't seen it for a while. As Logos for Linux is not officially supported, I recommend doing backups before every update.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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