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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 12:15 PM

Myke Harbuck:
even though I would not think there are that many Linux users, LOL. I mean, 279,000 ??? WOW! Crazy! 

Concur crazy plus this thread in the Suggestions forum has the most replies, which is more than the next two suggestion threads combined:

Thankful for Faithlife development of Android mobile apps.

Mark:
There must be more users than one has been told.  The Linux system is excellent, fast, and getting much more popular. It can be a clear replacement for Windows.  It is much better.  There are only two reasons why I have not completely switched.  One is the concern I have for protecting my children (parental filters) and the other is my investment in Logos Bible Software. 

Internet search for linux parental control finds many results, including Ubuntu community => https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls

Apple makes significant contributions to many open source projects => https://www.apple.com/opensource/ OS X (mac OS) System preferences has Parental Controls plus Logos Bible Software.

Thankful for Distrowatch => http://distrowatch.com/ that includes current Top Ten distributions => http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major while tracking hundreds. Top Ten list of major distributions has had several changes since this thread began in 2009.

Anticipate open source distributions and Android fragmentation => http://opensignal.com/reports/2015/08/android-fragmentation/ having similar development and support issues for a Logos Bible Software application. Albeit Android has one open source SDK's per version. Yet a number of open source projects have graphical applications running on a variety of open source distributions.

Visual depiction of Android fragmentation in 2014 shows huge variety of hardware and OS variant combinations being used:

image linked from Gizmodo article => http://gizmodo.com/what-android-fragmentation-looks-like-its-growing-1624662310

Firefox installation on Linux => https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Installing+Firefox+on+Linux includes:

Firefox:

Many Linux distributions include Firefox by default, and most have a package management system that lets you easily install Firefox.

Building and distributing package varieties would be similar to Android distribution. Caveat: open source distributions do not have the equivalent of Google Play and Amazon Store so would have to publish to more repositories OR choose a subset of open source distributions for development and support (e.g. Oracle database certification on a smallish number of enterprise server distributions).

James:

Has anyone tried using Logos in ReactOS? I know React is not quite stable yet but it might be an option going forward. 

Downloading React has a "Did you know?"

ReactOS:

If just 1 in 10 people downloading ReactOS would donate less than the cost of a beer each month, we'd be able to hire 10 full time developers.

 

ReactOS has never had the funds to hire a full time dev, but imagine how much quicker we could reach beta if we did. Please, be that 1 in 10 and help us boost development.

In contrast to ReactOS, wikipedia article about Ubuntu => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29 mentions initial funding of $ 10 million.

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sjm | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 2:26 PM

Realizing that this thread is in its 8th year now, I have little hope in seeing anything from Logos on this.  While I was a paying customer before, I've given up on ever seeing something for the Linux users. 

For those of you that are willing to help write a Logos for Linux as has been suggested here, I would point you over to http://xiphos.org/ and suggest you put your efforts in there.  And put all the lobbying that is going on here into getting the publishers to release works for The Sword Project.  That seems the main hurdle right now that is keeping people locked into other platforms.  Publishers need to understand that Linux is for serious users that are willing to pay for their works and not just for those that want everything for free.  That, along with the understanding that there are protections that can be put on their works.  The lobbying needs to be refocused to pressure the publishers to allow their works to be released in this manner.

My 2¢

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 5:34 PM

Working on Wine to get Logos Bible Software to run in Wine in Linux would probably be the shortest path.  If someone got LBS to work on Wine and set it up in PlayOnLinux, it would automatically do the setup.  But, to get it to work would probably take some Wine development. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 5:42 PM

Perry Webb:
Working on Wine to get Logos Bible Software to run in Wine in Linux would probably be the shortest path. 

Wine currently is not viable because the open source community does not have an alternative for Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) so Logos 4, 5, 6, 7 would not be usable due to lack of WPF graphical layer.

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Ezra Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 11:26 PM

Anyone use Virtualbox lately?  It runs things at normal or faster than normal speeds for me.  Of course, I use the official Nvidia drivers and such.

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Ezra Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 11:28 PM

DansGuardian is a great idea, but it's a pain in the butt to get going because of a really old package or sources are needed.  I can't remember, but for some of us, when it comes down to having things our way or being faithful to God and my wife, I would rather stay faithful.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 5:12 PM

Here's my son's response.  He is an avid Linux user who is working on a Ph.D. in computer engineering.

Here is a list of what is provided by that library some of which would need to be implemented in wine for Logos to work: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753307(v=vs.110).aspx

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 5:47 PM

Perry Webb:

Here's my son's response.  He is an avid Linux user who is working on a Ph.D. in computer engineering.

Here is a list of what is provided by that library some of which would need to be implemented in wine for Logos to work: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753307(v=vs.110).aspx

Mono is an open source port of .NET whose parent company, Xamarin, has been acquired by Microsoft.

Mono's WPF information => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/

Blog => https://www.quora.com/Now-that-Microsoft-will-support-NET-on-Linux-and-OS-X-will-WPF-applications-soon-run-on-all-desktop-platforms

points out that porting WPF from Windows to open source is impractical.

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Jesse Steele | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 9:58 PM

Given the topic of this thread (whether to have Logos for Linux, not whether to have users using Linux)... I deduct this as your recommendation of Logos 3 for Wine.

And, frankly, I agree with you and Perry Web: Given all the evidence seen here, getting Logos 3 (or Libronix or whateveritscalled) in Wine's Play on Linux library would probably be the most efficient way to keep Logos solvent.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 12:07 AM

Logos UserVoice suggestion with 388 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun was declined by Faithlife on 6 Sep

Faithlife Development:

We will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux.

https://app.logos.com continues to improve and will be our solution for any platform that supports a web browser.

Hence, offline use on an open source distribution currently needs a Virtual Machine running a legal copy of Windows (for virtual use) or OS X (running on Apple hardware) to run desktop application. When Apple refreshes Mac hardware, anticipating prices for older refurbished models to drop a bit.

Jesse Steele:
Given all the evidence seen here, getting Logos 3 (or Libronix or whateveritscalled) in Wine's Play on Linux library ...

Wine HQ has Libronix 3 rating => https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=8802 that was last updated in Aug 2013 (garbage).

Codeweavers forum => https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/forum/logos-bible-software-x?msg=36063 has similar Libronix 3 discussion in 2009

Libronix 3 resource compatibility => https://www.logos.com/support/mac/L3/resource_compatibility notes any resource created after 31 Mar 2012 cannot be used in Libronix 3 due to resource file format change.

One idea is improving Darling HQ => https://www.darlinghq.org/source-code/ to enable graphical OS X (mac OS) 64 bit application to run on other open source distributions with a GPL kernel. Technically may be easier to fork Darling for a BSD kernel that has similar system call values as Darwin in OS X (mac OS), which would allow community focus on creating a Cocoa clone using Qt, which could be integrated into Darling after BSD System Call reverse engineering is done. Caveat:open source community does not have many OS X (mac OS) applications that are not already available so motivation is lacking to cleanly clone Apple's graphical user interface.

Darling HQ mentions Rudix: unix packages for OS X (mac OS) => http://rudix.org/

Found a 2007 discussion about cloning Apple's Cocoa and Carbon => https://apple.slashdot.org/story/07/07/30/0230204/Run-Mac-OS-X-Apps-On-Linux and also found Mac-on-Linux with latest news in 2007 => http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/news.php

For OS X (mac OS), Platypus looks useful for Python and PERL scripts => https://github.com/sveinbjornt/Platypus

Apple's EULA for Mac OS X is similar to Faithlife => https://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm

Mac OS X EULA:

This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

By the way, nasty rootkit targets Linux on ARM and x86 =>  http://www.infoworld.com/article/3116908/malware/stealthy-tricky-to-remove-rootkit-targets-linux-systems-on-arm-and-x86.html

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aaylnx | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 8:10 AM

Keep Smiling,

Is there any reason why you mention a new Linux exploit and not new exploits for Mac and Windows?  The Trend Micro release makes it clear that for this exploit to work an attacker already needs local access to the machine (i.e. the exploit cannot be triggered remotely, but only if the attacker has already broken into the machine and obtained user access).  It doesn't matter what OS you run - if an attacker has already compromised your machine and gained local access, you're pretty much sunk.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 8 2016 12:30 AM

aaylnx:
Is there any reason why you mention a new Linux exploit and not new exploits for Mac and Windows?

Mentioned new nasty Linux exploit in a thread about Logos on Linux, which has many readers (thread views). New nasty exploits for Mac and Windows were not published concurrently.

Noticed security article while researching open source options; could have included Apple emergency update on 2 Sep 2016 => http://www.infoworld.com/article/3116064/macs/apple-quashes-3-zero-days-with-emergency-mac-update.html about 3 zero day exploits being quashed so recommend updating OS X (mac OS).

Likewise could have mentioned 30 Aug 2016 article about ransomware attack on Linux web servers => http://www.infoworld.com/article/3113816/security/new-ransomware-threat-deletes-files-from-linux-web-servers.html

Flip side is Windows 10 being harder to hack (15 Aug 2016) => http://www.infoworld.com/article/3107132/security/respect-windows-10-security-impresses-hackers.html Albeit Microsoft includes Key Logger in Windows 10 along with altering default dialog behavior for Windows 10 "Free" Update in July 2016 (clicking 'X' to close dialog box was treated as OK to upgrade).

Trend Micro blog => http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/ linked from InfoWorld Security article verified three hardware variants: x86, x86-64, and ARM can be exploited. Umbreon user mode (ring 3) execution can hide itself from strace detection on Linux (nasty and sophisticated). Irony is Umbreon author(s) could be helpful for improving Darling.HQ.

InfoWorld article also links to 1 Sep 2016 article => https://blog.sucuri.net/2016/09/iot-home-router-botnet-leveraged-in-large-ddos-attack.html about a distributed attack using Internet connected cameras and network routers running Linux.

As operating systems gain popularity, so do nasty exploits. Apple and Microsoft include anti-malware in their operating systems along with frequent updates. Open source distributions also have security updates for maintained versions.  Keeping system(s) up to date is prudent.

aaylnx:
The Trend Micro release makes it clear that for this exploit to work an attacker already needs local access to the machine (i.e. the exploit cannot be triggered remotely, but only if the attacker has already broken into the machine and obtained user access).

Risk is using a client web browser on Linux since the Umbreon root kit could be incorporated into a malicious web site or ad download for local execution and exploit (same delivery technique is a risk on Mac and Windows too).. Another risk is an email client that allows something to be executed (similar to Outlook preview on Windows that has been exploited).

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aaylnx | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 8 2016 7:53 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Risk is using a client web browser on Linux since the Umbreon root kit could be incorporated into a malicious web site or ad download for local execution and exploit (same delivery technique is a risk on Mac and Windows too).. Another risk is an email client that allows something to be executed (similar to Outlook preview on Windows that has been exploited).

True, but this is also a risk for every OS that is not kept up to date and where basic security practices are not followed.  Nothing unique about Linux here.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 8 2016 7:03 PM

Thread => Running Logos Android on a Chromebook

Chromium => http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os

Running Chromium on KVM => https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/how-tos-and-troubleshooting/running-chromeos-image-under-virtual-machines

Caveat: Android mobile app has less capabilities than desktop application.

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aaylnx | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 9 2016 7:20 AM

I'm not trying to be nit picky here, but why would running Chromium OS under KVM be an advantage to anyone?  Chromium is not Android.  Chromium is the open source development version of Google's Chrome OS.  By itself, Chromium OS can only access Logos through a browser which can be done natively on any OS.  If one wants an Android desktop, then their best bet is Remix OS.  However, I wouldn't go that way either, because Google has announced that soon people will be able to run Android apps natively on their Chromebooks.  This means that soon Logos users will be able to run the Android client for Logos natively under ChromeOS.

I have installed Crouton on my Chromebook, which allows me to run Linux apps w/in ChromeOS.  Interestingly, I have run Bibleworks directly on a Chromebook, because Bibleworks works flawlessly under WINE.  When I want to access Logos on my Chromebook, I open up Crouton, run Remmina (a multi-protocol remote desktop client for Linux) and connect to my main Windows box using Windows Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP).  It actually works quite well.  Once Android apps start running on Chrome OS natively, you won't need Crouton, because there are Remote Desktop clients available for Android.

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Colby E. Kinser | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 9 2016 7:49 AM

I have the Android app running on ChromeOS - it works pretty well. The layer in the middle consumes a fair bit of resource, but it works. The app itself has several limitations, but at least I can access my notes.

The web app has a lot of promise, and would put to bet the Linux question for me when it's full function. However, it's an ongoing expense. Since it's cross-platform, it solves a lot of problems and is a smarter investment for Faithlife. It already has a few features that the Android app does not (but it's own set of limitations).

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Michael Lindner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 12:02 PM

FYI, recent WINEs (at least on mac) seem to have gotten much better (at least for the apps I run on it). It might be worth giving Logo on WINE another try. I currently run on a mac, but it is a very old one, and when it goes, I will be switching to Linux, if I can. I really don't want to support either Microsoft or Apple for their anti-Christian positions.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 1:50 PM

Michael Lindner:
FYI, recent WINEs (at least on mac) seem to have gotten much better (at least for the apps I run on it). It might be worth giving Logo on WINE another try.

WINE and commercial CrossOver (by Code Weavers) still are not viable for Logos 4 and newer. Open source community does not have Windows graphical alternative for Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF). Hence, WINE lacks software support to show Logos user interface. Mono's WPF information in 2017 => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/

Thankful for Faithlife developing web sites https://app.logos.com and https://app.verbum.com that can be used on a variety of open source distributions. Browser needs WebGL. Now membership OR Cloud subscription is needed to use Web App(s).

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Michael Hart | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 22 2017 11:54 AM

Logos Linux Please!

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Phil | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 5 2018 10:27 AM

Solution (sort of)... This assumes you have some I.T. knowledge, but you're running Linux, so you're probably good to go.

I tried to find a home-based solution to this, and basically came up with the same dead-ends...However, I found an option through cloud hosting, which seems to be even better, allowing more flexibility.

First of all, let me preface this by saying that Logos has their own related solution in development through their new web-based application, at app.logos.com... I would rather pay for Logos Cloud to do this, versus paying a secular cloud host... but the costs for the cloud host appears to be quite minimal, after paying Logos for the LBS library licensing.

I have now completely installed the Logos Bible Software application, "downloaded" the library material I am paying for, and have begun to learn to use Logos 7...and as long as I have a stable connection at whatever location I am using, I can read til my eyes go blank (or the boss calls) using my Linux box, or another Mac or Windows PC. All of that took me less than an hour, thanks to Amazon, Microsoft, and of course Logos.

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